madras

why if they clock the time properly ?

the atmosphere may well depend on the results from saturday and sunday. though i have to say the atmosphere was shit after half an hour against pompey.

Correct. aye.

or 2 ppoints or 1 or the same points with a better goal difference. I was talking about three more points period, not three more than Hull. i realised and edited my thicko post.

or 2 ppoints or 1 or the same points with a better goal difference. edit....re read it. aah i see.

and we are doing them favours. true though we'll get whatever we deserve.

Do you honestly remember the old board as just being s***? thats exactly the point as one or two remember the old board as being only good. done well for a while then done and were doing s*** at the end seems a fair summing up to me. my entire point - is that people like you who were trigger happy and just wanted rid, wanted rid of what was still a good board. So you now have what you want. You lost a good board and they were replaced by a s*** owner. It might be a while before we have a good board again. This is all so simple, and has brought such volume of disagreement, its quite staggering. Don't respond, Diane , just don't get involved. Walk away slowly. Say nowt. What? You didn't think that my mam and dad named me toonlass did you? you could equally have been addressing madras damn. i've been rumbled. my secret is out.

Match would last hours on end. no it wouldn't and it would make any time wasting pointless. Would also make hurrying up and taking set pieces quickly when there's not long left in the half and you're chasing the game pointless. Might as well choose the best player to take and receive the throw in, move them rigth across the pitch into position, get all your strikers etc in the right position first. If the ball's in play less than 60 minutes of a 90 minute game then to get a full 90 minutes of in-play football the games are going to have to finish a good 2 and a half hours after kick off. Not to mention the fact it would make the length of games unpredictable which would be a nightmare for things like early saturday kick offs where they'd have to move it early enough that they know it definitely won't still be going on when the 3pm kick offs come around. Would also discourage terrestrial channels from showing football and throwing their schedules into chaos. mix and match then. clock stops when the ball goes dead and 10 secs to restart play.

Do you honestly remember the old board as just being s***? thats exactly the point as one or two remember the old board as being only good. done well for a while then done and were doing s*** at the end seems a fair summing up to me. my entire point - is that people like you who were trigger happy and just wanted rid, wanted rid of what was still a good board. So you now have what you want. You lost a good board and they were replaced by a s*** owner. It might be a while before we have a good board again. This is all so simple, and has brought such volume of disagreement, its quite staggering. ask your brother if i just wanted rid,wanted rid. i was very wary of belgravia and polygon. it says everything that we weree willing to take any chump on as we saw where we were headed. think in bastard brag when you hoy in all your cards and pickm up the 3 randoms, or in scrabble when you throw in all your letters. thats the state we were in.

kirk said it all though.

i'll support stuff he does which i think are right. i'll criticise stuff he does which i think are wrong

is this thread a final admittance that I was right ? no. its the umpteenth admittance that you are a one trick pony. btw cinnamon is all right as a take away. not great, it's no brighton grove but if you'd had a drink or twelve and you can't be arsed to go much further it'll do.

to be fair i was watching the match and looking for anything to distract me from it.

Match would last hours on end. no it wouldn't and it would make any time wasting pointless. it would, go to an ice hockey match, a 20min period lasts a long long time sky used to do a stat of how long the ball was actually in play and it was usually about an hour then if you take out the actual time wasting. the problem at ice hocky (yes i've been) is that it takes so long to restart.

Match would last hours on end. no it wouldn't and it would make any time wasting pointless.

i don't think anyone at anytime,unlike what one or two have tried to make out,has said that the previous board were all bad all the time but the problem with "towards the end" was that you just couldn't see them turning it round. unlike what one or two think, peoples dislike of fred was mainly for this reason rather than disliking him personally.

i've said for a while time keeping should be done by an off the field official who stops the clock as soon as the ball goes dead.

Do you honestly remember the old board as just being s***? thats exactly the point as one or two remember the old board as being only good. done well for a while then done and were doing shit at the end seems a fair summing up to me.

very true

no, you're wrong. Pretty much the majority of people insisted it should be run like a "business" rather than a football club and we would be better off for it. Which always astounded me, tbh more businesslike as in "look at whats happened to other clubs that thought they could just keep on borrowing" the current top 4 are all debt free though aren't they. been here and already explained it in a straight forward way. no dodging etc. i'll explain in a way a 5yr old could understand if you want . don't bother madras. Even a 5 year old could tell you that if you make profits in transfer windows what will happen to you. and the same 5yr old would understand that you cant borrow for ever if people don't think you'll be able to pay it back. please tell us all how the current top 4, are, eerrr, the top 4, particularly Liverpool and Arsenal. Oooooh easy ones first. goody. through not spending 70% of turnover on wages so more money is left for transfers and finacing loans which makes it a lot better when asking banks etc for loans. through not appointing the likes of souness and roeder (well liverpool did and look how long it took them to recover) through building when you are doing well instead of getting in a free transfer when in touching distance of the champs league instead of spunking 50mill in a failed attempt to catch up. through paying some attention to the club instead of just the first team. rather surprisingly they haven't always been the top 4. We will see what Arsenal do when Wenger calls it a day. They are in debt though, aren't they ? No point telling me about Souness, it was numerous others who supported him, and agreed with all of his signings and sales. i've pointed out lots and lots and lots of times that i'm not against the club having debt. do pay attention. re souness.....does that mean you think fred got it wrong in allowing souness to do those things ? (straight answers only please) I have said on numerous occasions the Halls and Shepherd got it wrong with Souness, unlike many others who supported his actions right to the end. But that doesn't make the Halls and Shepherd bad owners and anybody else "better". i never said they were bad owners,no matter how much you attempt to make out thats what i think. i do however think they were going backwards in 2007,had been for 3 or 4 years and didn't look like turning it round . speculative. We had good owners, now we have bad owners we had to borrow to get by day to day and i personally believe we'd have got relegated with allardyce. neither owners are good or bad. one lot gambled more than the other, fine when the gambles pay off and they were lucky to get out before the price had to be paid. only good owners qualify for europe more than 4 other clubs. End of story. what about owners who drop from 3rd to bottom half and get the club into a position where everyone thinks they are in a very dangerous position financially and prospective buyers take a quick look at the books then leg it ? freds 10 years, 6 bottom half finishes. club in 1991 couldn't sell for 1.25m quid, half the fee paid 3 years earlier for Gazza. Now it is sold for between 100m and 200m quid, one of the biggest turnovers in the country ? Don't talk to me about the value of the club to prospective owners. yes they done well for a time. how many times do i have to tell you. says something though when the only person who'll touch it doesn't do due dilligence ? have it your way man. They have gone. We lost good owners, you have what you wanted. we lost owners who had done good, then done bad. have it your way. We have an owner now who will never do as well, and as only 4 clubs did better, it might be a long time until someone else does. Still, you have what you wanted. the owners we had jan 1st 2007 would never had done aswell as the owners we had 3 years before. link me to where i say this is what i wanted. it's what you wanted, a position where we can't spend anything due to the stupidity and failed gambles of the past. what about the other 12 years ? Cherry picking. Again, you have what you wanted. You wanted them out. So stop complaining. of course it's cherry picking. you see the recent is a better guide. it's a bit like in the business world. the recent 3 years will tell you more than 3 years in the 90's. freds 10 years.....6 bottom half finishes. last 3 years all had the spectre of relegation over them even when finishing 7th. do you not think the last 3 years of someones tenure is long enough and recent enough to say which way things are goign ? you have what you wanted. We now have a board who will never match the old board, and you might be waiting a long time for someone else to match them too. been looking but i can't find your congratulation thread to ashley for improving in his first season where fred left us in his last ? oh i noticed you didn't answer the question either.....well fancy that. what about the Halls and "Freds" other 14 seasons ? Cherry picking. When exactly do you think Ashley - or anybody - will get us back into europe again ? You have what you wanted. Be happy. no idea,but fred wasn't going to get us back there. obviuosly fred and co wern't a patch on westwood,westwood won something eh ? ridsdale done a great job at leeds (if you forget where he left them) Ridsdale ? Cherry picking again. Why Leeds, why not Arsenal or Liverpool ? Inferring Westwood was better than the Halls and Liverpool is most laughable thing you've ever posted btw because some spent more than they could afford (us and leeds). lets see if any if those drop out the top 4 for a couple of seasons. think they'd spend and build up wages like we did ?. they were clever and built when in the top 4. sorry about putting questions in there. i know you don't do answers. edit. the westwood bit was taking the piss out of your view of things. ie they done well ages a go so they couldn't be s*** now. incredible as it may sound, one day one of them WILL drop out of the top 4. Lets hope for their sakes that their supporters don't start to think that they have s*** directors just for dropping out of the top 4. that would depend on the reasons for the dropping out and what they do about it. aye, all they have to do is borrow money, and find the right manager just like everybody else does. Alternatively, they could get rid of their best players and buy cheaper replacement to keep the books in order. what they would have to do is appoint a better manager than one who the rest of the league laughed at us for appointing (twice). alternativly they could keep the finances in check so any debts were affordable. the only time i can actually remember us selling anyone to balance the books in the prem era was when we sold les ferdinand. ashley was a right mug forn doing that eh ? aye, of course. We are the only club who others laugh at. If you say so. nah, i laughed at sunderland when they appointed wilkinson. and they are now laughing at us now aren't they, since...eeerr.... Ashley took over the club ? they would have laughed had they not been so s*** at the time. edit. plenty have been laughing at us since robson left. ah. What a shame. Plenty laugh at ManU too its tough being a football supporter isn't it I take it you are talking about people on message boards, or do you know an extensive amount of people outside the area who all support teams better than we have been ? no, you don't get humour do you ? (sorry my fault, another question) you can laugh at people better off than yourself when they f*** up. like we did/are. humour ? haha.......I don't get mortally offended if someone laughs at my football team ......... its the name of the game. Nobody ever laughed at any of the comments made by Shepherd that "embarrassed" ..... most of the people I know were jealous as hell of us in fact. At least you admit that we are/were better than most, so what are you complaining about ? Oh aye, its because we aren't better than most anymore are we the only thing i complain about is your perception of nufc circa 2007 you don't reply.........I take it that your experience of being "laughed at" is via message boards then ? i've pm'd you before about my experience of fans of other clubs.

wow . check thise odds

i'll save them for some other time.

You old b****** It'll be a rocking affair man! Loads of ABBA, no doubt. very much 90's ibiza, though we left as spandau ballet came on.

has anyone actually read HRT's posts yet ? I was tempted but life is too short

yeah well em....err fair enough ?