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We've has better performances and better results with poorer players. Our quality of players on the field this season is actually worse than last. Or you mean during the Sir Bobby Era?

I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is f***ing s***. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I f***ing miss him, you know? Our squad is s***? What utter, depressing bollocks. Our squad is s***. Evaluate the bench and other squad rotation players yourself. Don't be cheated by the starting eleven. What do you attribute the starting XI being s*** to? Equally, do you feel the likes of WBA have a great squad? When did we play our starting eleven this season? I can even trim the argument down further. Colo, Tiote, Cabaye, Krul, our most important players, how many games they have been playing together this season? Last season? We have a much better starting eleven than WBA. Then if we take away Colo for Willo, Perch for Cabaye, plues one to two suspension / injuries, would you say it is still a much better squad than WBA, who is now playing Long as a substitute? What about us? Obertan? FFS. And the keeper as well. Harper is a certainty to concede goal now. We cannot live without Krul. What kind of squad depth is this? If you are fuming about the performance and results, put more blame on Ashley not spending his own money please. Pardew has his bad but has been far exaggerated here. The squad is f***ing s***. Fully exposed this season given more matches and injuries. Your excuses are tedious. I firmly believe I don't need to type these shit if we have signed a new CB, Debuchy and a left winger last summer too. I didn't enjoy it. Would I?

Absolutely. Think he's just out of his depth tbh. Agreed. I think Pards is a very good and capable PL manager. But he just doesn't have the chops to make a mid-table team a Champions League team. Which *should* be our goal as a club. easy now. Which part of that statement do you object to? the transformation of a midtable team into a champions league team, jesus its like it just rolls off your lip,. that is a tougher task than you may think, managers that are capable of doing that dont usually join clubs like nufc. This team did finish 5th last season, which I don't attribute purely to Pardew's wizardry or pure dumb luck. Should not the goal of this club be to challenge for a Champions League spot? Finishing 5 with or without Europe competition makes a huge difference. To the owner, definitely a no, because it means he has to spend money. Pretty obvious, no? In fact there isn't a team that can transform into a champions league team without spending huge money. Probably Sir Bobby has already spent the least. Qualifying would undoubtedly line Ashley's pockets. Even after spending to upgrade a CL squad he'd come out with a profit. I just don't understand the mentality in English football that sees fans content with mid-table finishes. Perhaps staying afloat is good enough for teams like Wigan. But the goal for this club, as far its fans are concerned, should be to win hardware and/or qualify for Europe every single year. I am pretty sure no owner would take that kind of "Leeds gamble" nowadays - spend before you earn .This is especially true for Ashley after what Shepperd and Souness did before. I have been crying out that the signings of Owen and Luque were suicidal because we havent earn the money, and unfortunately my worries come true. No fans would want their club achieve nothing. Just that nowadays sugardaddy is a must for that to happen. Time to regenerate the Ashley out campaign?

I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is f***ing s***. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I f***ing miss him, you know? Our squad is s***? What utter, depressing bollocks. Our squad is s***. Evaluate the bench and other squad rotation players yourself. Don't be cheated by the starting eleven. What do you attribute the starting XI being s*** to? Equally, do you feel the likes of WBA have a great squad? When did we play our starting eleven this season? I can even trim the argument down further. Colo, Tiote, Cabaye, Krul, our most important players, how many games they have been playing together this season? Last season? We have a much better starting eleven than WBA. Then if we take away Colo for Willo, Perch for Cabaye, plues one to two suspension / injuries, would you say it is still a much better squad than WBA, who is now playing Long as a substitute? What about us? Obertan? FFS. And the keeper as well. Harper is a certainty to concede goal now. We cannot live without Krul. What kind of squad depth is this? If you are fuming about the performance and results, put more blame on Ashley not spending his own money please. Pardew has his bad but has been far exaggerated here. The squad is fucking shit. Fully exposed this season given more matches and injuries.

Absolutely. Think he's just out of his depth tbh. Agreed. I think Pards is a very good and capable PL manager. But he just doesn't have the chops to make a mid-table team a Champions League team. Which *should* be our goal as a club. easy now. Which part of that statement do you object to? the transformation of a midtable team into a champions league team, jesus its like it just rolls off your lip,. that is a tougher task than you may think, managers that are capable of doing that dont usually join clubs like nufc. This team did finish 5th last season, which I don't attribute purely to Pardew's wizardry or pure dumb luck. Should not the goal of this club be to challenge for a Champions League spot? Finishing 5 with or without Europe competition makes a huge difference. To the owner, definitely a no, because it means he has to spend money. Pretty obvious, no? In fact there isn't a team that can transform into a champions league team without spending huge money. Probably Sir Bobby has already spent the least.

I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is f***ing s***. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I f***ing miss him, you know? Our squad is s***? What utter, depressing bollocks. Our squad is shit. Evaluate the bench and other squad rotation players yourself. Don't be cheated by the starting eleven.

Absolutely. Think he's just out of his depth tbh. Agreed. I think Pards is a very good and capable PL manager. But he just doesn't have the chops to make a mid-table team a Champions League team. Which *should* be our goal as a club. We're not a midtable team, and Pardew isn't very good at anything besides talking s**** We are at least a mid-table team. We're just not playing like one. I don't believe it was completely random that we finished 5th last season. This team does have a lot of talent. We have a very unbalanced team, with a starting 11 comparable to Arsenal and a bench comparable to Leeds.

I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is fucking shit. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I fucking miss him, you know?

That said, I don't think he will make a difference today.

I'd agree he is clueless not playing hoofball + tight defense when we are forced to use Willo. Willo isn't singularly the problem. He hits it long because we don't use the midfield because we are team that like to go direct. Also, are you actually criticising the fans for wanting our team to attack Swansea at home?? For real?? Tactically, we weren't much different today. 4-4-2, little movement, pump it long often. Tried to play it around a bit, felt unfamiliar, go long again. Willo is f***ing hopeless. How in the earth a centre back can give our keeper such a huge threat in EPL? He has zero ball control and he really couldnt make a pass. I am not criticizing the attacking approach. I'm criticizing the fans that call for his head because he gambled according to the fans wish. I hate this most because the fans always think it is not a gamble and it is just his lack of ability that cost us 3 points. Since "the fans approach" must work, and if it doesn't work, it must be the managers fault. What kind of logic is this. I would say the first 60 mins was a big improvement. We didnt play hoofball much (except Willo), play the ball on the deck, and successfully gave Santon/Fergie and HBA to run with the ball and deliver cross. We didnt do this last match. I agree that things went horribly wrong after conceding the goal though. This is like the 12 game in the League this season, this has been ongoing problem at least for me since last season Stop kissing his ass I am not going to repeat all those arguments with you 10 months ago. Kiss ass FFS. Read your own posts last year, especially about the treatment of HBA again, please.

I'd agree he is clueless not playing hoofball + tight defense when we are forced to use Willo. But the truth is, you've got a player in the team that can't play the ball out of defence, that the midfield have to protect, and can't form part of a high line because of his lack of pace. So we need to play a midfielder as a defender to compensate Willo's lack of football ability? That would become a 5-3-2. In fact I got what you mean. Tiote is not quick enough to cover Willo though.

I'd agree he is clueless not playing hoofball + tight defense when we are forced to use Willo. Willo isn't singularly the problem. He hits it long because we don't use the midfield because we are team that like to go direct. Also, are you actually criticising the fans for wanting our team to attack Swansea at home?? For real?? Tactically, we weren't much different today. 4-4-2, little movement, pump it long often. Tried to play it around a bit, felt unfamiliar, go long again. Willo is fucking hopeless. How in the earth a centre back can give our keeper such a huge threat in EPL? He has zero ball control and he really couldnt make a pass. I am not criticizing the attacking approach. I'm criticizing the fans that call for his head because he gambled according to the fans wish. I hate this most because the fans always think it is not a gamble and it is just his lack of ability that cost us 3 points. Since "the fans approach" must work, and if it doesn't work, it must be the managers fault. What kind of logic is this. I would say the first 60 mins was a big improvement. We didnt play hoofball much (except Willo), play the ball on the deck, and successfully gave Santon/Fergie and HBA to run with the ball and deliver cross. We didnt do this last match. I agree that things went horribly wrong after conceding the goal though.

He has to take some of the blame. Its clear we emphasize the defensive aspects of our side & as a result we do not look fluid going forwards & rely on individual ability. Its simply not working this season with the injuries in midfield/defence. So he has to rethink this approach & take some of the flack for these results. Agree with that. He has a part and he has to do his work since he's got paid. Just that I put blames on management and the players more on Pardew today. West Ham is a disaster. Today is actually an improvement prior to their goal. I expected that would come since we NEVER keep a clean sheet with Willo + high line. Never. The midfielders and the wing backs (except HBA) were letting the team down by delivering extremely poor cross to Ba. We should have scored goals in the first half by taking that gamble, which we didnt, and thus we paid the inevitable price. Colo + Taylor and Tiote + Cabaye were our most important players. Last year we rely on them to get a great run both the start and the end of season. This year we have never been able to play them together consistently. I am actually not surprised that we didnt play like a "top 5" team, because we were never a top 5 team unless we play our best 11 players, which is impossible this season.

I'd agree he is clueless not playing hoofball + tight defense when we are forced to use Willo.

So last year we applaud he get the best out of Raylor, Perch and HBA and now we said he is absolutely shit at playing players at their full strength? Fucking fickle man. Playing Willo with a high line is suicidal. We all know that. Proven. Yet we have no choice, and we ALL asked Pardew to adapt a more attacking approach on the ground, WHICH HE DID TODAY, and as a result we lose the goal. The fact is it is ridiculous to have players like Willo (Fergie, Simpson and Sammy as well to be honest) starting in Premiership. Our squad is fucking weak. Face it. If you held Pardew responsible for the goal, do not complain for hoofball anymore. You sounds like Swansea players are all shits and the centrebacks are even worse than Willo yet then can play possession football. No, Fuck no. Willo was a champsionship level player who couldnt get a place in that Portsmouth. Forget?

He changed the tactics. The results go against him. His fault then?

There is a reason y we play the hoof ball.

I think what's the worst is he actually knows the problem but has no idea how to solve it, i.e. the Ba and Cisse issue.

Well, he was not the one who gamble, his boss did. I heard Diame has some kind of heart problem which may collapse fatally during a match? And Anita is not a bad signing as well.

I can feel we are heading to relegation if we sack Pardew now.

The gameplan is to hoof to Ba. The end.

Pardew out

We are shit, no excuse

The players and the manager need a serious kick

The Ba Cisse partnership is the worst I have ever seen