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Give over man, we literally would not have enough players to put a team out based on the selection policy you're advocating.

Win, lose or draw, dropping Ben Arfa is just an admission of what has been said about this man for years, that he doesn't trust, and is unable to get the consistent best out of, players that aren't just good old British cloggers.

Nah sorry, you've attempted to make the point that no decent manager would come here with no transfer budget, then two minutes later said "oh but Everton have a better manager" - err yeah who's just gone there in full knowledge about how little backing he'll get and how often he'll have to sell his prize assets.

Not giving the manager a penny doesn't seem to have done Everton any harm, at least in comparison to us. Their transfer funding is a fucking disgrace as well but they're not scratching around at the bottom of the table and haven't been for a long time.

Two games ago, Pardew's merry band of fans were wanking themselves silly about what magnificent form he'd coaxed out of Ben Arfa after that famous win at Villa Park (that will live long in the memory for us all). Now he's fucking dropped him. The cowardly spineless little turd.

14 wins from 48, frigging hell.

How typical of the Beeb to believe that the gap between the British clubs and Europe's elite can or should be closed by throwing more money at the problem

Consistently in the last year perhaps. I think he's talking about more than just results here. It's more conducive to developing the national side, granted. And the regulations behind it stop cunts like Mike Ashley taking majority control of football clubs.

The Bundesliga consistently makes the Premier League look like a complete fucking joke.

Much rather have a cunt with a serious heart problem at the helm than one who's fit as a fiddle with an 8 year contract. No brainer.

We rarely took batterings like we do now when Kinnear was here, in fact we only conceded 3 goals twice in the entire time he was here (as opposed to 3 times in 6 games already this season and God knows how many times last season). Disclaimer: Kinnear is a disgusting old pisshead.

I fucking detest Kinnear but purely in terms of results/performances, it's hard to see anybody doing a worse job with these players than Pardew is. Not sure Kinnear's heart would hold up for long if he got the gig. For that reason alone, it would be worth binning off the current incumbent.

Our two goals were the equivalent of a batsman being caught in the deep off a bowler he's been battering round the ground all afternoon.

Is that real? Cisse looks ridiculously photoshopped in.

Which happen week in and week out... No they don't. a lot of the goals we concede appear to be down to this, How many times have people slagged off various players already? Debuchy, Santon, Colo and & Mbiwa last night. We must have some of the most error prone defenders in the league. Well, there wouldn't be many mistakes in football if players didn't make mistakes. Our players aren't perfect, they make mistakes, as does every other defender. When they do, they deserve criticism, and when it happens often, they need dropping or replacing. I'm not denying defensive organisation is part of the problem (our high number of goals conceeded since the start of last season), but there's more to it than that, such as seasoned professionals not even challenging for a bouncing goal kick.. It appears their is a lack of ownership being taken by everyone in the team. But Pardew is the one selecting the players, he's the one coaching them day in and day out. No one should have a clearer idea of who is good at what. Every single player we've bought has regressed under him. Pardew must go, I don't need convincing about that. It just bugs me people will blindly point at him and let Colo off the hook for schoolboy errors the latter (and others) made.. But there's no solution to that other than getting shot of the manager is there? Yes we can buy four centre halves in January, two new full backs, along with a new midfield and three new forward players (arf!) but is anyone convinced that would solve the problem? I'd put heavy wedge on the new players making exactly the same cock-ups a year down the line. Sick of reading the same constant cycle of criticism, which comes up with the valuable insight that all the players in the entire squad are s*** (apart from the one who's only been here a month, funny that) and that what we really need in the team right now is the ones who've been out of the team for a while because I've forgotten how s*** they are. I don't think it really needs pointing out that the players individually and as a team have been dreadful for over a year. Pointing out individual errors isn't going to solve the problem, and going off the evidence of last January, nor is replacing the players. So what's the solution? There's only one. I don't disagree in the slightest. In the meantime, huge individual errors leading to opposition goals are deserving of criticism post match, just like they always are. If people can't deal with that, I'd suggest they stay in the Pardew thread, which coincidentally I'm trying to avoid as it's the type of threadmill "debate" I can't stand to read on a daily basis. I doubt there's anybody that can't deal with it but what's the point? "Player A was absolutely shit tonight! He needs dropping immediately!" *dropped* "Replacement X was absolutely shit tonight! We need to buy a new player immediately!" *three months later* "Transfer B was absolutely shit tonight! What we need is to go back to basics - Player A back immediately!" The problem isn't going to improve until the underlying problem is removed. You think bumping the Pardew thread is dull - personally I think bumping the threads of 7 or 8 individual players after each and every game and moaning about how shit they all are (and wondering about what a massive coincidence it is that Newcastle have signed loads of players with excellent pedigree, international caps and European league titles that have turned out to be worse than Mike Williamson) is infinitely more pointless.

Which happen week in and week out... No they don't. a lot of the goals we concede appear to be down to this, How many times have people slagged off various players already? Debuchy, Santon, Colo and & Mbiwa last night. We must have some of the most error prone defenders in the league. Well, there wouldn't be many mistakes in football if players didn't make mistakes. Our players aren't perfect, they make mistakes, as does every other defender. When they do, they deserve criticism, and when it happens often, they need dropping or replacing. I'm not denying defensive organisation is part of the problem (our high number of goals conceeded since the start of last season), but there's more to it than that, such as seasoned professionals not even challenging for a bouncing goal kick.. It appears their is a lack of ownership being taken by everyone in the team. But Pardew is the one selecting the players, he's the one coaching them day in and day out. No one should have a clearer idea of who is good at what. Every single player we've bought has regressed under him. Pardew must go, I don't need convincing about that. It just bugs me people will blindly point at him and let Colo off the hook for schoolboy errors the latter (and others) made.. But there's no solution to that other than getting shot of the manager is there? Yes we can buy four centre halves in January, two new full backs, along with a new midfield and three new forward players (arf!) but is anyone convinced that would solve the problem? I'd put heavy wedge on the new players making exactly the same cock-ups a year down the line. Sick of reading the same constant cycle of criticism, which comes up with the valuable insight that all the players in the entire squad are shit (apart from the one who's only been here a month, funny that) and that what we really need in the team right now is the ones who've been out of the team for a while because I've forgotten how shit they are. I don't think it really needs pointing out that the players individually and as a team have been dreadful for over a year. Pointing out individual errors isn't going to solve the problem, and going off the evidence of last January, nor is replacing the players. So what's the solution? There's only one.

Which happen week in and week out... No they don't. a lot of the goals we concede appear to be down to this, How many times have people slagged off various players already? Debuchy, Santon, Colo and & Mbiwa last night. We must have some of the most error prone defenders in the league. most of the time its the full backs causing the problem since they seem only vaguely aware of the concept of defending (Debuchy is the most consistently guilty of this wandering way out of position and into central midfield at times). Colo and Mbwia aren't bad defenders individually but as a pairing last night we saw they just don't work it needs to be one or the other beside Taylor or Williamson. Like it was against Liverpool?

It's certainly kept him fit and healthy like.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/09/27/aston-villa-man-city-and-the-fascinating-polorisation-of-clean-sheet-statistics-270902/ http://www.sportingintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Villa-clean-sheets.jpg Basically, when we concede, we concede 2.48 goals on average (that was before tonight, so more than that now), far more (relatively) than anybody else. Man City are second, but they top the clean sheet table, whilst we're in the bottom half.

Anyone else that doesn't give a shit about this? I'd much rather people refer to us as Newcastle. Where's the identity of simply being called 'United' I've never been particularly arsed like, although I do make a conscious effort not to refer to Man Utd as United. But a) often it's done in the context of a conversation that's already begun about one of the clubs, in which case... what's the problem? and b) people, including me, used 'City' to refer to Man City for years and years, but I've only ever seen it raised as an annoyance since they've been good.

Yes you do.

He was lucky Lukaku was offside in the first half because his attempt at a tackle was embarrassing. Did alright though, relatively speaking.

This post is utter lunacy like. Every time I see him attempt to "keep it tight" from the start of a game, that's when we get f***ed up the arse, like tonight. Shifting Ben Arfa because he's scared of their full back, that's what he thinks "keeping it tight" is, completely f***ing up your own game because of fear. Staggering that you think he has "shown how to construct a back four" - taking one over from another manager that has been playing together for years does not count as "constructing". He has shown only that he's totally incompetent at putting together a new unit. Utter lunacy? You're so sanctimonious It was highlighted tonight that our defence didn't keep tight, at all. The full backs were too far forward and there were massive gaps in our back line because of that. If we defend like that against teams like Everton, we'll get done. Agreed on Ben Arfa, I wasn't happy about that. As if he can't get credit for getting 15 clean sheets either. Have a word. I never said they kept it tight did I? He tried though, in the same way he tried when he left HBA and Gouffran out against Liverpool last season. His idea of "keeping it tight" is "don't attack, in case you lose your position, and hit the ball far away from our goal" I never said anything either about not getting "credit for 15 clean sheets" - what I've said for a long time is that he is totally incapable of coaching a new defense into a cohesive unit. Citing statistics of a back four that had been mainly "constructed" by somebody else - your word, not mine, you give credit for constructing a house to the guy who built it, not the bloke who moved in afterwards and changed the lightbulbs. Did he even try to keep it tight though? Or was he trying to be clever? Because the players seemed to play the exact opposite of a side looking to be compact. They either flat out ignored him or his definition of 'tight' defending has dramatically shifted in the last two years. Fair enough, he'd pretty much inherited them but he seemed to understand their limitations and moulded our play around that. It's not a case of he doesn't know how to structure a new defence, in my opinion, he just has no clue how to do it with players that have more to their game than simply being able to defend. Unfortunately, the club's structure means we'll probably never see someone come in that can make a successful system with the personnel we've got. I suspect the idea you and I have of keeping it tight is very different to Alan Pardew's. The first thing I would be wanting the players to do if I wanted to keep it tight is press high up the pitch whereas when we play any decent side, Everton, Liverpool, Man City (about four times in a row now, exactly the same against that lot), the players always go out and start exactly the same way - stand off, stand off, stand off. Then he seems shocked when they destroy us given the total freedom of the park. It serves little purpose trying to decipher what he's thinking game to game, I don't think he has the slightest fucking idea himself tbh.

This post is utter lunacy like. Every time I see him attempt to "keep it tight" from the start of a game, that's when we get f***ed up the arse, like tonight. Shifting Ben Arfa because he's scared of their full back, that's what he thinks "keeping it tight" is, completely f***ing up your own game because of fear. Staggering that you think he has "shown how to construct a back four" - taking one over from another manager that has been playing together for years does not count as "constructing". He has shown only that he's totally incompetent at putting together a new unit. Utter lunacy? You're so sanctimonious It was highlighted tonight that our defence didn't keep tight, at all. The full backs were too far forward and there were massive gaps in our back line because of that. If we defend like that against teams like Everton, we'll get done. Agreed on Ben Arfa, I wasn't happy about that. As if he can't get credit for getting 15 clean sheets either. Have a word. I never said they kept it tight did I? He tried though, in the same way he tried when he left HBA and Gouffran out against Liverpool last season. His idea of "keeping it tight" is "don't attack, in case you lose your position, and hit the ball far away from our goal" I never said anything either about not getting "credit for 15 clean sheets" - what I've said for a long time is that he is totally incapable of coaching a new defense into a cohesive unit. Citing statistics of a back four that had been mainly "constructed" by somebody else does nothing to disprove that - your word, not mine, you give credit for "constructing" a house to the guy who built it, not the bloke who moved in afterwards and changed the lightbulbs.

I've honestly never seen a manager go through formations like Pardew. It's genuinely about three per game.