madras

todays independent was reporting that one of the US consortia (?) was nearing the end of due dilligence. strange that if true only one paper should pick up on this.

great point. well done. would we be more adventerous against the lesser lights ? (boro)

I think I know him If it is who I think it is he's quite a decent lad working in a respectable profession. wullie aint it ?

Precisely. Load of horseshit. I'm sure we'd have no problem fighting off other clubs for the services of £10m-rated loanees. It's f***ing laughable. Ashley is ripping the piss. Fair play to Fred Shep to shut us up he would let a manager spunk dollops of cash on players. Now we talk about bringing "10 MILLION POUND PLAYER'S" on loan for a few months. I guess they have saw the crowd down the road benefit having Sissy on loan, that is the level we are at now competing & getting ideas off SAFC......... THE f***ing SHAME OF IT :-[ Not really we used to bring in loan players all the time, Helder, Distin, Saha etc plus we brought in Gonzaelz in the summer who cost Valencia 8.8M Euros. Saha overall was gash for us nice goal against Blackburn though. Helder & Distin should of been signed up. Nacho has been a poor loan signing, I would say about the worse I can remember as I type now & I remember Tommy Gaynor & Dave Mitchell. paul moran (shudders)

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club. A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30. it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else. If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan". I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then. I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though. rubbish. The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling. And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result. So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy? Learn to read. This thread is about Newcastle's gates. So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates? do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it mackems.gif ? You not going to answer the question then? I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club. Start winning, and they will go up again. You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this. Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here. Glad we cleared that one up. no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this. I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too. but they didn't. Stop defending the shambolic mess the club is in courtesy of Ashley and his "plan". It hasn;t worked, it isn't going to work, and thats why the crowds are down. They would be down even further if more people paid on a match to match basis. no response by baggy then. Again. mackems.gif do you think if fred/allardyce had still been here crowds would have stayed up ? well madras, it would appear you are the only one still unable to accept the basic facts, which are that if we start winning, those crowds will shoot up again. I think if the team was winning, they would be higher, yes. Obviously. Don't you ? no. yet again you gloss over when i give a straight answer. i said i agree when you posted that we would sell out regardless of the economic state if we were doing well (top 4 i believe you said), first post on page 3. i wholeheartedly agree on that,but we werent winning much when fred left were we and under allardyce my belief is we'd have won even less than under the previous two. have you been to the last few games ? People are so pissed off they aren't even coming to games they have paid for !!!!! and i know people who only kept going cos fred left.

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club. A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30. it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else. If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan". I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then. I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though. rubbish. The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling. And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result. So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy? Learn to read. This thread is about Newcastle's gates. So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates? do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it mackems.gif ? You not going to answer the question then? I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club. Start winning, and they will go up again. You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this. Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here. Glad we cleared that one up. no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this. I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too. but they didn't. Stop defending the shambolic mess the club is in courtesy of Ashley and his "plan". It hasn;t worked, it isn't going to work, and thats why the crowds are down. They would be down even further if more people paid on a match to match basis. no response by baggy then. Again. mackems.gif do you think if fred/allardyce had still been here crowds would have stayed up ? well madras, it would appear you are the only one still unable to accept the basic facts, which are that if we start winning, those crowds will shoot up again. I think if the team was winning, they would be higher, yes. Obviously. Don't you ? no. yet again you gloss over when i give a straight answer. i said i agree when you posted that we would sell out regardless of the economic state if we were doing well (top 4 i believe you said), first post on page 3. i wholeheartedly agree on that,but we werent winning much when fred left were we and under allardyce my belief is we'd have won even less than under the previous two. edit...my mistake ,the actual phrase was "among the top clubs or looking like we were getting there"....we werent were we ?

that may well need to be decided on in court

martins.....32 goals in 76 apps owen.......26 goals in 47 apps according to nufc.com

no,not,pressure but he has a reputation for trying power games. is it possible he tried it again and got burned ? Oh that's something I definitely think happened madras. just a possibility.....and at the minute they are all just possibilities.

on the baltic ? (hey...madras taking the piss out of someone elses typing)

no,not,pressure but he has a reputation for trying power games. is it possible he tried it again and got burned ?

he still f***ed off when he hasn't got his own way or when the pressure was on. The best managers flourish under pressure keegan has bottled it. If you think he f***ed off because the pressure was on this time you're very much as ignorant as your comments have already suggested. the problem is we don't actually know why he fucked off.

does all the basics better. to be honest, so does Guthrie at times, doesn't make him a better player. Martins has twice the ability Owen does. What's great about Owen? He has no left foot, average pace, no power whatsoever, no great skill, less than fantastic workrate, finishing is hardly lethal. He gets on the end of chances, simple as. It should be also noted that he's a horrible player to partner. Take away friendlies and his record for England is s****. He's never exactly set the premiership alight with goals either, even when he took penalties for L'Pool he never managed 20. He deserves to be in our starting 11 without doubt, but calling him a great player is madness. good grief ! martins movement is too often woeful,as is his control and decision making. he doesn't use the pace he is blessed with and gives the ball away far too much.

Jesus wept!!! you talk s****. we`ve sold out every away game bar one this season (except numbers) you got this right. so what makes you think the noise levels or songs are lower\worse than other clubs? Because you all sit and sing about Newcastle. Proper away fans stand and sing about their team. Bullshit!!! how many of Sunderland`s away games have you been too?? About 10-15 a season. you'll have to explain yourself Yes I think he will keep quiet you ! fwiw i know fans from both clubs who travel regularly and both say the travelling atmosphere,while still being better than the home support ,has certainly dropped in intensity over the past year and a bit. maybe it's a football wide thing.

does all the basics better.

Jesus wept!!! you talk s****. we`ve sold out every away game bar one this season (except numbers) you got this right. so what makes you think the noise levels or songs are lower\worse than other clubs? Because you all sit and sing about Newcastle. Proper away fans stand and sing about their team. Bullshit!!! how many of Sunderland`s away games have you been too?? About 10-15 a season. you'll have to explain yourself

it was canny the first few times you watched it but it was a joke that,like most,wears thin with time.

part of robsons reign as manager era was better than keegan era as a player. Bobby did well as boss, for which i'm thankful. However, when KK signed for us as a player, it was a world superstar joining MY club. A club that had struggled for years with a team of relative nobodies. Crowds doubled. The buzz around the City was immense. I thought i was dreaming when he ran out of that tunnel in OUR black and white stripes. Unforgetable! that day, against QPR, the atmoshpere in strawberry place was buzzing, from about 10am, it was thronging, the air was electric, you could feel the anticipation through your body. A truley significant day in the history of the club. i know,i was there,but in terms of the club getting somewhere and me thinking "this is it" it has to be robsons time as manager over keegans as a player. people forget that for all the keegan stuff first season as player...we didn't go up, second season we didn't even go yp as champs and i wasn't even certain we'd stop up,even before cox walked. exciting certainly but i never thought it meant the club was reaching its potential of the time.

And I have my reasons for doing so. Keegan give me the best time as a fan following this club, we'd have been rotting if it wasn't for this man, no doubt about it. He gave most of my family two of the best times of supporting this club. He made this club and it's fans feel how it should feel, he is one of us, he understands us, he was one of the true romantics left in a game ruined by money, a game which has forgot where it has come from and who put it where it is, that's right the fans. Keegan understood all of this, Keegan believed in his players playing the right way. Everyone of his players had his ultimate confidence, they all enjoyed playing for him, as he enjoyed having them play for him. They all understood what Keegan is, a man of the game. I understand what Keegan is, he was never the Messiah he was made out to be, but he came in pretty close. Thank you for everything you've done for this club Kevin Keegan. The game as proven on your final departure has taken a turn in the wrong direction, you could see this, you tried to fight this. But ultimately you lost your battle. I still love you, I won't ever forget what you've done for this football club and this city. A true Newcastle United legend if there ever was one. Well said. I agree. Easily my best days of following the Toon have been with KK at the club, both as player and manager. part of robsons reign as manager era was better than keegan era as a player.

Yeah, he basically said when Leeds played Man Utd, they played like they should be challenging at the top of the league, and that there was no way they'd try that hard against us. And he was correct. it was after the leeds game but it was fergusons comments about the up-coming game against forest (1-1 draw)

Yeah, he basically said when Leeds played Man Utd, they played like they should be challenging at the top of the league, and that there was no way they'd try that hard against us. due to us having recently played or being due to play in stuart pearces testimonial wasn't it ?

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club. A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30. it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else. If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan". I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then. I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though. rubbish. The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling. And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result. So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy? Learn to read. This thread is about Newcastle's gates. So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates? do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it mackems.gif ? You not going to answer the question then? I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club. Start winning, and they will go up again. You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this. Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here. Glad we cleared that one up. no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this. I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too. but they didn't. Stop defending the shambolic mess the club is in courtesy of Ashley and his "plan". It hasn;t worked, it isn't going to work, and thats why the crowds are down. They would be down even further if more people paid on a match to match basis. no response by baggy then. Again. mackems.gif do you think if fred/allardyce had still been here crowds would have stayed up ?

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club. A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30. it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else. If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan". I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then. I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though. rubbish. The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling. And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result. So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy? Learn to read. This thread is about Newcastle's gates. So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates? do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it mackems.gif ? You not going to answer the question then? I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club. Start winning, and they will go up again. You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this. Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here. Glad we cleared that one up. no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this. I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too. but they didn't. I think you missed the bit where he said "If the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too." Our attendances are still the third highest in the league, incidentally. so if Ashley doesn't bugger off and we don't give people more optimism, the crowds won't go up ? This defending of the shambles the club is in thanks to Ashley and his grand plans and DOF bollocks, is almost as cringeworthy as the comments by mick in my sig. I'm sure attendances would increase should optimism return. In the same way that they did when Ashley brought Keegan in. Whatever the case it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that fewer matchday tickets are being sold for more than one reason, one of which being the economic downturn. This doesn't exonerate the present mess, but in your twisted mind everything is about the same bloody argument. Which is an argument you only seem to have so that you can continue to try to demonstrate how stupid Mick, Ozzie etc. are. they demonstrate it themselves, I just draw attention to it. See the bold bit mate, its as obvious as night becomes day. You are only talking about 6000 empty seats, some of those will be the away allocation [see toonlass commenting about Hull, well Hull have good supporters and sold out]. They sold out because they are doing well. Newcastle's are falling because people are pissed off, and if they hadn't already paid, those crowds would be below 40000 now. Thats a measure of how badly this time under Ashley is. If nothing changes, there will be a huge drop in ticket sales next season, and that is nothing to do with the economy. You know as well as me that even though people prioritise their money, people will prioritise the club higher if they are doing well. Those who were attracted back to the club by an ambitious board, will fall away now due to an unambitious one. Thats a fact, you wait and see. next time you're in the pub for a newcastle match ask how many would still be going if fred were still in charge ? Well, quite a lot of people now wish Ashley was gone. Most people I know supported the club before 1992 anyway, so it doesn't come into it. We'll have to wait and see, but I'm quite confident that one thing and one thing only will lift those crowds back to the levels that the Halls and Shepherd set them at, and its got nothing to do with the current state of the economy. it does come into it. i used to sit with over 1 dozen in the pub pre match,all season ticket holders. this went down to half a dozen under freds latter exploits. now out ohose left half werent going t to renew had fred stopped on.

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club. A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30. it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else. If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan". I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then. I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though. rubbish. The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling. And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result. So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy? Learn to read. This thread is about Newcastle's gates. So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates? do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it mackems.gif ? You not going to answer the question then? I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club. Start winning, and they will go up again. You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this. Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here. Glad we cleared that one up. no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this. I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too. but they didn't. I think you missed the bit where he said "If the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too." Our attendances are still the third highest in the league, incidentally. so if Ashley doesn't bugger off and we don't give people more optimism, the crowds won't go up ? This defending of the shambles the club is in thanks to Ashley and his grand plans and DOF bollocks, is almost as cringeworthy as the comments by mick in my sig. I'm sure attendances would increase should optimism return. In the same way that they did when Ashley brought Keegan in. Whatever the case it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that fewer matchday tickets are being sold for more than one reason, one of which being the economic downturn. This doesn't exonerate the present mess, but in your twisted mind everything is about the same bloody argument. Which is an argument you only seem to have so that you can continue to try to demonstrate how stupid Mick, Ozzie etc. are. they demonstrate it themselves, I just draw attention to it. See the bold bit mate, its as obvious as night becomes day. You are only talking about 6000 empty seats, some of those will be the away allocation [see toonlass commenting about Hull, well Hull have good supporters and sold out]. They sold out because they are doing well. Newcastle's are falling because people are pissed off, and if they hadn't already paid, those crowds would be below 40000 now. Thats a measure of how badly this time under Ashley is. If nothing changes, there will be a huge drop in ticket sales next season, and that is nothing to do with the economy. You know as well as me that even though people prioritise their money, people will prioritise the club higher if they are doing well. Those who were attracted back to the club by an ambitious board, will fall away now due to an unambitious one. Thats a fact, you wait and see. next time you're in the pub for a newcastle match ask how many would still be going if fred were still in charge ?

Please god no. or mackems.gif even