madras

Ooooh it's the bellamy gambit.

There'll be no outing of "truth", merely a battle over semantics. i'll bet it's warm in the Semantics

....so therefore all other teams must crash and burn? Righto. ultimatly they do........except one.

this, its Keegan vs Ashley, i know whos side i'm on,. without any evidence either way. i'll choose my side when i have some idea of what went on.

abdoulaye faye a doubt according to SSN.

my thoughts exactly.....with added "and we find out what happened"

bet you'd be quite happy if it was us.

Only if that represents 8m the club would have spent otherwise. I'm afraid I'm cynical whether the club will invest as much as it can afford. I think they will spend the minimum amount possible, based on history to date. if the club has to pay out that ammount to keegan it is obvious that ammount has to be found from somewhere.

in the interst of balance........ lets assume keegan agreed to the DoF idea but thought he could get more power as time went on (think keegan at fulham). keegan dug his heels in over wanting certain players,players that the board felt were unrealistic,with the deadline approaching the board felt the need to get players in and hope keegan can make the best of them. neither scenario will be spot on,it may well be somewhere in the middle,as a fan even if it takes a court case i'd like to knoew what happened one way or the other. It's difficult to know what to believe, I know I keep changing my mind every time I think about the subject. On the one hand, if Keegan had as you say dug his heels in, then Wise & Co had no option but to sign players over his head. At the same time though, weren't we linked with a few unknown players who Keegan wanted, yet we for some reason did not sign? There's Kamil Zayatte who Keegan clearly wanted yet ended up at Hull. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4422699,00.html "Speaking to the Hull Mail, Zayatte said: "Originally I was going to go to Everton but the two clubs did not agree on transfer fees. "The coach of Everton (David Moyes) then recommended me to the coach of Newcastle (Kevin Keegan), but the manager and the chairman did not get on. "Then I signed for Hull and I don't regret it. It looks like a brilliant decision." Reads to me like Keegan wanted him but the chairman said no, and Zayatte is hardly an unrealistic target. could well be true, but for what reason ?...maybe bassong was chose instead ?

Nor would you wish to take it lying down the key word being "APPARENTLY" on the run up to it i'd heard "APPARENTLY keegan had no say in transfers" also "APPARENTLY keegan was in a power game with wise and didn't want anyone whom wise reccomended and wanted unrealistic signings" (weeks before the NOTW broke a similar story) What's your problem? Don't understand the conditional tense or something? Take your capital letters elsewhere, you patronising oaf you i am the scales of justice....you are a weight. More like this is a knob and you are the jockey if that is a proposition.....no thanks.

Nor would you wish to take it lying down the key word being "APPARENTLY" on the run up to it i'd heard "APPARENTLY keegan had no say in transfers" also "APPARENTLY keegan was in a power game with wise and didn't want anyone whom wise reccomended and wanted unrealistic signings" (weeks before the NOTW broke a similar story) What's your problem? Don't understand the conditional tense or something? Take your capital letters elsewhere, you patronising oaf you i am the scales of justice....you are a weight. (your conditiional sense seems to come from one side all the time)

What are you referring to exactly. I don't believe this is a defamation of character action. The "madness of King Kev" article which quoted an anonymous club insider and which came out about a day after the official website posted the "If is a FACT" statement (which contradicted previous statements by Wise/Ashley). The article was apparently written by a journalist connected closely to the current Newcastle hierarchy. Not saying that it's part of this lawsuit, what I was trying to get at was that it was a cheapshot that attempted to taint his reputation, so whether Keegan has any evidence or not is irrelevant, he'll have known what they were trying to do and hence he'd have even more reason to go ahead with this constructive dismissal case, which is where you would assume he has the evidence to nail them. wasn't it in response to the keegan (via the LMA) statement about him not being to do as he pleased.

Agreed. People's views on this will be coloured by whether they think he was forced out or "bottled" it. Personally I believe he was misled from the outset re transfers and his position was made untenable. I think he has every right to sue the club in that case and I don't think any the less of him for it, I would do exactly the same in his shoes. He is not stealing from the fans' pocket - Ashley owns the club not us - and this should not affect transfer funds one jot (I'm cynical over whether any money will be spent one way or another anyway). I wish it wasn't happening but the responsibility lies with Ashley imo. if the case is found against keegan then the responsibility was with keegan. also any monies leaving the club could well affect any future transfer expenditure. If the court decides against keegan then I'd reconsider. If his contract is paid up then he shouldn't have been constructively dismissed and he's entitled to it. In those circumstances the blame lies with Ashley and his minions not Keegan, and we'd have been better off getting 3 years of service out of him rather than forcing him out. so instead of your posts being very pro-keegan shouldn't you be saying "wait till we see what comes out in court" Not really. I believe Keegan's in the right here. i believe we haven't got a clue what went on and for all it'll be ugly it's the only way to clear things up. Unfortunately I can see this all being settled on the quiet out of court with the fans none the wiser. But if Keegan is taking this to court as a matter of principle he'll see it through to the bitter end? Settling out of court will still leave questions unanswered. If that happened we'd know that it's purely and simply about the money. If Keegan does indeed want to clear his name, stick to his principles and let the fans know what went on, he'll hopefully not accept out of court. then again. "we pay you a bit to stay quiet about some bad bits and we don't blow you out the water" (if they have the evidence to do that) i'd rather everything came out.

Nor would you wish to take it lying down the key word being "APPARENTLY" on the run up to it i'd heard "APPARENTLY keegan had no say in transfers" also "APPARENTLY keegan was in a power game with wise and didn't want anyone whom wise reccomended and wanted unrealistic signings" (weeks before the NOTW broke a similar story)

in the interst of balance........ lets assume keegan agreed to the DoF idea but thought he could get more power as time went on (think keegan at fulham). keegan dug his heels in over wanting certain players,players that the board felt were unrealistic,with the deadline approaching the board felt the need to get players in and hope keegan can make the best of them. neither scenario will be spot on,it may well be somewhere in the middle,as a fan even if it takes a court case i'd like to knoew what happened one way or the other.

Agreed. People's views on this will be coloured by whether they think he was forced out or "bottled" it. Personally I believe he was misled from the outset re transfers and his position was made untenable. I think he has every right to sue the club in that case and I don't think any the less of him for it, I would do exactly the same in his shoes. He is not stealing from the fans' pocket - Ashley owns the club not us - and this should not affect transfer funds one jot (I'm cynical over whether any money will be spent one way or another anyway). I wish it wasn't happening but the responsibility lies with Ashley imo. if the case is found against keegan then the responsibility was with keegan. also any monies leaving the club could well affect any future transfer expenditure. If the court decides against keegan then I'd reconsider. If his contract is paid up then he shouldn't have been constructively dismissed and he's entitled to it. In those circumstances the blame lies with Ashley and his minions not Keegan, and we'd have been better off getting 3 years of service out of him rather than forcing him out. so instead of your posts being very pro-keegan shouldn't you be saying "wait till we see what comes out in court" Not really. I believe Keegan's in the right here. i believe we haven't got a clue what went on and for all it'll be ugly it's the only way to clear things up. Unfortunately I can see this all being settled on the quiet out of court with the fans none the wiser. quite possible. worst of all worlds in my opinion.

Agreed. People's views on this will be coloured by whether they think he was forced out or "bottled" it. Personally I believe he was misled from the outset re transfers and his position was made untenable. I think he has every right to sue the club in that case and I don't think any the less of him for it, I would do exactly the same in his shoes. He is not stealing from the fans' pocket - Ashley owns the club not us - and this should not affect transfer funds one jot (I'm cynical over whether any money will be spent one way or another anyway). I wish it wasn't happening but the responsibility lies with Ashley imo. if the case is found against keegan then the responsibility was with keegan. also any monies leaving the club could well affect any future transfer expenditure. If the court decides against keegan then I'd reconsider. If his contract is paid up then he shouldn't have been constructively dismissed and he's entitled to it. In those circumstances the blame lies with Ashley and his minions not Keegan, and we'd have been better off getting 3 years of service out of him rather than forcing him out. so instead of your posts being very pro-keegan shouldn't you be saying "wait till we see what comes out in court" Not really. I believe Keegan's in the right here. i believe we haven't got a clue what went on and for all it'll be ugly it's the only way to clear things up.

Wey either way he gets work Sky will want his as pundit for Sunday now so they can quiz him. Could you imagine him on Sky? Skilling: "So what do you think of Chelsea's chances against Arsenal at home, Roy?" Keane: "They're all losers, fakes, the lot of 'em. No commitment." Skilling: "So you don't rate Chelsea then Roy?" Keane: "c***s. Them and Arsenal. No focus. They don't put the effort in. No courage." Skilling: "Errr, so what does Big Phil do to contain Arsenal going forward?" Keane: "That's it I've had enough of your questions. I'm off to walk me dog." Skilling: "What do you think of Sunderland ?" Keane: "Shoite !"

Agreed. People's views on this will be coloured by whether they think he was forced out or "bottled" it. Personally I believe he was misled from the outset re transfers and his position was made untenable. I think he has every right to sue the club in that case and I don't think any the less of him for it, I would do exactly the same in his shoes. He is not stealing from the fans' pocket - Ashley owns the club not us - and this should not affect transfer funds one jot (I'm cynical over whether any money will be spent one way or another anyway). I wish it wasn't happening but the responsibility lies with Ashley imo. if the case is found against keegan then the responsibility was with keegan. also any monies leaving the club could well affect any future transfer expenditure. If the court decides against keegan then I'd reconsider. If his contract is paid up then he shouldn't have been constructively dismissed and he's entitled to it. In those circumstances the blame lies with Ashley and his minions not Keegan, and we'd have been better off getting 3 years of service out of him rather than forcing him out. so instead of your posts being very pro-keegan shouldn't you be saying "wait till we see what comes out in court"

on the other hand if ashley thinks he could pin the blame on keegan in court ?

Agreed. People's views on this will be coloured by whether they think he was forced out or "bottled" it. Personally I believe he was misled from the outset re transfers and his position was made untenable. I think he has every right to sue the club in that case and I don't think any the less of him for it, I would do exactly the same in his shoes. He is not stealing from the fans' pocket - Ashley owns the club not us - and this should not affect transfer funds one jot (I'm cynical over whether any money will be spent one way or another anyway). I wish it wasn't happening but the responsibility lies with Ashley imo. if the case is found against keegan then the responsibility was with keegan. also any monies leaving the club could well affect any future transfer expenditure.

I hope KK gets his loot like SBR did in the end. Hate seeing the club win legal s***, as most times when the c***s go to court I often think they are in the wrong. Was glad when they lost to the taxman. Was gutted when they beat the fans in S.O.S case. instead of hoping those ways why not hope that whoever is in the right wins their case ?

i just hope the truth comes out

Re-read the very first sentence again mate. Why worry about Ashley taking a hit? If he runs the club into the ground, it's his loss. Someone will buy it eventually and run it properly. I'm not worried about Ashley taking a hit. Both sides obviously think they've got a good case otherwise it wouldn't have got this far. It just so happens that Ashley could, financially, deal with losing the case but I'm not sure if Keegan could. If Keegan is found to have breached his contract it could cost him an awful lot of money. If Ashley loses he could just add it to his asking price for the club. Hope Keegan knows what he's doing here. How? I thought the loser has to pay both side's court costs? depends on the judge. if the judge thinks the loser had some justification thenthe costs could be lower or minimal. i think

Re-read the very first sentence again mate. Why worry about Ashley taking a hit? If he runs the club into the ground, it's his loss. Someone will buy it eventually and run it properly. He's suing the corporate entity that is NUFC, not the individual Mike Ashley. Whatever settlement is reached will come from club funds, or do you really think Ashley will reach for his personal checkbook to pick up the tab? Wasn't favorable towards Keegan before and I certainly have no love for him now. I'd like to see people still argue that he "loves the club" when he seems willing to take a few million quid from our coffers when we're desperate for cash in January. but if he has been wronged be should stand up for himself (like he seems to be doing) regardless of his love for the club. I agree, he has the right. I would too if I was in his position I guess. Just saying that this should blow out of the water any idea that he ever held the club above his own financial benefit or pride. He's no Geordie Messiah, just another manager that's come and failed. (I'm talking about the second time around, not the first, so lets not get into that argument.) i'll bet if any of us were a contractor employed by the club and we got done over we'd have it up in court if need be.