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Nay.

Want fans of the club you support to be the type who accept such a change? Go support another club. Simples.

I don't think its coincidence that our good run has coincided with a record breaking lull in off-field fuckwittery and circus.

Did the atmosphere in the stadium not contribute like? The general feeling we'd finally sorted things out and got some stability? Ok, let's see if it makes no odds.

Festive one, to deck the halls If you want to buy a sweater Fa la la la la, la la la la You'll find Kitbag so much better Fa la la la la, la la la la Sports Direct use sweat shop labour Fa la la, fa la la, fa la la Lillywhites sounds like a gay bar Fa la la la la, la la la la

Or to the same tune St James's Park Is where we play It was last year and it is today

Already said they won't on twitter.

When we know we have a 'like a new signing' coming in for free?

Reminds me of...

Not a penny. Would you rather he repaid £10m a year from the loan he has with the club? The free sponsorship is his way of getting his money's worth - weather cash comes in and goes back to MA or no money moves, same end result I would much rather he did that, at least then he would have to decrease the amount he claims to have put in the club. Exactly. None of this 'sponsorship' is going to paying back the money he loaned us and then squandered. Hell, take three and a half years worth out now, might as well, it's not going on players otherwise, is it?

Who inherits the club if anything should happen to Mike Ashley?

jesus christ, 3rd in the fucking league Season finished now like? That position was based on positivity which has now gone as far as I can see. I'd rather Mike took his loan back and fucked off, accept whatever league that might leave us and at least be able to have some pride in the club.

Would like to know how many of those are new grounds. Bay Arena - Bayer Leverkusen - 1958 Signal Iduna Park - Dortmund - 1974 badenova Stadium - Freiburg - 1953 Imtech Arena - Hamburg - 1953 AWD Arena - Hanover - 1954 Rhein Energy Stadium - Koln - 1923 easycredit Stadium - Nuremberg - 1928 Mercedes Benz Arena - Stuttgart - 1933 They are the older stadiums in Bundesliga 1 which have been renamed multiple times for many years. There are even more lower down the leagues. In deals which got the teams money. I'm not arguing against the people saying his brand being advertised is wrong. I am arguing with the "we have sold our history" people. I don't quite get your logic though, just because other teams have done this, it doesn't mean it isn't selling your history or your identity. Maybe other clubs have sold their souls, it doesn't mean we should be happy we're doing it. Go have a look on a video site at fans of those teams and then tell me they have sold their souls. You're missing the point, I'm not saying anything to do with the fans. We might recover in a few years time, and stop being annoyed about this. New generations might forget it was ever called SJP, so it won't matter to them. People who don't appreciate the symbolism of football will continue to ignore its importance. But that doesn't mean this move is right or should happen. Fundamentally in a perfect world it shouldn't but we live in reality and in reality FFP dictates the need to sell the stadium naming rights. It really doesn't, like. So where else will clubs make up the revenue they lose by not selling stadium naming rights. What revenue are we losing? If it wasn't there bother, how can we lose it? As things stand, we're not even making any money from this anyway. And we're losing money from all the free billboards taking up what were previously paid billboards. And if we're only willing to sell the shirt and stadium rights as a package, then we'll not only not have stadium money, we will indefinitely lose shirt sponsorship money until someone comes up with an offer Mike decides is worth his while giving up his free advertising for.

Would like to know how many of those are new grounds. Bay Arena - Bayer Leverkusen - 1958 Signal Iduna Park - Dortmund - 1974 badenova Stadium - Freiburg - 1953 Imtech Arena - Hamburg - 1953 AWD Arena - Hanover - 1954 Rhein Energy Stadium - Koln - 1923 easycredit Stadium - Nuremberg - 1928 Mercedes Benz Arena - Stuttgart - 1933 They are the older stadiums in Bundesliga 1 which have been renamed multiple times for many years. There are even more lower down the leagues. In deals which got the teams money. I'm not arguing against the people saying his brand being advertised is wrong. I am arguing with the "we have sold our history" people. I don't quite get your logic though, just because other teams have done this, it doesn't mean it isn't selling your history or your identity. Maybe other clubs have sold their souls, it doesn't mean we should be happy we're doing it. Go have a look on a video site at fans of those teams and then tell me they have sold their souls. Like, videos where thousands of Borussia Dortmund fans are angrily protesting against the financial actions of their board? Or fans from all clubs protesting against the moving of games to maximise TV money? http://sportabc.com/ball/soccer/soccer-german-soccer-federation-upsets-fans.html DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND ECONOMIC REALITY?!!

Would like to know how many of those are new grounds. Bay Arena - Bayer Leverkusen - 1958 Signal Iduna Park - Dortmund - 1974 badenova Stadium - Freiburg - 1953 Imtech Arena - Hamburg - 1953 AWD Arena - Hanover - 1954 Rhein Energy Stadium - Koln - 1923 easycredit Stadium - Nuremberg - 1928 Mercedes Benz Arena - Stuttgart - 1933 They are the older stadiums in Bundesliga 1 which have been renamed multiple times for many years. There are even more lower down the leagues. In deals which got the teams money. I'm not arguing against the people saying his brand being advertised is wrong. I am arguing with the "we have sold our history" people. Maybe those clubs have sold their history as well? Will you be back linking to New York Red Bulls if we have a team name change to prove that didn't sell our history? If a club up sticks and move to another city, can you just say "Well, MK Dons did it, must be OK. Inevitable, even."

Rightly or wrongly, I have a feeling this will be framed as "the moment the wheels came off". We don't expect anything from the next few games, but I wouldn't be surprised if we then can't find our form again and it won't take a big step to place some of that on this abysmal decision completely taking the wind out of our sails and ripping the heart out of our positive start. But I'm sure that'll be worth it as well.

Would like to know how many of those are new grounds. Bay Arena - Bayer Leverkusen - 1958 Signal Iduna Park - Dortmund - 1974 badenova Stadium - Freiburg - 1953 Imtech Arena - Hamburg - 1953 AWD Arena - Hanover - 1954 Rhein Energy Stadium - Koln - 1923 easycredit Stadium - Nuremberg - 1928 Mercedes Benz Arena - Stuttgart - 1933 They are the older stadiums in Bundesliga 1 which have been renamed multiple times for many years. There are even more lower down the leagues. In deals which got the teams money.

Oh, we'll have a shirt sponsor, just not one that pays us for it.

"kitbag dot com" To the tune of Tom Hark.

Don't worry, I'll be down at Man City and I'm sure we'll let him know what we think.

So glad Mike lent us that £100m, then spent it on things like signing Alan Smith on a deal worth about £20m in fees and wages, £40m in losses from getting relegated, £2m for constructively dismissing Keegan and then covering however much we lost from no longer being able to show adverts on 80% of our ground because it's covered in freebie billboards, leaving us owing him £100m. Thanks mate, really saved our skin.

Llambias said it will bring in an extra 8-10m. I said 'how'. With the extra revenue from SportsDirect. Are you stupid? Sports Direct contributes nothing to the NUFC. 'Cept for the 100m+ put in to cover the debt. Which was what, a payment for advertising or a loan?

Llambias said it will bring in an extra 8-10m. I said 'how'. With the extra revenue from SportsDirect. Are you stupid? Sports Direct contributes nothing to the NUFC. Are you stupid? Its clearly contributing to the expenses column in the accounts....... Prove it. 2010 accounts suggest NUFC receive nothing for promotional services provided for another of Ashley's companies. Prove to me that Stadium Sponsorship hasn't become a major income stream for sports teams in codes all around the world then. Yes, it's an income stream for everyone except us because most of them actually sell the rights. And from what Derek is saying, we're going to lose shirt sponsorship income next year, as we're only willing to sell the shirt and stadium rights as a package so unless we do it'll be replaced with a 'placeholder' of Sports Direct. Kind of like how Barca gave their shirt away for free, but for the sake of starving children instead of trackie bottoms.

Barca face up to the economic climate by selling their shirt rights for the first time, after decades holding out and then giving it away for free to UNICEF. We, meanwhile, after decades of bringing in much needed money through selling the rights, decide to give our shirt space away for free, ostensibly to keep it free for whoever buys the 'package' of stadium and shirt rights. It's not just sentimentality vs cold hard financial reality. Mike's plans are bad for the club in all possible ways.

So basically we're going to 'compete' by being the only club in the league to not sell the rights to put a company's logo on our shirts.