James

You've quoted all three videos Dave. The 442 implication is mainly down to Keegan saying that the thing that caught his eye with Gutierrez was his supply line from the wing for Guiza last season. Said Shola and Smith up front (no lie) will love him.

Keegan also said today that he didn't wantold players, he wants younger players who can play for Newcastle for several years.

Forum in-jokes circa 2005.

I thought Darren Ambrose was the new Rob Lee.

That is not the case at all, if you watch the interview, or read the two lines below that.

Keegan speaks. Not going to buy for the sake of it. Doesn't want to have to pick a team and find it difficult to choose between two players who are pretty much the same in terms of style and ability. Is looking for added spark to ignite the players he's got, rather than overhauling the team. Doesn't want anyone still here to leave. Lots of press nonsense with 'insiders' and such like. Given staying and in good shape, with Harper, Forster and Krul expected to put in a huge challenge. Is pleased with the goalkeepers here.

He's probably already here, and we probably thought it best to avoid any fanfare.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Guthrie.

They (the Chronicle) said he'd told friends about the move IIRC. Still doesn't negate the fact that their conversion ratio is pathetic. No it doesn't, but considering we were trying to buy Guthrie since the end of the season, it is possible that other names mentioned in the papers may yet come to fruition. Fingers crossed.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2008/07/17/nufc-offered-german-midfielder-torsten-frings-72703-21357357/

Papers did mention Guthrie fwiw.

so which is it NE5? I'm not a fence sitter myself, but it appears you're swinging your views back and forth as it suits. Please clarify if you've got the time. Thanks just read his posts and it seems to me he's spot on - the ambition he refers to is to complete deals isn't? he says something is wrong, ambition or whatever woodgate, modric, aimar have all been moved for and turned us down to some degree so he's right, something is missing - whether ambition is the right word is neither here nor there my opinion, however, is that a bid for aimar shouldn't be considered ambitious - we've just lost him to benfica if reports are correct, wasn't so long ago they were picking up our cast offs for nothing... EDIT: also meant to say in that last part about his career appearing to be on the decline as well, but forgot The club has been on the decline since the appointment of Souness. What I mean by that is our league finishes have been largely shit since SBR's last season in charge. Ashley, Keegan and co have come into this club well aware of the need to REBUILD its stature. No wonder players turn us down when they have witnessed the last 3 or 4 years of total shambles. not disagreeing, but we've been this bad before and still managed to get the players we wanted - as ATB says by offering money basically it still makes NE5 right, somethings missing, call it money if you want You can't blame the club for missing out on the three players for not showing the money, when you imply in other posts that we showed them the money and they didn't come for other reasons? Stop moving the goalposts. you and your fucking goalposts James, doesn't wash as I'm moving nothing - you seem fond of pointing out deals are complicated so what's so complicated about making the leap to; one deal we might match a fee but not wages, lose the player...another deal we might be willing to pay the wages but not the fee? same result {before you start these are example of possibilites, rather than extact examples} the reports of aimar, be they true, say we matched the valuation that benfica had to then match to conclude the deal - so what went wrong? reports also said they dispatched rui costa on a jet to make sure the deal happened, did we urgently dispatch anyone if we wanted him that badly? i don't know do i, i wasn't there, but i'm with NE5 in saying "something" isn't right at the moment but i don't know what it is, there are many possibilities money being one of them Again, a complete contradiction, as I'm sure if we were interested in that situation, Keegan would be on a plane to Portugal.

so which is it NE5? I'm not a fence sitter myself, but it appears you're swinging your views back and forth as it suits. Please clarify if you've got the time. Thanks just read his posts and it seems to me he's spot on - the ambition he refers to is to complete deals isn't? he says something is wrong, ambition or whatever woodgate, modric, aimar have all been moved for and turned us down to some degree so he's right, something is missing - whether ambition is the right word is neither here nor there my opinion, however, is that a bid for aimar shouldn't be considered ambitious - we've just lost him to benfica if reports are correct, wasn't so long ago they were picking up our cast offs for nothing... EDIT: also meant to say in that last part about his career appearing to be on the decline as well, but forgot The club has been on the decline since the appointment of Souness. What I mean by that is our league finishes have been largely shit since SBR's last season in charge. Ashley, Keegan and co have come into this club well aware of the need to REBUILD its stature. No wonder players turn us down when they have witnessed the last 3 or 4 years of total shambles. not disagreeing, but we've been this bad before and still managed to get the players we wanted - as ATB says by offering money basically it still makes NE5 right, somethings missing, call it money if you want You can't blame the club for missing out on the three players for not showing the money, when you imply in other posts that we showed them the money and they didn't come for other reasons? Stop moving the goalposts.

so which is it NE5? I'm not a fence sitter myself, but it appears you're swinging your views back and forth as it suits. Please clarify if you've got the time. Thanks just read his posts and it seems to me he's spot on - the ambition he refers to is to complete deals isn't? he says something is wrong, ambition or whatever woodgate, modric, aimar have all been moved for and turned us down to some degree so he's right, something is missing - whether ambition is the right word is neither here nor there my opinion, however, is that a bid for aimar shouldn't be considered ambitious - we've just lost him to benfica if reports are correct, wasn't so long ago they were picking up our cast offs for nothing... Or perhaps we were never interested in Aimar, Woodgate had already agreed to go to Spurs before Keegan came calling, and Modric was made to go to Spurs because the Mamic brothers could get a bigger slice of the cake. so does that still make NE5 wrong then? and if we were interested in Aimar James? just if, and he rejected us for benfica what does it say to you anything, nothing? how long do we keep losing out on players before it becomes a pattern of failure and rejection? this is ashleys 3rd transfer window by the way i know one thing, if FS was still chairman he'd be getting torn apart by the people on here for signing a liverpool cast off and a "free" winger from mallorca Swings and roundabouts.

so which is it NE5? I'm not a fence sitter myself, but it appears you're swinging your views back and forth as it suits. Please clarify if you've got the time. Thanks just read his posts and it seems to me he's spot on - the ambition he refers to is to complete deals isn't? he says something is wrong, ambition or whatever woodgate, modric, aimar have all been moved for and turned us down to some degree so he's right, something is missing - whether ambition is the right word is neither here nor there my opinion, however, is that a bid for aimar shouldn't be considered ambitious - we've just lost him to benfica if reports are correct, wasn't so long ago they were picking up our cast offs for nothing... Or perhaps we were never interested in Aimar, Woodgate had already agreed to go to Spurs before Keegan came calling, and Modric was made to go to Spurs because the Mamic brothers could get a bigger slice of the cake.

He couldn't resist the promises of their chairman http://gregcookland.com/journal/uploaded_images/picHasselHoff-747711.jpg Urgh

FWIW, Guthrie said that we were interested since the end of the season, and that it wasn't until last week that Liverpool let him speak to us. Shows transfers can't be completed with a click of the fingers as MrMiyagi75 expects

Only Spurs fans call Malbranque by the name 'Steed'

Thanks for that Deep.

Well we can sure expect an NUFC bashing from the Mirror soon enough.

Seems like a sound lad.

Starring in all these stupid Andrelon adverts? As long as he's worth it.

Is that really true? I don't know how you'd measure the column inches, but there was quite a bit of fuss about Martin Jol being out of favour and then Ramos arriving. No where near the coverage of KK's return. Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 966,000 for ramos tottenham Results 1 - 10 of about 697,000 for keegan newcastle. And there's a longer association between the words "keegan" and "newcastle" than between the words "ramos" and "tottenham". To be fair, Spurs have been linked with 19 million midfielders since he took over, so that might explain the extra press Don't forget an extra few months in the job, a prolonged period of speculation before Jol was even sacked, and the fact that the Spanish would be extensively reporting the story too.