The College Dropout

He's been much better in his return than he was Aug-Jan. Get his head straight and stay please.

He just doesn't care one jot. He's a good footballer but his passoin is long gone.

We kept Keegan for around 6 years, Robson for around 5 years. Check this out, understand the point and I'm trying to make and hopefully after that go away: http://www.leaguemanagers.com/managers/longest-current.html We've had the most managers in the PL era. Haven't won a single trophy either. The other two closest have also been considered jokers and clowns. Luckily for them one are dirty rich and the other just had a manager for 5 seasons and have appointed a man for the long-term. Team A - Are a joke but have billiona that will ensure that they are competitve. Team B - Success built on managers who were the longest serving for 13 years and 24 years. No longer a joke.

Comparing ourselves to Chelsea? I'm going to bed. Rafa wasn't fired.

Finished 5th back to back. If we did the same people wouldn't say we over-achieved last year.

They still had the team that finished 5th for two consecutive seasons. And great young players. We aren't at that stage yet. 1 season after SBR we could've hired a good manager too fwiw. Souness had long enough to ruin the side and bring back the circus.

Point is: we are known for being an impatient football club with high demands. Rightly or wrongly that is the perception. That negative perception adversely affects our appeal to manager's who have a lot of stock right now. We aren't big enough for a Rafa and too risky for someone with high stock such as Martinez or Laudrup for the reasons listed above. So I propose we go for a lesser known option. From the lower leagues or Europe. A 2007 Jol or 2009 Martinez.

Let me repeat myself. BEFORE MARTIN JOL, TOTTENHAM HOTSPURS WERE A LAUGHING STOCK. Martin Jol was no big name, had very little to lose coming from a smaller foreign club. They've started to look a proper club when they gave Jol 3 years to improve the side and Harry 4.

We kept Keegan for around 6 years, Robson for around 5 years. Check this out, understand the point and I'm trying to make and hopefully after that go away: http://www.leaguemanagers.com/managers/longest-current.html We've had the most managers in the PL era. Haven't won a single trophy either. The other two closest have also been considered jokers and clowns. Luckily for them one are dirty rich and the other just had a manager for 5 seasons and have appointed a man for the long-term.

When he took over after Hodgson left they played well. He was Caretaker manager. I know it's from wiki but "Following a 1–0 victory against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in February 2011, described by Alan Smith as "a quite brilliant display in terms of discipline and spirit"[63] and a "defensive masterplan" by David Pleat,[64] Henry Winter wrote, "it can only be a matter of time before he [Dalglish] is confirmed as long-term manager." Where's the widespread derision? Unless we hire Carver, our manager will have an outside view of us. The outside view isn't pretty mate.

Do you have comprehension problems? I'm not saying Allardyce as the reason we got relegated. It just wouldn't have happened if he was boss. So, people will look at that and call it a mistake. Look at Blackburn. They could've hired a better manager than Kean. But everyone talks about how they wouldn't have been in that position if they stuck with Allardyce. So sacking him looks a bad decision now. Do you understand?

You didn't consider Spurs a joke before Jol? I've worked in Manchester, Kent and London for a number of years. Most people believe what is written in the media. Even we realise we need to stick with a manager because chopping and changing has not brought us success.

Ridiculed by who? They played very well when he was interim manager. Regardless, he still holds the respect of the football world. Look at his achievements. The same with the other two. Everyone will look at the common denominator of all our managers being sacked or failing, as us. The Circus. I'm not trying to defend any of our ex-managers except Sir Bobby, Hughton and KK. I'm just talking about how it has affected the way our club is perceived and how it damages our attractiveness to manager's in high value. You go to Newcastle, you're career doesn't get better.

From what I've seen most people see our former managers the way that we do. "Unrealistic expectations of the Geordie's." I didn't make that phrase up. Most people think we are too impatient.

What the f*** are you on about man. I think he's right with that comment but only because supporters of other clubs don't know the facts. The percentage of people outside of the north east who think we went down the same season Allardyce was sacked must be roughly 95%. You even see it stated in articles written by supposedly professional journalists. It has become common knowledge that Newcastle fans turn on their manager quicker than lager turns to p*ss. Like most "common knowledge" it's utter bullshit, but perceptions won't change until someone gets it right. I can't be the only other person that has recognised this?

dis gon be gud The mistake was hiring them, I agree. But as an outsider, would you see it that way? We've hired managers that have won big trophies and have been great players - sacked. We've hired from within, sacked after a season or two. We should have given SBR and Hughton more time. We wouldn't have gotten relegated with Fat Sam even though i despised him. A good manager should be confident enough in their own ability to not worry about s**** like that. Live for the day, not the daft little trends you think you've identified. Whether Robson should have been given more time is debatable, I'd agree about Hughton though certainly. Your comment about Allardyce is crazy. He left when we were going nowhere but downwards (hoofing the ball up to Owen and Martins), then Keegan came in and kept us safe. We got relegated the following season, so I'm not sure what you mean - that we should have kept ahold of Allardyce as long as possible so we stayed in the league? Daft little trend? Every manager we've had since Keegan has either gone into semi-retirement or had to drop down a division to rebuild their careers. These are respected football men. I don't "live for the day" regarding my career and I doubt a football manager is any different. 1 and a half years of nothing football and we finished 3rd and 5th. I personally hate Fat Sam. But none of his teams will get relegated from the PL. I'm sure everyone in football knows this. He's just not a NUFC manager, we have to play nice football, bad fit. But you can see how it might look like a bad decision to sack him from the outside right? They've went into semi retirement or whatever because they did f***ing awful jobs and got binned before they could do more damage. I'm still waiting for examples. You've given me Robson and Hughton, where I've admitted you might have a semblance of a point, and Allardyce because we got relegated 16 months after sacking him. It was 100% not a bad decision to sack him, it is the best example going of a bad decision to hire him. You've taken my "live for the day" thing the wrong way, I mean that a good manager won't worry about the past, they'll know they can do a good job. And we did play poor football under Robson for a year and a half, I saw it with my eyes and stuff. The decline was there for all to see. Okay man. But nobody in professional football thinks Dalglish, Gullit, Sir Bobby and even Souness are jokes. Do you think Blackburn would have got relegated if Allardyce was their manager? I want you to understand, from the outside looking-in it looks like a mistake on our behalf. That is my point. From the outside, 4th, 3rd, 5th, boo'd and then fired. Followed by not reaching those heights for 9 painful years. It looks like a terrible decision. Allardyce. From the outside, gets chopped and the next full season we go down. It wouldn't have happened with him at the helm. It looks a bad decision. Keegan. Ran out of the club by the owners. Horrible. Hughton. Gets us promoted then is fired. Looks a bad decision. This paints a very negative picture of the patience of our fans and management. We never stick with manager's through difficult seasons. Everybody knows this. It makes our club less attractive to good managers.

What the f*** are you on about man. General consensus on here is that "all our ex-managers have been shit and deserved to get sacked". The wider football world doesn't see it like that.

dis gon be gud The mistake was hiring them, I agree. But as an outsider, would you see it that way? We've hired managers that have won big trophies and have been great players - sacked. We've hired from within, sacked after a season or two. We should have given SBR and Hughton more time. We wouldn't have gotten relegated with Fat Sam even though i despised him. A good manager should be confident enough in their own ability to not worry about s**** like that. Live for the day, not the daft little trends you think you've identified. Whether Robson should have been given more time is debatable, I'd agree about Hughton though certainly. Your comment about Allardyce is crazy. He left when we were going nowhere but downwards (hoofing the ball up to Owen and Martins), then Keegan came in and kept us safe. We got relegated the following season, so I'm not sure what you mean - that we should have kept ahold of Allardyce as long as possible so we stayed in the league? Daft little trend? Every manager we've had since Keegan has either gone into semi-retirement or had to drop down a division to rebuild their careers. These are respected football men. I don't "live for the day" regarding my career and I doubt a football manager is any different. 1 and a half years of nothing football and we finished 3rd and 5th. I personally hate Fat Sam. But none of his teams will get relegated from the PL. I'm sure everyone in football knows this. He's just not a NUFC manager, we have to play nice football, bad fit. But you can see how it might look like a bad decision to sack him from the outside right?

I hope we realise, that manager's "failing" at NUFC looks worse on us than it does on those managers to those on the outside?

So have all Spurs managers IIRC. Is that the same? There are probably a few clubs in a similar situation. Spurs were a joke before they rebuilt their scouting network and academy, brought in Arnesen was it? And gave Jol 4 years. Jol who came from a smaller, foreign club. That's one of the two routes we should take imo. Jol made them an attractive option again.

dis gon be gud The mistake was hiring them, I agree. But as an outsider, would you see it that way? We've hired managers that have won big trophies and have been great players - sacked. We've hired from within, sacked after a season or two. We should have given SBR and Hughton more time. We wouldn't have gotten relegated with Fat Sam even though i despised him.

I'm talking from a prospective manager's POV. You won't look down at Gullit or Dalglish for not doing much after NUFC because they're not in that position. They'll look at their position before they joined us because that's more relevant. I know we've hired poor managers. But from the outside looking-in, NUFC looks a bit of a poisoned chalice. Apart from Keegan, they've all been sacked in the PL era. You go to NUFC and most likely, you'll have to rebuild your career.

Did anyone come in for Moyes before Man Utd? Genuine question.

No doubt, most of them have been poor. But they've also not been given a long time to prove themselves. The vast majority of our previous managers had good success before they joined us. Managers know this and it doesn't speak well of our club. I remember most people on here wanting SBR to be replaced after one dodgy season after 2 excellent seasons previously. A 5th placed finish brought boo's on the final day iirc. Since the Souness era, I really don't think we have been a particularly attractive club for managers to join. We'll be better off going to the lower leagues or abroad.

You can laugh but that's what happens to Newcastle United managers.