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Apparently a lot of stuff gone on in Sao Paulo as they met Tigres from Argentina today for the Copa Sudamericana final (Europe League over there). Tigres refused to come back onto the pitch after half time and the referee had to give Sao Paulo the victory as they led 2-0. Apparently were bunch of problems in the first half and the police had to intervene. Tigres coach saying they didn't come out as the military police threatened to shoot them as the Tigres players were close to invade Sao Paulos locker room as they tried to get to their players. Love South American football, so nice to not have developed so this shit still goes on...embarassing really.

Big cultural connection between Japan and Brazil, Sao Paulo has the highest concentration of Japanese people outside of Japan. Lots of Germans in Brazil aswell? Think I read that somewhere. All dem descendents of escaped Nazis after WWII. Aye quite a lot in the Southern parts of Brazil. Some cities have these german houses and everything.

He should be sitting on the legends side already. Shit picture especially with Falcao and CRonaldo waiting to go there without them ever having a chance

You're Swedish aren't you? I recognize your name from the old magpies.nu forums. Just to get the context of your views on Ronaldo, how do you rate him in comparison to Zlatan for example? Aye, half Swedish. Depends on which Ronaldo, in any case I rate both quite much higher than Zlatan tbf. Zlatan is a top top striker, but even today in a time where we don't have as many good strikers as years back I don't see him as a top 5 in the world. I rate Falcao, Messi, CRonaldo, Suarez, van Persie, Rooney all above him tbf. Then I think it instantly makes an absolute mockery of the ridiculous lengths you go to fight your case for Pele, regardless of your Brazilian heritage. I've said this time and time before, I've seen over 100 matches of Pele play. I'm grown up in a football family spending hours watching football a day. Sure I wasn't there to see every single game of his, but I'd think I've seen more of Pele than I have of Messi as I don't watch Barcelona against Vallecano, Valladolid, Deportivo and so on. I've had this discussion before and people have actually been fair on that, but I guess you found your lousy argument trying to make a point. I respect your sentiments and do find you have valid arguments regarding CR even if I don't agree on them a slight bit. But like VI and Tooj are saying you not only do a great disservice to Romario, you also prove you didn't watch him. I mean everyone talks about freekicks and so on but I could go on and name at the very least 10 players who were better than CRonaldo. And to all of you talking about CRonaldo and his freekicks, I hope you realize he has scored in something of like 7% of his freekicks with only like 24% hitting the target. This stat was on Swedish tv the other day. Look up Zico, a man regarded by many as the greatest player (well until Messi) not to win a World Cup. That guy was an attacking midfielder who dominated games and he COULD strike a ball from a freekick. For me and many many others Zico was a much better player than todays CRonaldo. So was Maradona, Messi, Garrincha, Cruyff, Beckenbauer. These guys had something else about them something the absolute best had. I'm not taking anything away from CRonaldo, he's just nowhere near the absolute top of the best of all times.

Don't necessarily agree here. I love Iniesta to bits, but CRonaldo is still the 2nd best in the world at the moment and that also seems to be the consensus.

Check out my forum name. How old are you? What's your name? Where do you live?

Wait, what? The smily takes away the first part ffs. Come on. And what I mean with boring organized football is that we won't give Chelsea space to play. We're not playing Chelsea until February.

As well as the middle class in Brazil growing with 40% over the last couple of years as well as Corinthians being in it for the first time gives them the opportunity to go there now that they can afford it. It was mental the amount of support Corinthians has like. I just got back from Sao Paulo and even on the motorways there's people flogging coke and flags in the middle of traffic and such (That much is normal I know). Some people there told me it was sort of like 'the club of the people' the same way AC Milan were? Still a canny amount with Ronaldo on the back of the shirt from this time there, albeit brief like. Loved the place Flamengo has the biggest support in Brazil, but like you said Corinthians is the club of the people. It's a saying that everyone from the favelas supports Corinthians. Corinthians is not only for football though so there was a joke that the Brazilian Olympic Federation sent to few 'Corinthianos' to the Olympics and that's the reason Brazil gained so few medals, and that if had they sent more Brazil would've returned to Brazil with 75 bronzes, 55 silvers and 30 golds. Along with 100 of Rolex watches and the Queens crown. That kind of shows what level the Corinthians team has and their 'stereotype'. It's reported that Flamengo has 33million supporters across Brazil and Corinthians 26millions more or less. Huge numbers.

As well as the middle class in Brazil growing with 40% over the last couple of years as well as Corinthians being in it for the first time gives them the opportunity to go there now that they can afford it.

Wait, what? The smily takes away the first part ffs. Come on. And what I mean with boring organized football is that we won't give Chelsea space to play.

We will absolutely murder Chelsea. Corinthians will give Chelsea hell of a match because we play a boring organized football.

Nonsense. Are you saying there isn't an art to taking penalties? There is a reason Rooney takes our penalties and not Rafael. There's a reason Arteta takes the penalties for Arsenal and not Mertesacker. When he played in the EPL, Ronaldo took something like ten penalties in a row that were ALL in the bottom left corner. The goalkeeper knew it was going there, everyone in the stadium knew it was going there, but it was hit with such precision and pace and it was unstoppable. Ronaldo takes incredible penalties. It is absolutely a plus point and something that warrants inclusion in regards to rating a footballer. You must be kidding me. There is an 'art' to taking penalties? Guys I think we need to put Shola as one of the greatest ever since he has managed to be so great at one of these 'arts'. Laughable argument. I mean you can never have watched enough of Romario. I think you could ask VI about this, but the man didn't give a s*** about training or effort. He would just come into games and score goals. And you probably aren't a big fan of the World Cup because you never see your country in it. In the end, except in this forum, most people consider it the greatest tournament of them all. That's why it's the biggest sporting event in the World and always has been.

The thing is for me Zidane, Platini, Cruyff, Di Stefano, Ronaldo, Romario, Beckenbauer, Garrincha, Zico were all better players then him. CRonaldo might fit into the top 40 best of all time or so on, but he's never going into a list of top 20 greatest players to grace the game. He doesn't have that talent about him, he's more of a machine. Also love how you put 'can score penalties' as a positive thing. Dude, anyone can score penalties ffs.

Calling his performance cowardly. WTF have I missed?

What shocked me the most is that our midfield three (Tiote, Marv and Anita) was clicking against Wigan. THe only player in the midfield that day that was really below par was Jonas, and yet Pardew played him for 90full minutes. How is that even possible. I have no doubt in my mind that we would've been more balanced and had more movement had Marv started for Jonas. We need someone who could drive the ball from the middle with speed and open up play, all Jonas was doing last night was clogging up the running lanes for Ben Arfa and Santon. Pardew now has 5 tough games to turn this around and I can definitely see us getting only 2p from those 5. And that will definitely put us into a relegation scrap come January.

Eh? What?

Berbatov man. Fucking hell. What a player. Took the piss out of us time and time again.

If Hughton was sacked after a poor run of form, sack this fucker too now.

90 minutes. Is Pardew smashing him or what?

Bigi to be the saviour.

Without Colo we would've lost this by 5.

There we go. Thats why Pardew put Shola on. Work rate.

DO you have any stats to back that up?