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I think its embarrassing. I also think that if Shepherd had did it he would have been slaughtered. Such is the way though. Not that I'm embarrassed personally. In fact I'm more embarrassed by the blatant hypocrisy if anything. What hypocrisy? Shepherd never did anything like that in order to make a compareable reaction. Newcastle United supporters like a chairman who presides over a club that imposes wage restrictions, loses its best players and lose out on major transfer dealings, but they think he's a great bloke because he does the conga ? And you wonder why people laugh ? Supporters of the successful clubs will be pissing themselves laughing at such crap and rightly so. Of all the people that found the incident funny, i bet there was a selection of both those that thought he did a good job, and those that thought he did a bad job. They were laughing at the situation tbh; people would have to be very short-sighted if the hilarity of the conga in Quinn's face is an equal measure of his performance at the club. I'm sorry mate, but I honestly don't really care about this. I think its completely irrelevant to anything. It certainly doesn't mean someone is a good chairman, and I'm sure if you and the people on here who actually have a brain are honest with themselves, you will agree. I'll judge Chris Mort on the players we didn't sign and the players we wanted to sign but were beaten to by an inferior club if thats alright. so you'll judge the previous board on the players they went after and didn't get ? I'll judge them on the players they did get that qualified for europe and the Champions League massively more than any other period in the clubs history. Unless you care to dispute this ? i never have and you know that....however there weren't any during the souness or roeder years and i don't think allardyce would have either. dare i suggest that we were going backwards for 3 years on and off the pitch. unless you care to dispute this ? Owen, Martins........ signed during the reigns of these managers. For big fees too, fancy that. We only qualified for europe once in 3 years, shocking. You are forgetting we finished 7th under Roeder, a position that we bettered once during the whole of the 1960's, 70's and 80's. You have high expectations ? Who raised them for you then ? What do mean about going backwards "off the pitch" ? Do you think they should have expanded the stadium again or something ? Funny that like. mackems.gif Can I file you in the KBJ corner ? you don't think we were going backwards on the pitch ? off the pitch i meant racking up debts that the on pitch side couldn't sustain. KBJ ? you know i'm not. my opinion is we werent going to qualify for europe any time soon,appeared to be getting worse and the debts were getting bigger......not a good situatiion. I just think that - as I always said - there was nothing wrong that a good manager wouldn't put right. And its unrealistic to expect to make good choices every time. The main thing is the bricks were in place ie a board prepared to compete with the big boys and understanding this. It doesn't matter what sort of perceived "professional" setup you have behind the scenes, if the board don't have the ambition and aren't prepared to reach for the top prizes and the top other clubs, you will never join them. Because football has moved into a new era of mega rich owners, NUFC too have to keep pace with the other clubs and if the Halls and Shepherd couldn't match them then someone better is always welcome. So long as they are better, but replacing directors who have done well for the club with better ones was never going to be so automatic and easy as people thought. Which is all I've ever said. But I'm far from convinced about Ashley. Just right now, they [ie he and his appointed chairman]have shown themselves to be naive and lacking in this ambition. what bricks ? 3 very poor managerial choices off the belt,worsening on the field and rising debts ? no one denies the euro qualifications but they were fast disappearing over the horizon by 2007 and in no matter what field you are in if you preside over 3 years of worsening results that could well be attributable to your decisions your position will be in question regardless of your previous history.

I think its embarrassing. I also think that if Shepherd had did it he would have been slaughtered. Such is the way though. Not that I'm embarrassed personally. In fact I'm more embarrassed by the blatant hypocrisy if anything. What hypocrisy? Shepherd never did anything like that in order to make a compareable reaction. Newcastle United supporters like a chairman who presides over a club that imposes wage restrictions, loses its best players and lose out on major transfer dealings, but they think he's a great bloke because he does the conga ? And you wonder why people laugh ? Supporters of the successful clubs will be pissing themselves laughing at such crap and rightly so. Of all the people that found the incident funny, i bet there was a selection of both those that thought he did a good job, and those that thought he did a bad job. They were laughing at the situation tbh; people would have to be very short-sighted if the hilarity of the conga in Quinn's face is an equal measure of his performance at the club. I'm sorry mate, but I honestly don't really care about this. I think its completely irrelevant to anything. It certainly doesn't mean someone is a good chairman, and I'm sure if you and the people on here who actually have a brain are honest with themselves, you will agree. I'll judge Chris Mort on the players we didn't sign and the players we wanted to sign but were beaten to by an inferior club if thats alright. so you'll judge the previous board on the players they went after and didn't get ? I'll judge them on the players they did get that qualified for europe and the Champions League massively more than any other period in the clubs history. Unless you care to dispute this ? i never have and you know that....however there weren't any during the souness or roeder years and i don't think allardyce would have either. dare i suggest that we were going backwards for 3 years on and off the pitch. unless you care to dispute this ? Owen, Martins........ signed during the reigns of these managers. For big fees too, fancy that. We only qualified for europe once in 3 years, shocking. You are forgetting we finished 7th under Roeder, a position that we bettered once during the whole of the 1960's, 70's and 80's. You have high expectations ? Who raised them for you then ? What do mean about going backwards "off the pitch" ? Do you think they should have expanded the stadium again or something ? Funny that like. mackems.gif Can I file you in the KBJ corner ? you don't think we were going backwards on the pitch ? off the pitch i meant racking up debts that the on pitch side couldn't sustain. KBJ ? you know i'm not. my opinion is we werent going to qualify for europe any time soon,appeared to be getting worse and the debts were getting bigger......not a good situatiion.

I think its embarrassing. I also think that if Shepherd had did it he would have been slaughtered. Such is the way though. Not that I'm embarrassed personally. In fact I'm more embarrassed by the blatant hypocrisy if anything. What hypocrisy? Shepherd never did anything like that in order to make a compareable reaction. Newcastle United supporters like a chairman who presides over a club that imposes wage restrictions, loses its best players and lose out on major transfer dealings, but they think he's a great bloke because he does the conga ? And you wonder why people laugh ? Supporters of the successful clubs will be pissing themselves laughing at such crap and rightly so. Of all the people that found the incident funny, i bet there was a selection of both those that thought he did a good job, and those that thought he did a bad job. They were laughing at the situation tbh; people would have to be very short-sighted if the hilarity of the conga in Quinn's face is an equal measure of his performance at the club. I'm sorry mate, but I honestly don't really care about this. I think its completely irrelevant to anything. It certainly doesn't mean someone is a good chairman, and I'm sure if you and the people on here who actually have a brain are honest with themselves, you will agree. I'll judge Chris Mort on the players we didn't sign and the players we wanted to sign but were beaten to by an inferior club if thats alright. so you'll judge the previous board on the players they went after and didn't get ? I'll judge them on the players they did get that qualified for europe and the Champions League massively more than any other period in the clubs history. Unless you care to dispute this ? i never have and you know that....however there weren't any during the souness or roeder years and i don't think allardyce would have either. dare i suggest that we were going backwards for 3 years on and off the pitch. unless you care to dispute this ?

I think its embarrassing. I also think that if Shepherd had did it he would have been slaughtered. Such is the way though. Not that I'm embarrassed personally. In fact I'm more embarrassed by the blatant hypocrisy if anything. What hypocrisy? Shepherd never did anything like that in order to make a compareable reaction. Newcastle United supporters like a chairman who presides over a club that imposes wage restrictions, loses its best players and lose out on major transfer dealings, but they think he's a great bloke because he does the conga ? And you wonder why people laugh ? Supporters of the successful clubs will be pissing themselves laughing at such crap and rightly so. Of all the people that found the incident funny, i bet there was a selection of both those that thought he did a good job, and those that thought he did a bad job. They were laughing at the situation tbh; people would have to be very short-sighted if the hilarity of the conga in Quinn's face is an equal measure of his performance at the club. I'm sorry mate, but I honestly don't really care about this. I think its completely irrelevant to anything. It certainly doesn't mean someone is a good chairman, and I'm sure if you and the people on here who actually have a brain are honest with themselves, you will agree. I'll judge Chris Mort on the players we didn't sign and the players we wanted to sign but were beaten to by an inferior club if thats alright. You seem to care I don't. I just feel sorry for people who think a good chairman of a football club is so because he does the conga Priceless mackems.gif or one who drives the club into massive crippling debt. mackems.gif mackems.gif to acheive lower mid table finishes while racking up these debts mackems.gif mackems.gif

I think its embarrassing. I also think that if Shepherd had did it he would have been slaughtered. Such is the way though. Not that I'm embarrassed personally. In fact I'm more embarrassed by the blatant hypocrisy if anything. What hypocrisy? Shepherd never did anything like that in order to make a compareable reaction. Newcastle United supporters like a chairman who presides over a club that imposes wage restrictions, loses its best players and lose out on major transfer dealings, but they think he's a great bloke because he does the conga ? And you wonder why people laugh ? Supporters of the successful clubs will be pissing themselves laughing at such crap and rightly so. Of all the people that found the incident funny, i bet there was a selection of both those that thought he did a good job, and those that thought he did a bad job. They were laughing at the situation tbh; people would have to be very short-sighted if the hilarity of the conga in Quinn's face is an equal measure of his performance at the club. I'm sorry mate, but I honestly don't really care about this. I think its completely irrelevant to anything. It certainly doesn't mean someone is a good chairman, and I'm sure if you and the people on here who actually have a brain are honest with themselves, you will agree. I'll judge Chris Mort on the players we didn't sign and the players we wanted to sign but were beaten to by an inferior club if thats alright. so you'll judge the previous board on the players they went after and didn't get ?

I think its embarrassing. I also think that if Shepherd had did it he would have been slaughtered. Such is the way though. Not that I'm embarrassed personally. In fact I'm more embarrassed by the blatant hypocrisy if anything. Oh the irony............ prepare to be challenged

never heard of him...where are the FM'ers when you need them

that is brilliant its bloody stupid you have your opinion

He's an England international with a chequered fitness record, that's why other clubs have been reluctant to take him off our hands previously. I still think they'll think long and hard before offering more than we are. Fair points. But when Real Madrid were willing to let him go Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal didn't need a striker at that time, Liverpool did but for obvious reasons didn't want to have to buy him back at much more than they'd let him go for. We did, so we gazumped them, offered him a kings wage and he took it. There was no-one else in for him as this transfer predates a lot of the recent take-overs and extra Sky money (not 100% on the Sky money, but think its only just been massively increased in the last season or two). He' played the last 6 months or so injury-free, played well, looked sharp and scored goals - if we don't pay the going rate someone else will. Well what is the going rate, bearing in mind his best performances have been in midfield? When played up front he's looked pedestrian, and I'm not sure which club out there is going to pay him any more than we will. midfield ?....you do believe the blurb dont ya ? Call it what you will, it's not up front. i call it playing off a front man...as was martins He seemed to be dropping a lot deeper to me but in any case it's not the important issue. How many clubs will pay 80k+ a week for a player with Owen's injury history? The big teams won't, they'll be going after stars on the rise. So who does that leave as a better alternative to us? i agree..i think he'll stay.

Galatasaray obviously don't think that's likely otherwise they'd have done a deal by now. Besides, The Euros is likely to be played at a less frenetic pace than club football, maybe they think it will be a better stage for playmakers? just seems like we've offered below their valuation (if indeed we have bid). nowt to do with euro 2008.

No offence, mate, but that took your three days to think up? Not to your usual standard. i was thinking that

He's an England international with a chequered fitness record, that's why other clubs have been reluctant to take him off our hands previously. I still think they'll think long and hard before offering more than we are. Fair points. But when Real Madrid were willing to let him go Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal didn't need a striker at that time, Liverpool did but for obvious reasons didn't want to have to buy him back at much more than they'd let him go for. We did, so we gazumped them, offered him a kings wage and he took it. There was no-one else in for him as this transfer predates a lot of the recent take-overs and extra Sky money (not 100% on the Sky money, but think its only just been massively increased in the last season or two). He' played the last 6 months or so injury-free, played well, looked sharp and scored goals - if we don't pay the going rate someone else will. Well what is the going rate, bearing in mind his best performances have been in midfield? When played up front he's looked pedestrian, and I'm not sure which club out there is going to pay him any more than we will. midfield ?....you do believe the blurb dont ya ? Call it what you will, it's not up front. i call it playing off a front man...as was martins

He's an England international with a chequered fitness record, that's why other clubs have been reluctant to take him off our hands previously. I still think they'll think long and hard before offering more than we are. Fair points. But when Real Madrid were willing to let him go Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal didn't need a striker at that time, Liverpool did but for obvious reasons didn't want to have to buy him back at much more than they'd let him go for. We did, so we gazumped them, offered him a kings wage and he took it. There was no-one else in for him as this transfer predates a lot of the recent take-overs and extra Sky money (not 100% on the Sky money, but think its only just been massively increased in the last season or two). He' played the last 6 months or so injury-free, played well, looked sharp and scored goals - if we don't pay the going rate someone else will. Well what is the going rate, bearing in mind his best performances have been in midfield? When played up front he's looked pedestrian, and I'm not sure which club out there is going to pay him any more than we will. midfield ?....you do believe the blurb dont ya ?

i'd be quite happy with the first 4 games being man utd,chelsea,arsenal and liverpool all away....then i'd think from then till the end of the season we have a chance of getting something from every game.

that quote is worth getting put on a t-shirt

honestly speaking it should be the next bulgarian team but i wouldn't put it past uefa to find a way to squeeze in another team from one of the richer leagues and it wouild just be bloody typical of us to get it.

except right now man utd is the better team. football wise moving to real madrid is not a step up.

nice thought but if a player has a choice of low basic and high based on performance or some club just offers the high basic in order to tempt him....where will he go ?

i'm more concerned about the guy in the foreground left..is he eating an old bag ladies head. ?

that is brilliant

everyone is available at the right price

donkeyshite to you anarl (auf pet)

can you tell me why we should be more trusting of the turkish or german press than we aren't of the british press ?

some more than others.....some to the point of being brazen .

Nice. Have him over Keegan any day myself. Doesn't change the fact that he is a c*** though. Complete hypocracy for him to berate Madrid for trying to get Ronaldo when he/Man Utd has done that so many times. Hargreaves from Bayern being the latest case (before Bayern finally agreed to sell him). Same old, same old Fergie, rules and principles that he wants other clubs to adhere to apparently do not apply to Man Utd. Top coach but still a c*** of the highest order. To right Put simply, if Madrid were to ask FIFA to turn the same spotlight on Fergie it would open up a can of worms big enough for Bob Nudd to empty every river in the land of its pike population. The only question to be asked about Ferguson and tapping-up is where do you begin? Let's stick with the last decade and start with the most publicised example: Jaap Stam detailing in his autobiography the precise methods employed by Fergie in 1998 to tap him up when he was still at PSV Eindhoven. Ferguson wasn't investigated but Stam was shipped out, according to the Dutchman, for spilling the beans. Remember in 2003 when United tried to sign Ronaldinho from Paris St Germain? Here's what their president Francis Graille said: "Manchester have not played the game in line with FIFA regulations. "They have negotiated directly with the player. Even if they have got agreement from the player, they haven't got agreement from his club." In the January of that year Sunderland chairman Bob Murray described Fergie's approaches to David Bellion as "shabby, despicable, disrespectful, arrogant and unprofessional". And the previous summer United were accused of tapping-up Rennes full-back Julien Escude, after the France Under-21 international player claimed Ferguson had spoken to him on his mobile phone. Ask Leeds and Everton about the behind-the-scenes connivance with Rio Ferdinand's and Wayne Rooney's agents before they moved to Old Trafford. Ask Fulham's Mohammed Al Fayed why he raged about Fergie "constantly unsettling my players" as he pursued Luis Saha. Ask Bayern Munich chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge why he said in 2006: "We have told Manchester United that they should stop trying to tempt Owen Hargreaves. If they don't, then we will have to turn to FIFA." But best of all, ask PSV Eindhoven's chairman Harry van Raaij about Fergie's behaviour in courting Ruud van Nistelrooy in 2000. Specifically his quote "he has crossed the line of decency". Then ask him why, in 2004, when Arjen Robben was given the red-carpet treatment at United's training ground while still a PSV player, van Raaij flew into a rage and said: "It is Ferguson's way of doing business. A leopard never changes his spots." I could go on but you get the picture. Before Ferguson conjures up images of the Madrid dictator Franco he should look hard into his mirror. For him to question the morals of another club when it comes exerting psychological pressure on a player he's set his sights on, is laughable. To think a FIFA inquiry into deals which haven't gone strictly by the book would put another club in a worse light than his own, is dangerously deluded. It must be down to the ease with which he has run rings around the petrified English authorities (as currently exemplified by the FA appealing against themselves for bizarrely letting Fergie and his assistant Carlos Queiroz off an improper conduct charge after attacking referee Martin Atkinson and his boss Keith Hackett). Fergie knows better than anyone that one of the major reasons for his phenomenal success has been an ability to tie up deals with some of the world's best players. Deals which, for every club in the world, often mean stretching the rule-book to the limits. Hypocrisy, eh? Bloody hell. "Fergie knows better than anyone that one of the reasons for his success has been an ability to tie up deals with some of the world's best players" You could add to that the Man Utd shirt with Carrick's name on it that Neville presented to him in Germany during the World Cup, shipped over specially by Ferguson. A truly great manager, yes, but he's no angel. Fergie knows every dirty trick in the book and will use every one to get what he wants. add mexes to that list,and hofland