Wullie

Moyes bought his own players, blowing the whole idea of a comparison out of the water. How would you expect Pardew to improve unless he either buys his own players or Graham Carr starts buying the kind of junk he wants to work with? We buy attacking players for a negative manager and don't look likely to stop doing so, an issue Moyes never had to compete with.

When did Everton flirt with relegation? About eight years ago?

We beat Forest as well iirc, after extra time.

Is LV related to UV?

Absolutely essential we win and win well. Agree with Paully about the merits of a very strong team.

Away fixtures all seem tough because of how utterly s*** we were on the road last time out. Villa lost as many home games last year as we did - i.e. the most in the division. It's no more a tough away game than any of the other sides at the bottom of the league. Our away form is going to have to be mighty impressive this season to keep us up because I see no signs of our home form improving enough to get the required number of points on the board.

What happens to your proverbial bet if we get a real manager at some point?

Happy Face doesn't need cups, he's more than content getting beat 6-0 at home so he can sing songs about it with his mates. That's real support right there.

Good grief.

Asking me? As a manager not really. Like the guy though, loved our Championship season but he had arguably the best squad that has ever played Championship football. Under him in the Premiership we relied a lot on long balls from the likes of Barton into Andy Carroll and then Nolan being in the right place. It was no better football than the stuff people have been unhappy with under Pardew. When Pardew came in he had no Carroll, and he got some results with people like Best and Lovenkrands in the side, I'm not at all sure Hughton would have done that tbh. Rightly or wrongly I feel Pardew is a better man manager as well. We don't know all that goes on behind the scenes so I freely admit that's speculation. Aye, the mackems and Villa games were f***ing rotten, scoring a goal then trying to score another, then another. Where do people get this absolute rubbish? As for Pardew coming in with no Carroll, I must have blanked out that Liverpool game. Dear me. Loved those games. But there were some shockers as well and there was plenty of grumbling on here after some rank performances under Hughton. And yes we've had shockers under Pardew but FFS it hasn't all been shyte. Was it just the one game Pardew had with Carroll? Poor performances were to be expected, we'd just been promoted and spent almost nothing! It's been largely shite. I haven't enjoyed three games in the last eighteen months, and even when we finished fifth, other than half a dozen games the football stank to high heaven. I hardly think you can class a 3-1 defeat to West Brom alongside 0-3 and 0-6. "Shockers" doesn't begin to cover what Pardew has put us through. I'd love to know what it is about the man that has so many defending him even now. He's utterly detestable as a man and as a manager. How is last season less worthy of the sack to you than Hughton's four months was?

Hughton's the only manager to ever get consistent performances out of Andy Carroll btw, but I realise that doesn't suit people's agendas. Seen plenty raving about the performances Pardew got out of Perch and Ryan Taylor though.

Asking me? As a manager not really. Like the guy though, loved our Championship season but he had arguably the best squad that has ever played Championship football. Under him in the Premiership we relied a lot on long balls from the likes of Barton into Andy Carroll and then Nolan being in the right place. It was no better football than the stuff people have been unhappy with under Pardew. When Pardew came in he had no Carroll, and he got some results with people like Best and Lovenkrands in the side, I'm not at all sure Hughton would have done that tbh. Rightly or wrongly I feel Pardew is a better man manager as well. We don't know all that goes on behind the scenes so I freely admit that's speculation. Aye, the mackems and Villa games were fucking rotten, scoring a goal then trying to score another, then another. Where do people get this absolute rubbish? As for Pardew coming in with no Carroll, I must have blanked out that Liverpool game. Dear me.

Having come up, we spent less than Blackpool and West Brom who came up with us. He got absolutely nowt yet it's long been fair game to call the bloke worse than shit on here, whilst Pardew, a shit manager who plays excruciatingly dull football and has no respect whatsoever for the club or the supporters, is a sacred cow in many eyes. Absolutely bizarre.

Absolutely excruciating listening to people I know or on the radio saying "to be fair though, a lot of what he said I agreed with" Swear to God somebody could get elected to Prime Minister in Britain with no policies other than "God aren't footballers cunts? Aren't they? Cunts. Rich cunts. Aren't they?" Tedious as fuck.

You could give Alan Pardew as much backing as you like, you could give him Man City money to spend on players, and he would still construct a direct team that looked to score early then stifle the game and strangle a narrow win. That's his gameplan. Pulis was given a fortune to spend at Stoke, all he ever did was spend it on players that suited his football more than the last lot. He didn't change his philosophy and nor would Pardew.

A season ticket holder saw Newcastle win 33% more games than a Swansea season ticket holder last year. But I know facts tend to cloud the issue so I apologise for mentioning it. "Last year" isn't the same as last season. Is this another one of your creative uses of stats? No. I meant last season. We won 9 at home. They won 6. Its a pointless discussion. Like being asked who would win a fight between the grufallo and sasquatch. I named several other PL managers I wouldn't be fussed on at the same time. It's really not worth pages of discussion. I'd rather win 6 at home but finish 8th, than win 9 and finish 16th. Besides they collected only 2 pts less than us at home, and lost 4 less than we did. Stats are just utter bollocks, and another excuse to give Pardew. You seem to have missed the point of Willie's argument. He only goes to watch a team that plays to win. The fact that Swansea drew more games than we did is of no interest to him. Newcastle won more than them so as someone that wants to see winning football he got his moneys worth more with Newcastle. More than he would any team outside the top 6. You seem to think stats mean more, and the major point that flies over your head like a fucking polaris missile is......you seem to think stats are more important than someones eyes and knowledge of the game. While i agree this season (Hull and Man City games apart imo) we have certainly played a lot better, i say that as a massive Pardew hater (as some call it) but i cant deny what my eyes and football knowledge tell about the football this season, it is much better. Last season we were dreadful, no amount of stats can change that. Percentage wins, wins at home, lalalalala. And saying Wullie got his moneys worth in fucking insulting with the standard of football served up. Wullie should have got a refund, and bought a drink, and a pie, and a cab home. Whatever Willie tells you, he would not be happy if we failed to win 13 games at home as long as we played nice tippy tappy stuff. I've never once demanded "tippy tappy stuff", Hippy Face. What I want is a team that goes out with the intention of winning the game by as many goals as possible. The manner in which that is done is pretty irrelevant to me. Chris Hughton did it with a very direct team and I love him for it. He gave me two of my greatest ever footballing days, whilst Pardew is quickly racking up his own rogue's gallery of worst evers. And having won a cup and qualified for Europe, I'd be delighted with that for the record.

Fairly obvious even to the most stupid person that Swansea's campaign (and therefore those oh-so-vital statistics) predictably fell away having guaranteed themselves European football two months before everyone else finished, but feel free to keep staring at the numbers on last year's league table in an attempt to kid yourself that Pardew is doing a job as good as Michael Laudrup if it makes you feel better. Fresh from pumping Valencia on their own patch and an extremely comfortable Premier League away win (around 18 months since Newcastle got anything close to that), Swansea fans must be concerned that they have a manager comparable to Alan Pardew, fucking hell.

A season ticket holder saw Newcastle win 33% more games than a Swansea season ticket holder last year. But I know facts tend to cloud the issue so I apologise for mentioning it. Do season ticket holders only watch home games like? Which one do you think enjoyed the season more? Swansea finishing ahead of Newcastle under any circumstances is an utter disgrace. I'm a season ticket holder who went to every game (24, 25?) and only enjoyed two. The stuff we serve up is utterly miserable. You have a very strange attitude to the game.

The football Laudrup plays should be more than enough to want anyone to change imo. I'd sell my granny to have an exciting attacking manager like him. I go to the match to watch NUFC try and beat the other team by as many goals as possible, not to be bored, lose, then come home and console myself with carefully selected statistics.

How do you know that, bimpy? Got to say as someone who goes to every home game that's not really true, SJP is probably no better or worse than any other top sports venue. I don't notice the SD stuff being any more visible than any other club's major sponsor, maybe someone with an axe to grind would see it differently. For sure a top Premiership stadium is an excellent fit with Ashley's core business interest so he's going to milk it. Be daft of him not to. He can advertise what he likes as long as he's prepared to pay the going rate for it. Has anyone ever tried to put a figure on how much that level of exposure would cost at the going rate? What is it actually worth to the club? a) Lots. b) It would appear that no one is quite sure. Although if you believe what you read on here it's probably fuck all. It is fuck all, it's in the official accounts - in fact the accounts detailed the few hundred grand that Newcastle United had spent on putting the adverts up.

How do you know that, bimpy? Got to say as someone who goes to every home game that's not really true, SJP is probably no better or worse than any other top sports venue. I don't notice the SD stuff being any more visible than any other club's major sponsor, maybe someone with an axe to grind would see it differently. For sure a top Premiership stadium is an excellent fit with Ashley's core business interest so he's going to milk it. Be daft of him not to. He can advertise what he likes as long as he's prepared to pay the going rate for it. It's not so much Sports Direct as a company is it. It's because it's his Sports Direct and he gets the ads for free. I doubt anyone would be that bothered by any sponsor as that's modern football/sponsorship. But it's him and his shite everywhere. The French language electronic hoardings advertising his company are the most blatant thing at the ground - even our fucking transfer policy is part of his company's advertising strategy.

How do you know that, bimpy? Got to say as someone who goes to every home game that's not really true, SJP is probably no better or worse than any other top sports venue. I don't notice the SD stuff being any more visible than any other club's major sponsor, maybe someone with an axe to grind would see it differently. For sure a top Premiership stadium is an excellent fit with Ashley's core business interest so he's going to milk it. Be daft of him not to. He can advertise what he likes as long as he's prepared to pay the going rate for it.

Come 3 oclock Saturday i'm not thinking 'I wish Ashley would show ambition' though. I'm thinking about getting behind the players who are currently fighting to get 3 points for our team. Outside of the ground is more an area for questioning ambition, not inside. Come 3 o'clock on Saturday I'm usually thinking "Christ this is going to be fucking boring" and it inevitably is. You can feign excitement as much as you like but you can't expect everyone to buy into it. The team shows next to nothing on the pitch to be interested in and the club doesn't want to achieve anything. I certainly don't see the players fighting to get three points either, you're not seeing what I am if that's what you see when you watch them.

I would dispute that there's been football much worse than this in my twenty years following NUFC and there's certainly never been less ambition. If you can't see why that lack of ambition carries over to the support then I fear for your sanity.

You reckon he'll change his footballing philosophy because of a few extra games?