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I'd swim across the North Sea, walk from the coast to Wigan, put Martinez on my back, carry him up to Newcastle, and then swim back home to make this happen. I'd swim back doing the backstroke with that c*** on my back. Lost all respect for him after he defended that shithouse tackle. Don't think Haidara or any of the players would fancy being managed by him after those comments. Could have a real negative impact appointing him after sacking Pardew, who seems to be reasonably popular in the dressing room if nothing else. Right because you think players care to what journalists writes about manager of other clubs? If Martinez came here and got them to pass the ball around I swear to go Benny, Marv, Cabaye, Ciss, Debuchy, Siss would all be wanking all over him.

Unless you're being facetious, please don't say things like that and refer to us as 'we'. It has no basis in reality. What I meant and have been saying is that those Newcastle fans who meet Mackems every day will get stick (that's what I meant with rough days). It's rough for everyone in the club in terms of football and has been this season, but I was refering to the every day life and the 'banter'. Ah okay. It won't work like that though.

Right except this weekend it wasn't like that. Nowhere close.

Time to resign then.

I'd swim across the North Sea, walk from the coast to Wigan, put Martinez on my back, carry him up to Newcastle, and then swim back home to make this happen. I'd help you out if it wasnt for the fact I don't think I can swim in cold water. But I'd fly to Wigan and carry him with you.

Won't agree with you hear Kanji. For me the goal is as obvious as the handball from Mbiwa. And possibly the shirt tug from Sayls too. Wouldn't have made a difference, confident they'd probably have pushed for a 2-1 win anyways.

Very, very low? Eh? Why not? He might not be signing a new contract at Everton and MA could easily do to Pardew what he did to Hughton; especially if the stories of MA's "ruthless streak" is all true. I mean obviously he'd be a fantastic appointment but surely he'd have better offers and might be put off by Ashley's reputation (which is probably a bit unfairly negative at this point.) And he has a salary of £3m or so a year. No way we'd pay a manager that. Really don't feel comfortable predicting what Ashely would or would not do anymore. True

Fair enough

Still go for Martinez.

Very, very low? Eh? Why not? He might not be signing a new contract at Everton and MA could easily do to Pardew what he did to Hughton; especially if the stories of MA's "ruthless streak" is all true. I mean obviously he'd be a fantastic appointment but surely he'd have better offers and might be put off by Ashley's reputation (which is probably a bit unfairly negative at this point.) And he has a salary of £3m or so a year. No way we'd pay a manager that.

Unless you're being facetious, please don't say things like that and refer to us as 'we'. It has no basis in reality. What I meant and have been saying is that those Newcastle fans who meet Mackems every day will get stick (that's what I meant with rough days). It's rough for everyone in the club in terms of football and has been this season, but I was refering to the every day life and the 'banter'.

That's the hard part to swallow. It's not like they are a good team, they were better because it was clear it meant more to their players than ours.

I understand if anyone really is doing it though. Haven't done it myself, btu the other day I was being insulted on here by some for voicing my opinion. Now these exact same people are either hiding or expressing the same opinion.

Yep - painful that it happened in the Derby, esp at SJP, but it HAS been coming - did anyone on here seriously believe that we would win after Johnson scored their second..? How many times have we scored 3 goals this seasn and won the match as well..? Pardew's teams are negative and over-cautious....they caught us 3 times on the break but in truth, they were better set-up to win the game. We lack rapid movement when attacking, esp off the ball and that makes it easy for sides to draw us in. The fact that we lost heavily to the Mackems is bad , but the main issue is that Pardew has been found out, well and truly. We are now in a big battle against relegation because if we can get caught on the break like this against our friends' frrom Wearside, think how Liverpool and Arsenal will do with their forwards.... WBA and QPR away our best hope of points. Shocking thing is we have found him out, prem coaches have found him out even the dumbest football pundits on the telly has worked him out, yet he still has his followers. I wouldn't be worried about being caught on the break. Now he has giving attacking football two chances we will go immediately back to defensive grind and long ball. There will be no caught on the break, just full on arse raping and sustained pressure. He hasn't given offensive football a chance man. If you think putting offensive players onto the pitch is offensive football I don't know what to tell you other than look at more football games outside the UK.

You can't hate Sunderland. Not going to talk about being classier here but we lost fair and square. It's rough days for you guys over there but we are still one point ahead of them and that's what REALLY matters.

This to be honest. Last thing we all need after a result like that is the 'I told you so's' joyously dancing on their keyboards. Aye it's bollocks it's as if some people are pleased to be proven right. Has to go now. It's not weird is it when people are putting you on the ignore list and calling some of us idiots for being right just couple of days back. (Haven't done it but feel many of us have the right to vent out for being called stuff while being right). I'm happy many are seeing what many of us saw over months ago, I just happen to hate the fact it came against these guys.

Came on did couple of nice things, then noticed we were hopeless and tried to change the game on his own. Didn't work.

Exactly, it's unbelievable. When we attacked today we looked like this Krul Cabaye Sayls MBiwa Jonas Tiote Sissoko Gouffran Debuchy Marveaux Cisse And this isn't evena joke, this was our first half set up.

Not only weren't they fired up which is his job to make sure they are, but they also had no idea what positions they were playing.

My rational side still believes this. Every other part of me wants nothing more than to wake up in the morning to the news that we sacked the f***er. Well and then again you know very little of the sport so.

You can't other than applaud them and I guess that's hard for you guys living over there. But this is football, we came into this game with a mentality that we were better and safe from relegation. They came into this game with nothing to lose and everything to win. I'm not saying they won't go down, but the performance of their players was far more respectable than ours. Credit to Di Canio and his side for coming here and pushing even though they were leading. They don't have many good players but they played like a team something we haven't done since maybe the Chelsea second half.

Agreed. No point in sacking him now. I think he deserves not to be sacked after this loss for is own good. Season is over and there's no way we wont get at least another win and draw this season. Seriously? If we don't beat WBA; Liverpool, West Ham or QPR we truly deserve to go down.

Agreed. No point in sacking him now. I think he deserves not to be sacked after this loss for is own good. Season is over and there's no way we wont get at least another win and draw this season.

Been saying this. He's a League 1 manager Di Canio, but so is Pardew.

Clueless man, absolutely clueless. Attacking approach? No shape to this tactics. Sissoko falls down deep to pick up the ball why Cabaye and Tiote act like fucking quarterbacks. Are you kidding me? This isn't football. Never been and never will be.