Decky Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2132870,00.html We are crying out for a left back so IMO we need to make a bid now for Baines, i will be furious if the Mackems get him and we are stuck with Babayaro all season. What happens when Baba is injured which he will be every other week? Ramage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShearMagic Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I'd be starting Ramage in front of Baba anyway. But if the mackems get him and we miss out, I'll be very pissed off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I'd be starting Ramage in front of Baba anyway. But if the mackems get him and we miss out, I'll be very pissed off Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I'd be starting Ramage in front of Baba anyway. But if the mackems get him and we miss out, I'll be very pissed off He won't go there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 He's really not as good as people are making out, fairly poor positionally imo. No big loss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 If we wanted him we would have bid for him a long time ago, Allardyce has been very open about us needing a left back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Anyone who'd sooner have Ramage ahead of a fully-fit Babayaro want their f*cking head examined. For all of Babayaro's faults, he's still 100x better than that b*llock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 If we wanted him we would have bid for him a long time ago, Allardyce has been very open about us needing a left back. Bad management then if that's the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I doubt Wigan would sell to us anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I doubt Wigan would sell to us anyway. Why wouldnt they? they just agreed a fee for him to go to their relegation rivals. Also: http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1077070,00.html I hope that isnt Sams plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpinho Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 What on earth is going on with our transfers??? A blind monkey could have told you we needed a left back 6 months ago!! Why have we still not got one? We are not going to be able to magically create a left back out of thin air and so when one is on the market why are we letting the mackems have him? Im not saying he is the ideal player but we are getting towards a position of utter desperation in the full back areas. It doesnt matter one bit if you have good centre backs if the full backs are as retarded as babayaro and carr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 I doubt Wigan would sell to us anyway. Why wouldnt they? they just agreed a fee for him to go to their relegation rivals. Also: http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1077070,00.html I hope that isnt Sams plan. Good as a back up left back. But he isn't a specialist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Got a feeling that 7m we bid was for Baines but Whelan wouldnt allow it. Only a gut feeling of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Anyone who'd sooner have Ramage ahead of a fully-fit Babayaro want their f*cking head examined. For all of Babayaro's faults, he's still 100x better than that b*llock. I agree, Ramage doesn't have any outstanding abilities as a footballer. I see Babayaro as a poor to average Premiership full back with serious injury problems, whereas I don't even see Ramage as a Premiership quality player at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guinness Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 As I've said before I'll begin to worry if we don't bid for Baines and then nothing materialises shortly. I really don't like the thought of starting the season without a left back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Anyone who'd sooner have Ramage ahead of a fully-fit Babayaro want their f*cking head examined. For all of Babayaro's faults, he's still 100x better than that b*llock. I agree, Ramage doesn't have any outstanding abilities as a footballer. I see Babayaro as a poor to average Premiership full back with serious injury problems, whereas I don't even see Ramage as a Premiership quality player at all. A more polite way of putting it I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevfa Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Edgar>Baba>Ramage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Based on 4-5 games? Give over man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 N'Zogbia did start out his career at left-back... As for Baines, just because he's better than what we have and we all rate and would like to see him here, that doesn't mean the manager ought to be signing players he clearly doesn't rate, thinks is too expensive or isn't the kind of left-back he wants at the club, and we have to accept that and trust his judgment. We can't sign every player that comes available and the manager shouldn't get flack for NOT signing Baines, he should get flack for not signing a left-back if come the end of the transfer window we haven't signed one, but there is plenty of time left to go. Reading between the lines and listening to those who think they are in the know it seems we've had a bid accepted for Heinze, but the player doesn't really want to join us, and we've giving him a cut-off point which may or may not have passed yet, who knows. Looking at some of the full-backs we've been linked with it seems the manager is looking at versatile players FIRST who can play in the centre too (Heinze, Beye) which is understandable given the number of players he will be looking at signing and the uncertainty over what kind of funds he has available for now. I fully expect us to sign at least 3 players, two defenders and a midfielder, before the transfer window closes. Who - remains to be seen, but I'd guess whoever we sign will be versatile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SwissMagpie Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 we have slim of hope.Some club made a bid for Taiwo according to French Media Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 N'Zogbia did start out his career at left-back... As for Baines, just because he's better than what we have and we all rate and would like to see him here, that doesn't mean the manager ought to be signing players he clearly doesn't rate, thinks is too expensive or isn't the kind of left-back he wants at the club, and we have to accept that and trust his judgment. We can't sign every player that comes available and the manager shouldn't get flack for NOT signing Baines, he should get flack for not signing a left-back if come the end of the transfer window we haven't signed one, but there is plenty of time left to go. Reading between the lines and listening to those who think they are in the know it seems we've had a bid accepted for Heinze, but the player doesn't really want to join us, and we've giving him a cut-off point which may or may not have passed yet, who knows. Looking at some of the full-backs we've been linked with it seems the manager is looking at versatile players FIRST who can play in the centre too (Heinze, Beye) which is understandable given the number of players he will be looking at signing and the uncertainty over what kind of funds he has available for now. I fully expect us to sign at least 3 players, two defenders and a midfielder, before the transfer window closes. Who - remains to be seen, but I'd guess whoever we sign will be versatile. Yeah, I agree with that. The first paragraph in particular. It's ok signing someone on the cheap if they're better than what we have as they will provide decent cover should a better player then be signed but getting in a full-back just because he is better than what we have and is available at the sort of price being quoted for Baines is not the way forward. I think he's a good player though but it's more important for Allardyce to the players he wants. And £6million has been quoted for Heinze too, and I know who I'd rather have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 We can't sign every player that comes available and the manager shouldn't get flack for NOT signing Baines, he should get flack for not signing a left-back if come the end of the transfer window we haven't signed one, but there is plenty of time left to go. - If the left-back we sign isn't as good as Baines, and Allardyce didn't want Baines, then yes he deserves criticism for it. Especially if he pays a similar amount for someone like Shorey and he does turn out to be a one-hit wonder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Why wouldnt they? they just agreed a fee for him to go to their relegation rivals. Also: http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1077070,00.html I hope that isnt Sams plan. A complete guess is the fact that Ashley blew the whistle regarding price fixing of football shirts and the hefty fine that followed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 N'Zogbia did start out his career at left-back... As for Baines, just because he's better than what we have and we all rate and would like to see him here, that doesn't mean the manager ought to be signing players he clearly doesn't rate, thinks is too expensive or isn't the kind of left-back he wants at the club, and we have to accept that and trust his judgment. We can't sign every player that comes available and the manager shouldn't get flack for NOT signing Baines, he should get flack for not signing a left-back if come the end of the transfer window we haven't signed one, but there is plenty of time left to go. Reading between the lines and listening to those who think they are in the know it seems we've had a bid accepted for Heinze, but the player doesn't really want to join us, and we've giving him a cut-off point which may or may not have passed yet, who knows. Looking at some of the full-backs we've been linked with it seems the manager is looking at versatile players FIRST who can play in the centre too (Heinze, Beye) which is understandable given the number of players he will be looking at signing and the uncertainty over what kind of funds he has available for now. I fully expect us to sign at least 3 players, two defenders and a midfielder, before the transfer window closes. Who - remains to be seen, but I'd guess whoever we sign will be versatile. Yeah, I agree with that. The first paragraph in particular. It's ok signing someone on the cheap if they're better than what we have as they will provide decent cover should a better player then be signed but getting in a full-back just because he is better than what we have and is available at the sort of price being quoted for Baines is not the way forward. I think he's a good player though but it's more important for Allardyce to the players he wants. And £6million has been quoted for Heinze too, and I know who I'd rather have. Same here, Heinze is one of the best left-backs in Europe on his day and equally adept in central defence. Although Baines would probably prove a more better long-term investment. I rate both highly but short-term, Heinze is sheer class on his day and you can't beat that. With Baines, as good as he is already, there is an awful lot for him still to do to become a top left-back in the class of Heinze and Bridge et al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Get Heinze now and Bridge can join us in January when he's fit and we're in the top 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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