madras

you'd never think marveaux is viewed as a winger in france would you ?

first time he's really played through the middle on his own, go figure.

Ketsbaia had a mention ?

He's got to go now. Amazing enough that shola and Jonas start but them both to get a full 90 is enough to let him go.

other clubs etc ? lets talk about it, it's a decent way to gauge your own squad. the second sentence makes sense to me, what do others think (if not get back to me on sunday) the third sentence is strange as you've tried to make out i've said something i didn't, all i was asking was even with this squad do you think we should be where we are ? it's pretty straight forward, not accusing you of anything, just asking about the squad in relative terms to where the personel could be.

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season. don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us. We have 21 points after 22 games. Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?" To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season: Player Apps Tim Krul 18 Fabricio Coloccini 14 Davide Santon 22 Yohan Cabaye 9+1 Danny Simpson 15+1 Mike Williamson 17 Vurnon Anita 15+3 Papiss Cissé 19+1 Hatem Ben Arfa 13 James Perch 14+3 Ryan Taylor 0+1 Jonás Gutiérrez 18 Demba Ba 19+1 Gaël Bigirimana 3+8 Sylvain Marveaux 6+7 Shola Ameobi 3+11 Cheick Tioté 13+1 Gabriel Obertan 3+8 Mathieu Debuchy 1 Steven Taylor 10+1 Sammy Ameobi 1+7 Nile Ranger 0+2 Shane Ferguson 4+5 James Tavernier 0+2 Steve Harper 4 thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. Are you for real? Honestly, hang on a second. Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew? Given the appearance figures I've posted? Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise. no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team. Fair enough then, it reads differently to me. At the moment it seems to me that everyone is to blame to varying degrees - Ashley, Llambias, Pardew, staff, experienced players, young players - it's all been a massive f*** up from the summer 2012 until now. And because no party is an overwhelming scapegoat, nobody is getting the finger pointed at them too enthusiastically yet. But it'll happen at some point and quite often the manager bears the brunt. Above all else, this season after last is just totally unacceptable - last season shouldn't have been built on sand in theory but we've just completely and utterly f***ing blown it and it's so likely to come back to haunt us. Everton probably managed to keep most of their players after they finished 4th bottom for a start, and I doubt we'll be so lucky. transfer wise it's easy to cast blame but we haven't got a clue whats going on. on the pitch is different, it's very transparent and we know pardew has got it wrong. I think it's quite black and white transfer-wise - we lost Best, Lovenkrands, Guthrie and Smith (only significant in terms of wages) last summer and we only bought one proven player in (Anita). That was despite having needed a centre half since summer 2011 and in the knowledge we'd been lucky with injuries the previous season and had more games and travel upcoming due to us qualifying for Europe. There's no excuse for that happening, it doesn't matter about your arguments in relation to intent and all the rest of it - you make it sound like we had 3 or 4 targets that we just missed out on and for that reason we need to bite the bullet and stay patient until the next transfer window. It shouldn't work like that when it's costing you points week after week, you need to avoid leaving your squad short by hook or by crook. i'd say we hadn't been lucky with injuries, ben arfa out for a while, steven taylor likewise, even santon, guthrie didn'y play all those games through suspensions ! many clubs are short in certain positions, ask the mackems how long they wanted a left back for, look at spurs up front beyond adebayour and defoe, glenn johnson's played left back this season hasn't he ? you get me wrong, i don't say stay patient, i say get evidence. in what walks of life will you slag someone off when you really haven't got a clue whats went on ? 1) You've watched us for longer than I have. I've watched us for about 20 seasons and last season was one of the luckiest we've had for injuries, I swear to God I'm not imagining that. Ben Arfa had to ease himself back in yes, Taylor had his usual half season out, but apart from that - nah. Nothing more than the odd knock, and not very many simultaneously. 2) I'm not talking to you about the "many clubs" argument, I find it incredibly tedious. I'm bothered about NUFC and we play Mike Williamson in over 3 quarters of our games. We have 2 centre forwards and one of them is Shola Ameobi. 3) Get evidence. My evidence was that we were 4 players down and 1 player up last summer when we actually needed to increase the size of our squad. I'm judged on results at work, are you? One of the board's 'results' is equipping the manager with a good enough squad to compete. Honestly, f***ing hell. 1) take a look at the appearances for last season, see how many games williamson, obertan, raylor, guthrie played. (not including best as that was pre cisse_ 2) just pointing out that other clubs have the same problem. 3) dodgy one. yes the squad should be bigger (see point 2) and in my opinion the manager has had the tools and misused them. check my history after practically every game. The reason that those relatively s**** players played so many games last season is due to how thin the squad was/is, and only an idiot or thoroughly stubborn and contrary person couldn't see or articulate that as an obvious reality. 11 purples means s**** players get lots of games. Again, I'm not that bothered about other clubs, this is just one of your 3 or 4 very tedious arguments that people generally can't be arsed to argue against. I don't even know or care who Sunderland's left back is and Spurs have enough players in other positions to compensate for their lack of strikers given the way the modern game is played. Your point about Glenn Johnson playing left back is beyond belief, I don't even know where to start. The actual point here is we needed to improve our squad last year in the face of quite clear evidence that we'd been riding our luck with injuries (that is if you've been paying attention to our injury list over recent years) and the reality that we'd have at least 6 more games and lots more travelling due to getting into Europe. We ended up with less players than we started and you think we can't judge because we "don't know what's went on". If I was asked to do something at work and I didn't achieve it, they wouldn't give a f*** if I had a cold or the systems were down or whatever. The people at the top of NUFC had a duty to do right by the club last summer and no amount of mitigating circumstances get them off the hook. take a look round, many of those other clubs have "relativly shitty players", ignore it if you want but it's the reality. the quite clear evidence you speak of, what is it ? the evidence i see is 4 squad players playing not far off half a season or more, I wouldn't class that as getting off lightly. i'm not denying we should have strangthened but we've had enough not to be where we are, do you think we've made the best of what we've got ?

About 1.5% of what he's paid. Btw Redknapp himself said the other week Bosingwa is on £65k. I thought he knew nothing and didn't deal with any of the financial stuff ?

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season. don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us. We have 21 points after 22 games. Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?" To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season: Player Apps Tim Krul 18 Fabricio Coloccini 14 Davide Santon 22 Yohan Cabaye 9+1 Danny Simpson 15+1 Mike Williamson 17 Vurnon Anita 15+3 Papiss Cissé 19+1 Hatem Ben Arfa 13 James Perch 14+3 Ryan Taylor 0+1 Jonás Gutiérrez 18 Demba Ba 19+1 Gaël Bigirimana 3+8 Sylvain Marveaux 6+7 Shola Ameobi 3+11 Cheick Tioté 13+1 Gabriel Obertan 3+8 Mathieu Debuchy 1 Steven Taylor 10+1 Sammy Ameobi 1+7 Nile Ranger 0+2 Shane Ferguson 4+5 James Tavernier 0+2 Steve Harper 4 thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. Are you for real? Honestly, hang on a second. Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew? Given the appearance figures I've posted? Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise. no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team. Fair enough then, it reads differently to me. At the moment it seems to me that everyone is to blame to varying degrees - Ashley, Llambias, Pardew, staff, experienced players, young players - it's all been a massive f*** up from the summer 2012 until now. And because no party is an overwhelming scapegoat, nobody is getting the finger pointed at them too enthusiastically yet. But it'll happen at some point and quite often the manager bears the brunt. Above all else, this season after last is just totally unacceptable - last season shouldn't have been built on sand in theory but we've just completely and utterly f***ing blown it and it's so likely to come back to haunt us. Everton probably managed to keep most of their players after they finished 4th bottom for a start, and I doubt we'll be so lucky. transfer wise it's easy to cast blame but we haven't got a clue whats going on. on the pitch is different, it's very transparent and we know pardew has got it wrong. I think it's quite black and white transfer-wise - we lost Best, Lovenkrands, Guthrie and Smith (only significant in terms of wages) last summer and we only bought one proven player in (Anita). That was despite having needed a centre half since summer 2011 and in the knowledge we'd been lucky with injuries the previous season and had more games and travel upcoming due to us qualifying for Europe. There's no excuse for that happening, it doesn't matter about your arguments in relation to intent and all the rest of it - you make it sound like we had 3 or 4 targets that we just missed out on and for that reason we need to bite the bullet and stay patient until the next transfer window. It shouldn't work like that when it's costing you points week after week, you need to avoid leaving your squad short by hook or by crook. i'd say we hadn't been lucky with injuries, ben arfa out for a while, steven taylor likewise, even santon, guthrie didn'y play all those games through suspensions ! many clubs are short in certain positions, ask the mackems how long they wanted a left back for, look at spurs up front beyond adebayour and defoe, glenn johnson's played left back this season hasn't he ? you get me wrong, i don't say stay patient, i say get evidence. in what walks of life will you slag someone off when you really haven't got a clue whats went on ? 1) You've watched us for longer than I have. I've watched us for about 20 seasons and last season was one of the luckiest we've had for injuries, I swear to God I'm not imagining that. Ben Arfa had to ease himself back in yes, Taylor had his usual half season out, but apart from that - nah. Nothing more than the odd knock, and not very many simultaneously. 2) I'm not talking to you about the "many clubs" argument, I find it incredibly tedious. I'm bothered about NUFC and we play Mike Williamson in over 3 quarters of our games. We have 2 centre forwards and one of them is Shola Ameobi. 3) Get evidence. My evidence was that we were 4 players down and 1 player up last summer when we actually needed to increase the size of our squad. I'm judged on results at work, are you? One of the board's 'results' is equipping the manager with a good enough squad to compete. Honestly, f***ing hell. 1) take a look at the appearances for last season, see how many games williamson, obertan, raylor, guthrie played. (not including best as that was pre cisse_ 2) just pointing out that other clubs have the same problem. 3) dodgy one. yes the squad should be bigger (see point 2) and in my opinion the manager has had the tools and misused them. check my history after practically every game.

If the player wants to go, he will. aye...............but where ?

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season. don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us. We have 21 points after 22 games. Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?" To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season: Player Apps Tim Krul 18 Fabricio Coloccini 14 Davide Santon 22 Yohan Cabaye 9+1 Danny Simpson 15+1 Mike Williamson 17 Vurnon Anita 15+3 Papiss Cissé 19+1 Hatem Ben Arfa 13 James Perch 14+3 Ryan Taylor 0+1 Jonás Gutiérrez 18 Demba Ba 19+1 Gaël Bigirimana 3+8 Sylvain Marveaux 6+7 Shola Ameobi 3+11 Cheick Tioté 13+1 Gabriel Obertan 3+8 Mathieu Debuchy 1 Steven Taylor 10+1 Sammy Ameobi 1+7 Nile Ranger 0+2 Shane Ferguson 4+5 James Tavernier 0+2 Steve Harper 4 thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. Are you for real? Honestly, hang on a second. Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew? Given the appearance figures I've posted? Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise. no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team. Fair enough then, it reads differently to me. At the moment it seems to me that everyone is to blame to varying degrees - Ashley, Llambias, Pardew, staff, experienced players, young players - it's all been a massive f*** up from the summer 2012 until now. And because no party is an overwhelming scapegoat, nobody is getting the finger pointed at them too enthusiastically yet. But it'll happen at some point and quite often the manager bears the brunt. Above all else, this season after last is just totally unacceptable - last season shouldn't have been built on sand in theory but we've just completely and utterly f***ing blown it and it's so likely to come back to haunt us. Everton probably managed to keep most of their players after they finished 4th bottom for a start, and I doubt we'll be so lucky. transfer wise it's easy to cast blame but we haven't got a clue whats going on. on the pitch is different, it's very transparent and we know pardew has got it wrong. I think it's quite black and white transfer-wise - we lost Best, Lovenkrands, Guthrie and Smith (only significant in terms of wages) last summer and we only bought one proven player in (Anita). That was despite having needed a centre half since summer 2011 and in the knowledge we'd been lucky with injuries the previous season and had more games and travel upcoming due to us qualifying for Europe. There's no excuse for that happening, it doesn't matter about your arguments in relation to intent and all the rest of it - you make it sound like we had 3 or 4 targets that we just missed out on and for that reason we need to bite the bullet and stay patient until the next transfer window. It shouldn't work like that when it's costing you points week after week, you need to avoid leaving your squad short by hook or by crook. i'd say we hadn't been lucky with injuries, ben arfa out for a while, steven taylor likewise, even santon, guthrie didn'y play all those games through suspensions ! many clubs are short in certain positions, ask the mackems how long they wanted a left back for, look at spurs up front beyond adebayour and defoe, glenn johnson's played left back this season hasn't he ? you get me wrong, i don't say stay patient, i say get evidence. in what walks of life will you slag someone off when you really haven't got a clue whats went on ?

why ? does it say he's signed or we have merely lodged a bid ?

you'll only lose your watch from what you've told us about her.

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season. don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us. We have 21 points after 22 games. Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?" To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season: Player Apps Tim Krul 18 Fabricio Coloccini 14 Davide Santon 22 Yohan Cabaye 9+1 Danny Simpson 15+1 Mike Williamson 17 Vurnon Anita 15+3 Papiss Cissé 19+1 Hatem Ben Arfa 13 James Perch 14+3 Ryan Taylor 0+1 Jonás Gutiérrez 18 Demba Ba 19+1 Gaël Bigirimana 3+8 Sylvain Marveaux 6+7 Shola Ameobi 3+11 Cheick Tioté 13+1 Gabriel Obertan 3+8 Mathieu Debuchy 1 Steven Taylor 10+1 Sammy Ameobi 1+7 Nile Ranger 0+2 Shane Ferguson 4+5 James Tavernier 0+2 Steve Harper 4 thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. Are you for real? Honestly, hang on a second. Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew? Given the appearance figures I've posted? Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise. no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team. Fair enough then, it reads differently to me. At the moment it seems to me that everyone is to blame to varying degrees - Ashley, Llambias, Pardew, staff, experienced players, young players - it's all been a massive f*** up from the summer 2012 until now. And because no party is an overwhelming scapegoat, nobody is getting the finger pointed at them too enthusiastically yet. But it'll happen at some point and quite often the manager bears the brunt. Above all else, this season after last is just totally unacceptable - last season shouldn't have been built on sand in theory but we've just completely and utterly f***ing blown it and it's so likely to come back to haunt us. Everton probably managed to keep most of their players after they finished 4th bottom for a start, and I doubt we'll be so lucky. transfer wise it's easy to cast blame but we haven't got a clue whats going on. on the pitch is different, it's very transparent and we know pardew has got it wrong.

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season. don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us. We have 21 points after 22 games. Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?" To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season: Player Apps Tim Krul 18 Fabricio Coloccini 14 Davide Santon 22 Yohan Cabaye 9+1 Danny Simpson 15+1 Mike Williamson 17 Vurnon Anita 15+3 Papiss Cissé 19+1 Hatem Ben Arfa 13 James Perch 14+3 Ryan Taylor 0+1 Jonás Gutiérrez 18 Demba Ba 19+1 Gaël Bigirimana 3+8 Sylvain Marveaux 6+7 Shola Ameobi 3+11 Cheick Tioté 13+1 Gabriel Obertan 3+8 Mathieu Debuchy 1 Steven Taylor 10+1 Sammy Ameobi 1+7 Nile Ranger 0+2 Shane Ferguson 4+5 James Tavernier 0+2 Steve Harper 4 thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said. Are you for real? Honestly, hang on a second. Are you saying that Moyes had a poor season but that it was understandable given what he had at his disposable and that we can say similar about Pardew? Given the appearance figures I've posted? Just want to clarify that point, before I argue otherwise. no, i'm saying what i said in the bit you emboldend. seems plain to me, pardew has a lot more at his disposal than moyes had, maybe neil can cast more light on that as i'm not too clever on that everton team. edit...what did the bit you emboldened think i meant ?

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season. don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us. We have 21 points after 22 games. Do you think that's anywhere near acceptable with what Pardew's had "at his disposal?" To help you, and for the avoidance of doubt and total waffle, here is every player in our squad with 1+ league appearance this season: Player Apps Tim Krul 18 Fabricio Coloccini 14 Davide Santon 22 Yohan Cabaye 9+1 Danny Simpson 15+1 Mike Williamson 17 Vurnon Anita 15+3 Papiss Cissé 19+1 Hatem Ben Arfa 13 James Perch 14+3 Ryan Taylor 0+1 Jonás Gutiérrez 18 Demba Ba 19+1 Gaël Bigirimana 3+8 Sylvain Marveaux 6+7 Shola Ameobi 3+11 Cheick Tioté 13+1 Gabriel Obertan 3+8 Mathieu Debuchy 1 Steven Taylor 10+1 Sammy Ameobi 1+7 Nile Ranger 0+2 Shane Ferguson 4+5 James Tavernier 0+2 Steve Harper 4 thanks for re pointing out what i'd already said.

thats not quite how i pictured her.

would count for nowt if the reast of the team isn't set up right. edit, i mean they couldn't defend well if we don't defend as a team.

i'm with that (but i want to i want to i want to) guess i;m going to have to go where i always need to to find the latest on nufc (rtg).

anyone checked for validity/reliablility of the site ?

if true, 8million euro for him isn't spending money, it's cabayeish.

here harrry harry, come on boy.

didn't david moyes go through a similar after a good season. don't think many at everton were blaming him directly for mismanaging what he had at his disposal mind, neil may tell us.

i think if we just survive this season with the performances we are pulling out the summer might do for him IF ashleys finds a suitable (ie fits his criteria) replacement.

I don't mind losing deals when it's piddling amounts of money for back up/young players as is the case with this left back...What I find surreal is that we let our main target drift and wander away to the competition. The backstory is absurd. stuff tha backstory, the headline was he got an offer he was unlikely to get elsewhere, not just off us but from the vast majority.

Girl 1 been at the keyboard? na, me and girl 2. i think girl 1 would rather stay in the pub.