madras

but not cocknese post 15,page 1

:lol: i think i've just cracked 4 ribs and done my hernia. :lol: should have used crypt instead of coffin.

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I agree, and that's what the majority of fans are doing. United in protest against a regime that has seen our best manager in memory forced out due to lack of control. he's made some mistakes, but he hasn't deserved the treament he has got and he didn't try to force keegan out, he wanted him to stay. If he wanted him to stay, surely all he needed to do was ensure that Keegan did infact have final say on transfers. Why is that so hard? cos maybe he didn;t trust him to do that and maybe keegan had originally agreed to that structure to get the job ? He agreed on that structure, yet everyone at NUFC just decided they needed to keep that fact secret, in fact down right lie about it? including keegan You're argument is sounding desperate now Madras. your opinion. in my opinion your's is aswell OK. Good. I think at the end of the day, you've got to ask yourself what you believe to be the truth (because we are never going to find out for sure), and I personally don't see what Keegan is gaining by lying, therefore I believe him. POWER within the club. should we stop this now. we aint getting anywhere ?

I agree, and that's what the majority of fans are doing. United in protest against a regime that has seen our best manager in memory forced out due to lack of control. he's made some mistakes, but he hasn't deserved the treament he has got and he didn't try to force keegan out, he wanted him to stay. If he wanted him to stay, surely all he needed to do was ensure that Keegan did infact have final say on transfers. Why is that so hard? cos maybe he didn;t trust him to do that and maybe keegan had originally agreed to that structure to get the job ? He agreed on that structure, yet everyone at NUFC just decided they needed to keep that fact secret, in fact down right lie about it? including keegan You're argument is sounding desperate now Madras. your opinion. in my opinion your's is aswell

I agree, and that's what the majority of fans are doing. United in protest against a regime that has seen our best manager in memory forced out due to lack of control. he's made some mistakes, but he hasn't deserved the treament he has got and he didn't try to force keegan out, he wanted him to stay. If he wanted him to stay, surely all he needed to do was ensure that Keegan did infact have final say on transfers. Why is that so hard? cos maybe he didn;t trust him to do that and maybe keegan had originally agreed to that structure to get the job ? He agreed on that structure, yet everyone at NUFC just decided they needed to keep that fact secret, in fact down right lie about it? including keegan

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I agree, and that's what the majority of fans are doing. United in protest against a regime that has seen our best manager in memory forced out due to lack of control. he's made some mistakes, but he hasn't deserved the treament he has got and he didn't try to force keegan out, he wanted him to stay. If he wanted him to stay, surely all he needed to do was ensure that Keegan did infact have final say on transfers. Why is that so hard? cos maybe he didn;t trust him to do that and maybe keegan had originally agreed to that structure to get the job ?

So am I to be honest. The point madras is trying to make is that Keegan lied to us by saying that he has final say, therefore he's as bad as the rest. My point is that surely Keegan said those things because he though them to be true. Just because something you believe is proved false doesn't mean you're a liar surely. if coloccini,guthrie and gutierrez werent his signings then he knew he didn't have the final say. if they were his signings then why walk ? well we are back to "ifs" again arent we so until these things are confirmed, we must surely assume that Kevin isnt lying... cant we ? Sorry for butting in by the way. thats the point...whos signings were coloccini and gutierrez ? I'm confused to why it matters. Keegan has stated that he had players bought that he didn't want. That's enough for me. You're argument about "why didn't he walk when colo, jonas ect were bought". You tell me. I don't know. Maybe he was promised other players. Maybe he wasn't. I don't know. It still doesn't make him wrong for resigning though. "maybe he was,maybe he wasn't I don't know'" (but i'll back keegan regardless)

It was one of the few protest that have got what it wanted, the last one in this country that worked was the anti-poll tax protest iirc. and in both those cases the majority still end up getting screwed. as someone old enough to have actually not paid the poll tax,when the council tax came in it was guess what ? the same ammount. Of course your council tax was going to be the same with fuckers like you not paying your poll tax!!! :-[

So am I to be honest. The point madras is trying to make is that Keegan lied to us by saying that he has final say, therefore he's as bad as the rest. My point is that surely Keegan said those things because he though them to be true. Just because something you believe is proved false doesn't mean you're a liar surely. if coloccini,guthrie and gutierrez werent his signings then he knew he didn't have the final say. if they were his signings then why walk ? well we are back to "ifs" again arent we so until these things are confirmed, we must surely assume that Kevin isnt lying... cant we ? Sorry for butting in by the way. thats the point...whos signings were coloccini and gutierrez ?

Let's see now. "Mongs"... Given that you use vocab like this then I despair with this club as you idiots use this vocabulary and you feel it is appropriate and is not a reason as to why the world ridicules the club. Grow up you f***ing idiots... Yes! Exactly. Anyone who wants Shepherd back, even in a figurehead capacity, wants to remember who royally shafted us and made us a total laughing stock in the first place. want is too strong a term but if he came back with say...........£700million worth of backing ? If you had £700 million would ask Shepherd to do that? i would actually.just to take the piss. Out of who? everyone that would cry like 4year olds if shepherd came back Would you not be bothered? honestly depends on what program was put forward He can't speak. He can't have money near him. His son wouldn't be near the club. He couldn't make his own signings. He wouldn't be responsible for the club. Would there be any point in paying him? never mentioned paying him

It was one of the few protest that have got what it wanted, the last one in this country that worked was the anti-poll tax protest iirc. and in both those cases the majority still end up getting screwed. as someone old enough to have actually not paid the poll tax,when the council tax came in it was guess what ? the same ammount.

So am I to be honest. The point madras is trying to make is that Keegan lied to us by saying that he has final say, therefore he's as bad as the rest. My point is that surely Keegan said those things because he though them to be true. Just because something you believe is proved false doesn't mean you're a liar surely. if coloccini,guthrie and gutierrez werent his signings then he knew he didn't have the final say. if they were his signings then why walk ?

What did he say? he said,during the press conference about selling milner,that he made all those decisions.

he said it after selling milner

"Mongs"... Given that you use vocab like this then I despair with this club as you idiots use this vocabulary and you feel it is appropriate and is not a reason as to why the world ridicules the club. Grow up you f***ing idiots... Yes! Exactly. Anyone who wants Shepherd back, even in a figurehead capacity, wants to remember who royally shafted us and made us a total laughing stock in the first place. want is too strong a term but if he came back with say...........£700million worth of backing ? If you had £700 million would ask Shepherd to do that? i would actually.just to take the piss. Out of who? everyone that would cry like 4year olds if shepherd came back Would you not be bothered? honestly depends on what program was put forward

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Kevin Keegan has Kevin Keegans best interests at heart. People really need to f*** off with this whole selfless martyr image of him they're trying to build. IF people start f***ing u about at wherever u work, will u just carry on and let them? and theres no possibility he was playing power games ? If he was, he's won, and good for him. I know who I'd back if you were asking me between Keegan and Ashley, who has the clubs interest at heart. he won what. he's out of a job.we aren't any better off and more people on here distrust him than before. some win!! what the f*** would a draw have got him ? He wins if he engineers the downfall of an owner and setup that he believes is unfit to run the club. For what it's worth, I don't believe we've seen the last of the Keegan Newcastle relationship. 95% of the fans right now want Keegan back and Wise and co. out. I don't want to speak for everyone, but that is certainly how my family and group of friends feel. And to be honest, the majority of the people angry at Keegan on here are just doing so to go against the grain, basing it on very little. whereas my lot are very much of the opinion that he's as much to blame as the rest. you'll find that those on here angry at keegan are basing it on the FACT thast we haven't filled in the blank pieces with our imaginations and are waiting for facts. like it or not,keegan lied and i have as much reason to believe him as i have wise,ashley or whoever. When did Keegan lie? If your going to say he lied when he sold Milner, is it not possible (like many predicted at the time), that he sanctioned the sale because he was promised that we would sign Player X and Y before the deadline? first off can you prove any of that ? then were coloccini and gutierrez his choices or not. if yes he has little argument,if not he lied to us when he said he had complete control of comings and goings. I'm bored of this Madras. You think one thing, I think another. Neither of us have proof. I personally trust KK and believe him over Ashley and co who have proved to be liars. I'm sick of writing the same stuff now. i personally trust none of them as they've all been proven to be liars. Still don't understand when KK has been proven to be a liar, but OK. i explained in post 916 in this thread. keegan lied in saying he had control of comings and goings (like ashley and wise lied about the same thing) when he knew he didn't. For the final time, my view on it is when he made the statement about having final say on transfers, that's what he believed. If you believe something that turns out in fact to be false, it doesn't mean you're a liar. why would he make that comment after gutierrez and coloccini had been brought in ? were they his or not ? don't put "my view" and then say "proved"

Kevin Keegan has Kevin Keegans best interests at heart. People really need to f*** off with this whole selfless martyr image of him they're trying to build. IF people start f***ing u about at wherever u work, will u just carry on and let them? and theres no possibility he was playing power games ? If he was, he's won, and good for him. I know who I'd back if you were asking me between Keegan and Ashley, who has the clubs interest at heart. he won what. he's out of a job.we aren't any better off and more people on here distrust him than before. some win!! what the f*** would a draw have got him ? He wins if he engineers the downfall of an owner and setup that he believes is unfit to run the club. For what it's worth, I don't believe we've seen the last of the Keegan Newcastle relationship. 95% of the fans right now want Keegan back and Wise and co. out. I don't want to speak for everyone, but that is certainly how my family and group of friends feel. And to be honest, the majority of the people angry at Keegan on here are just doing so to go against the grain, basing it on very little. whereas my lot are very much of the opinion that he's as much to blame as the rest. you'll find that those on here angry at keegan are basing it on the FACT thast we haven't filled in the blank pieces with our imaginations and are waiting for facts. like it or not,keegan lied and i have as much reason to believe him as i have wise,ashley or whoever. When did Keegan lie? If your going to say he lied when he sold Milner, is it not possible (like many predicted at the time), that he sanctioned the sale because he was promised that we would sign Player X and Y before the deadline? first off can you prove any of that ? then were coloccini and gutierrez his choices or not. if yes he has little argument,if not he lied to us when he said he had complete control of comings and goings. I'm bored of this Madras. You think one thing, I think another. Neither of us have proof. I personally trust KK and believe him over Ashley and co who have proved to be liars. I'm sick of writing the same stuff now. i personally trust none of them as they've all been proven to be liars. Still don't understand when KK has been proven to be a liar, but OK. i explained in post 916 in this thread. keegan lied in saying he had control of comings and goings (like ashley and wise lied about the same thing) when he knew he didn't.

Kevin Keegan has Kevin Keegans best interests at heart. People really need to f*** off with this whole selfless martyr image of him they're trying to build. IF people start f***ing u about at wherever u work, will u just carry on and let them? and theres no possibility he was playing power games ? If he was, he's won, and good for him. I know who I'd back if you were asking me between Keegan and Ashley, who has the clubs interest at heart. he won what. he's out of a job.we aren't any better off and more people on here distrust him than before. some win!! what the f*** would a draw have got him ? He wins if he engineers the downfall of an owner and setup that he believes is unfit to run the club. For what it's worth, I don't believe we've seen the last of the Keegan Newcastle relationship. 95% of the fans right now want Keegan back and Wise and co. out. I don't want to speak for everyone, but that is certainly how my family and group of friends feel. And to be honest, the majority of the people angry at Keegan on here are just doing so to go against the grain, basing it on very little. whereas my lot are very much of the opinion that he's as much to blame as the rest. you'll find that those on here angry at keegan are basing it on the FACT thast we haven't filled in the blank pieces with our imaginations and are waiting for facts. like it or not,keegan lied and i have as much reason to believe him as i have wise,ashley or whoever. When did Keegan lie? If your going to say he lied when he sold Milner, is it not possible (like many predicted at the time), that he sanctioned the sale because he was promised that we would sign Player X and Y before the deadline? first off can you prove any of that ? then were coloccini and gutierrez his choices or not. if yes he has little argument,if not he lied to us when he said he had complete control of comings and goings. I'm bored of this Madras. You think one thing, I think another. Neither of us have proof. I personally trust KK and believe him over Ashley and co who have proved to be liars. I'm sick of writing the same stuff now. i personally trust none of them as they've all been proven to be liars.

Kevin Keegan has Kevin Keegans best interests at heart. People really need to f*** off with this whole selfless martyr image of him they're trying to build. IF people start f***ing u about at wherever u work, will u just carry on and let them? and theres no possibility he was playing power games ? If he was, he's won, and good for him. I know who I'd back if you were asking me between Keegan and Ashley, who has the clubs interest at heart. he won what. he's out of a job.we aren't any better off and more people on here distrust him than before. some win!! what the f*** would a draw have got him ? He wins if he engineers the downfall of an owner and setup that he believes is unfit to run the club. For what it's worth, I don't believe we've seen the last of the Keegan Newcastle relationship. 95% of the fans right now want Keegan back and Wise and co. out. I don't want to speak for everyone, but that is certainly how my family and group of friends feel. And to be honest, the majority of the people angry at Keegan on here are just doing so to go against the grain, basing it on very little. whereas my lot are very much of the opinion that he's as much to blame as the rest. you'll find that those on here angry at keegan are basing it on the FACT thast we haven't filled in the blank pieces with our imaginations and are waiting for facts. like it or not,keegan lied and i have as much reason to believe him as i have wise,ashley or whoever. When did Keegan lie? If your going to say he lied when he sold Milner, is it not possible (like many predicted at the time), that he sanctioned the sale because he was promised that we would sign Player X and Y before the deadline? first off can you prove any of that ? then were coloccini and gutierrez his choices or not. if yes he has little argument,if not he lied to us when he said he had complete control of comings and goings. while we are in the land of possibilities is it possible keegan agreed originally with ashleys structure in order to get the job thinking that he could get his own way later by threatening to walk out (it worked on SJH some years earlier)

good shout

I'm sick of people blaming KK for things. Piss of you twats. i'm sick of people blindly believing one side or the other with no fucking evidence. piss off you twats.

Many of us have been asking for this sort of system for a long time now.(including HTT). If KK didn't think this was a great idea...then he truley is yeasterday's man. I'm not that bothered that he's gone now. Sorry, but Keegan dosen't have my sympathy. I blame him for this mess too. Whether you agree with Ashley vision or not, I find it very hard to understand how anyone can agree with a manager being undermimed. thats the point. nobody knows if he was. the club official statement said keegan knew his remit......he hasn't responded on that bit.