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I haven't read right through so am probably repeating this for the millionth time but I am truly lost for words by Roeder stating that fans don't undertstand how difficult it is to break down a defensive Man City team? Hmm, it certainly is when you pick Parker and Butt as your two central midfielders, absolutely no creativity between them! And if he thinks that Parker is a creative midfielder then he needs sacked immediately. What a statement that sent out immediately to Man City - at home against one of the worst teams in the league and we are set up in my eyes with a defensive midfield pairing. Additionally, letting Carr back in the team straight away should be a sackable offence on its own!

You have to be kidding me. Comedy gold! Yes he was inspirational in games such as Wigan away!

So? No one on this message board is a professional footballer but I don't see how that stops us from having opinions Newcastle players. We don't run multi-million pound businesses so we can't comment. Ridiculous? You said it. Koven and his Amazon analogy...

Koven - I'll let you into a little secret - keep spending more than you have and eventually you can't borrow anymore to cover the deficit and you become insolvent! Spending is great while you have funds and investors to cover the losses but if you don't actually increase what comes in to cover that spending and the cost of your financing structure you get into some problems. We keep spending but nothing is changing - actually, thats a lie, we are getting worse and generating less revenue.

Yeah, cos speculate to accumulate doesn't apply to any other industry apart from online bookstores... What an incredibly naive outlook on business. Mate, there are fundamentals in business that apply to almost all sectors. Hence why there is books about business in general and not "a book on how to run an online bookstore". Why don't you tell me about those fundamentals from your books, I'm all ears.

Quite ridiculous justification/basis for keeping Roeder on. So a manager doing poor in the first few seasons, culminating in the fans wanting him sacked doesn't compare at all to our situation? Ok, then. If you look at our situation, Roeder has actually done better than AF did in his first few seasons. I'm not sure if you understand but people can't predict the future. Hence why Man U fans at the time wanted him sacked. You're reading my post and thinking how great AF has been over the last 10 years. Have a think about that and have another go at replying. You back a managment team on their track record - Roeder has no track record, AF did. It has nothing to do with predicting the future. In business, owners and other funders back management teams with track records - not ones who don't. You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that you are comparing two very different situations. Just because our situation is comparable in terms of wanting the manager sacked, doesn't mean that its the same as Ferguson's situation. Two very different people, different managers, different ability/quality at two very different clubs at two very different times. But if that's the case why did the fans want him sacked? Just admit that if we were in that situation most of our fans would want AF sacked. Kevin Keegan didn't have a track record either remember. I would be happy with that level of success now. Of course I know there will never be an identical comparison. Arguably though, Roeder was successful enough last season to show he had some promise. Nevertheless, I have already said that I haven't made my own mind up yet, but what is the point in sacking him when we have nobody (decent) to replace him. We will end up going around in circles like we've been doing. I don't know the answer, i'm just trying to get some alternate views going so we don't get 4 pages of "Sack the rat faced c***". I'm sorry, I understand your sentiment in your last post but just becuse the Man U fans wanted AF sacked and were wrong, doesn't mean that Newcastle fans wanting Roeder sacked are wrong. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but on paper alone the differences are massive. Roeder has not got a track record to speak of and comparing him to AF's circumstances leads me to believe that you think that Roeder can turn it around based on AF's history - two different people and I believe two different outcomes. I appreciate you are not convinced about Roeder but its not wrong to want a manager out that you believe is not going to do the job based on his track record while here and supported by his appalling track record in the past.

Yeah, cos speculate to accumulate doesn't apply to any other industry apart from online bookstores... What an incredibly naive outlook on business.

Quite ridiculous justification/basis for keeping Roeder on. So a manager doing poor in the first few seasons, culminating in the fans wanting him sacked doesn't compare at all to our situation? Ok, then. If you look at our situation, Roeder has actually done better than AF did in his first few seasons. I'm not sure if you understand but people can't predict the future. Hence why Man U fans at the time wanted him sacked. You're reading my post and thinking how great AF has been over the last 10 years. Have a think about that and have another go at replying. You back a managment team on their track record - Roeder has no track record, AF did. It has nothing to do with predicting the future. In business, owners and other funders back management teams with track records - not ones who don't. You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that you are comparing two very different situations. Just because our situation is comparable in terms of wanting the manager sacked, doesn't mean that its the same as Ferguson's situation. Two very different people, different managers, different ability/quality at two very different clubs at two very different times.

Comparing Amazon and NUFC is again, quite ridiculous - two entirely different business models, in different sectors and completely different funding structures.

Quite ridiculous justification/basis for keeping Roeder on.

Eye for talent? All he had to do was switch onto Bravo and watch an inter game?

I don't mean to offend but I've heard more sense from Daffy Duck. Clearly you weren't at the Wigan away game for instance.

when they published their accunts for the first 6 months of the 2005-2006 season the loss was £6m. When they published them for the full year to last June (only 11 months as they chanegd accoutnign dates), the loss for the whole period was over £12m. but as you well know that is different to losing £1mill per month.(ie,they could make a profit of £1mill per month for 11months then buy torres(knowing us fred torres from stevenage borough) for £23 mill which would show a loss of £12mill but isn't a loss of £1mill per month. it may seem pedantic but the way you make it sound and it may be that way,that we are losing £1mill per month on the day-to-day running of the club not the one off hits for transfers. if we didn't buy anyone for a year would we still be "losing" £1mill per month ? Player purchases don't affect your profit on date of purchase, the cost is capitalised and amortised against the length of the players contract. So if you signed Torres for £20m on a 5 year contract, the costs would hit your books at £4m p.a. over the 5 years. So basically, you're wrong. Apart from where you have players such as Marcelino or Luque whose economic useful value has actually been deemed as nil and the asset is written off in one fail swoop! On that thought, maybe the entire team (Given aside) should be written off!

I quite agree. I've been told some very interesting stories on good authority re some of these players spending and in particular, gambling, and it makes me sick at the wages these guys are getting to be able to do some of the things they can/attitudes they have. Value for money - methinks not Long term financial health - most definetely not!

I disagree, if you give Titus a new contract, all you are doing is condoning/accepting a level of standard that will see us continue to languish in mediocrity. We do need bodies, but I am sure there are better/with more potential that will not cost stupid money. I would have hoped that we had the scouting network/management that could identify those players - most other teams seem to be able to.

Scouting is also my major worry, especially in the modern game. If Roeder doesn't have a list of contacts like Wenger does, then he should start taking steps to create one because it really cannot be that hard to find coaches and clubs all over the world who could keep an eye open on behalf of Newcastle United. I have some ideas about how he could do this another way, but something tells me he wouldn't be open to it. It doesn't even need to be scouts employed by the club, just friends of players who are playing abroad and all sorts of things. It's another typical example of how narrow-minded our approach is for one of the richest clubs on the planet - we are literally miles behind the likes of Arsenal and Manchester United in so many departments, it's unreal. The problems do not simply start with our lack of money and the manager/players. If there was a structure behind Roeder and his staff, to support them, and if we had the technical coaches that the big clubs have and suchforth then we would see an improvement on the pitch for far less than having to go out and spend £20m-£30m on players every season/other season. You quite simply do not need to spend inordinate amounts of money in order to challenge the top-four, although it obviously helps. The initial post is a good one, but for me it's too superficial and doesn't really take into account the improvements that need to be made as a club on the whole. We should be funneling more money into restructuring our entire philosophy/staff underneath Roeder, if he is to stay, rather than chucking all of our money at him in the hope that he makes a number of excellent signings. Because he will not spend another £15-20m of the club's money incredibly well, the odds are simply massively against this happening. For too long it's been the way that we expect the club's money to solve our problems by simply being spent on players and wages. It takes a hell of a lot more than decent players in order to challenge for anything serious these days and it's high-time people woke up and realised it. Agree with this 100% Its not just our inadequate playing staff that needs improving, its the whole ethos of the club in imo. But, unfortunately this starts with the big guy at the top and trcikles down. With him at the top we have no chance. Things like Terry McDermott STILL being employed by NUFC, getting rid of Tommy Craig and replacing him with Lee Clark,when was the last time we had a coach with pedigree? Even under SBR we has Carver and Wadsworth, I can't remeber in my 16 or so years following Newcastle the time where the club actually employed proper coaches with proven experience. Its just jobs for the boys, even if the 'boys' are s**** and are just the managers mates. I feel the we are being left behind by the likes of Boltoin, Spurs and Blackburn to name just 3, and that is deeply concerning. Totally agree, unfortuantely I was saying this a few years back in the summer when Robson should have been moved upstairs. Nothing has changed, in fact its got worse

Scouting is an area we are clearly very weak in and it does worry me. For me, Roeder is never going to unearth a gem or steal a player for a good deal - he doesn't have the scouting network nor the clout.

I agree - it infuriates me when I read some of the sh*te talked about Bramble on this forum - he puts together 2/3 games against inferior opposition and folk start whaffling on about 'turning the corner' and 'better than Terry' (that was the funniest one ever). He is a walking liability and until we get rid of players like him, we will never be on the right track.

Good post and agree with a lot of it - only issue I have is whether Solano can play for a full season again at RB. I have my doubts but then again, other areas are even more critical at present - it just shows you how weak the team is.

Are these the mates you meet in the day room when you collect your meds? Couldn't have put it better

Pathetic

I'm glad the appeal for a truce has worked!

You would have to be an idiot of the highest calibre to have voted for Martins, before, after or anytime.

Good observation

31 now! Jesus - there really are some dense people out there