Skirge Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 The only reason we are debating the Liverpool move is because the main rumour now involves them, I am sure come the opening on the transfer window he will have lots of options. I bet he would be happy to stay if he thought for one second that the clubs ambitions matched his. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 If our ambitions matched his we would have offered him a new contract after his excellent season in the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Colocho: Silly money as in salary. That's the only reason why I can see Enrique wanting a move to Lpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 If our ambitions matched his we would have offered him a new contract after his excellent season in the Championship. Why?It was the first season he really excelled since he came to the club..And he was not good in the relegation season..After all, nobody tried to buy him when we went down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Colocho: Silly money as in salary. That's the only reason why I can see Enrique wanting a move to Lpool. If our ambitions matched his we would have offered him a new contract after his excellent season in the Championship. Why?It was the first season he really excelled since he came to the club..And he was not good in the relegation season..After all, nobody tried to buy him when we went down. Again, just how much is silly money in modern football? When at the top of his game and just as effective as say Ashley Cole, or Evra, he is 'worth' £70,000 a week wages, in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 If our ambitions matched his we would have offered him a new contract after his excellent season in the Championship. Why?It was the first season he really excelled since he came to the club..And he was not good in the relegation season..After all, nobody tried to buy him when we went down. Because it would make sense to tie down a player that was way better than everyone else in the championship and who was obviously going to do the business in the premiership. .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Colocho: Silly money as in salary. That's the only reason why I can see Enrique wanting a move to Lpool. If our ambitions matched his we would have offered him a new contract after his excellent season in the Championship. Why?It was the first season he really excelled since he came to the club..And he was not good in the relegation season..After all, nobody tried to buy him when we went down. Again, just how much is silly money in modern football? When at the top of his game and just as effective as say Ashley Cole, or Evra, he is 'worth' £70,000 a week wages, in my opinion. What he's 'worth' isn't really the point though, is it? He might be too expensive for us to pay him what he could earn elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 If we could get a rid of a few players like Smith and Xisco, we'd free up the funds to offer him the competitive contract he deserves. Or what about that £30 million we apparently received up front for Carroll? I thought some of that would be going towards signing on fees and new contracts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I love how people just assume he would sign if we give him x amount, nobody knows what he wants ffs, what if its not about the money? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Or what about that £30 million we apparently received up front for Carroll? I thought some of that would be going towards signing on fees and new contracts? Who said that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Or what about that £30 million we apparently received up front for Carroll? I thought some of that would be going towards signing on fees and new contracts? Who said that? Pards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Well it all comes off the bottom line anyway, obviously contracts and signing-on fees have to be considered alongside other spending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 If we could get a rid of a few players like Smith and Xisco, we'd free up the funds to offer him the competitive contract he deserves. Or what about that £30 million we apparently received up front for Carroll? I thought some of that would be going towards signing on fees and new contracts? I'm not arguing about the fact of whether we can offer him what he might want. Firstly, nobody knows what that amount is, and secondly nobody knows how it compares with the club's wage policy. Thirdly, nobody knows whether the wage policy is reasonable or not! Fourthly, nobody knows whether it's about money or if any amount would convince him to sign. I hope we keep him, but I don't know anywhere near enough to judge whether the club has managed this correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I love how people just assume he would sign if we give him x amount, nobody knows what he wants ffs, what if its not about the money? What else could it be about, in your opinion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Or what about that £30 million we apparently received up front for Carroll? I thought some of that would be going towards signing on fees and new contracts? Who said that? Pards. Thanks. I'm not convinced it would be good policy to make a left back one of the clubs highest earners. It would only serve as a precedent for all new signings or players nearing the end of their deals. I don't think the problem is the wages, I just think he wants to be challenging higher up the table. He said it himself he expected to be challenging for CL places when he signed, and one of the players, maybe Enrique, said it was the target at the beginning of this season to qualify for the Europa League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I love how people just assume he would sign if we give him x amount, nobody knows what he wants ffs, what if its not about the money? What else could it be about, in your opinion? A said earlier in the thread I think a major concern, if not the biggest concern if I were Enrique at this stage of his career, is not even getting a hint of recognition by the selectors for the Spaninsh national team. There is clearly an implied bias towards players playing in Spain or a few big name clubs in England including Liverpool. I fear the same concerns will be rearing up for Colo sooner rather than later too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 If a wage increase is really the only reason you can think of for a player wanting to leave for Liverpool then you're living in a fantasy land. Him giving interviews about broken promises immediately after Carroll left tells you pretty much everything you need to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I love how people just assume he would sign if we give him x amount, nobody knows what he wants ffs, what if its not about the money? What else could it be about, in your opinion? Footballers all over the world change clubs for various reasons, not always money related. I dont know his reason but it could be anything from change of scenery, ambition to win things, international recognition etc. To simply say we can buy his future is naive when nobody actually knows. Of course the easiest way to use this situation against Ashley is to shout 'money' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Colocho: Silly money as in salary. That's the only reason why I can see Enrique wanting a move to Lpool. If our ambitions matched his we would have offered him a new contract after his excellent season in the Championship. Why?It was the first season he really excelled since he came to the club..And he was not good in the relegation season..After all, nobody tried to buy him when we went down. Again, just how much is silly money in modern football? When at the top of his game and just as effective as say Ashley Cole, or Evra, he is 'worth' £70,000 a week wages, in my opinion. Enrique is good defensively, but he not nearly as contributing in the offensive play compared to Cole, Evra and Baines. Colinmk: Still some doubted ( I was one of them) that Enrique could cope with Pl-football. There's plenty of players that stand out in Championsip but who're utter rubbish in PL. It's not sound to give a man a new £60 000 a year contract based on POTENTIAL pl-ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I personally think that Pardew was probably given the option of either securing Tiote or Enrique on a long term deal, but couldn't have both. I could be completely wrong, but if the club valued Jose so much, we would have made him an offer to match his ability and performances this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I personally think that Pardew was probably given the option of either securing Tiote or Enrique on a long term deal, but couldn't have both. I could be completely wrong, but if the club valued Jose so much, we would have made him an offer to match his ability and performances this season. Is that based on anything? I know Ashley is dodgy to say the least, but I wouldn't think he would make a manager choose which one of his best players to keep. Each deal will be considered on its merits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I love how people just assume he would sign if we give him x amount, nobody knows what he wants ffs, what if its not about the money? What else could it be about, in your opinion? Footballers all over the world change clubs for various reasons, not always money related. I dont know his reason but it could be anything from change of scenery, ambition to win things, international recognition etc. To simply say we can buy his future is naive when nobody actually knows. Of course the easiest way to use this situation against Ashley is to shout 'money' You're right, it's easy to blame Ashley et al. He probably does want to leave for a variety of reasons, think of what he's been through at this club. Almost constant managerial changes ... relegation. The question we have to ask is why wasn't he offered a contract at the beginning of this season? As soon as a player of his quality has less than 18 months left on his contract, the club is entering deep water. Have we progressed in the four seasons he has been here? Are we really showing any sign of progressing? Are Liverpool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I personally think that Pardew was probably given the option of either securing Tiote or Enrique on a long term deal, but couldn't have both. I could be completely wrong, but if the club valued Jose so much, we would have made him an offer to match his ability and performances this season. Is that based on anything? I know Ashley is dodgy to say the least, but I wouldn't think he would make a manager choose which one of his best players to keep. Each deal will be considered on its merits. Based on absolutely f*ck all, just a feeling i get for some reason. Probably completely wrong, but there we go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 The question we have to ask is why wasn't he offered a contract at the beginning of this season? do we know categorically he wasn't? and also more than likely they wanted to see where we ended up before handing out a massive long contract again and being tied to it - in the relegation season jose's stock was nowhere near as high as it is now so i can see the reasoning behind waiting myself problem is we'll more than likely end up being bitten by the decision now as he's had a good season and big clubs with money are looking at him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Fuck him if he goes to Liverpool. I hate that shit club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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