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I watched the game last night and I don't think we had anyone playing in centre mid so this could be useful. Very Stupid comment from Chris R..... This football club need midfielders more than anything else. Thats why we are in this league and thats why we are struggling at times. Utterly, utterly wrong. We desperately need wingers. We were doing "OK" until we sold N'Somnia and Milner, both of whom are doing well for their new clubs in the big boys league. We swapped those 2 for Duff and Jonas (Yeah, I know Duff was already here), the first of whom when not injured lived up to his name and the latter, for all his dribbling, couldn't pass water. That's why we're in this league. Though of course now Duff has been replaced with Pancrate which at this moment in time doesn't exactly look like an improvement. We're therefore left with humping high balls up to the strikers, who despite being taller than last year's midget strikeforce of Owen and Martins are massively short of the quality of either of them. And that is why we're struggling at times. More central midfielders will solve nothing, no matter who they are. We need width. Pace, creativity and someone who can bang a cross in so we don't look so hopelessly one-dimensional. Completely disagree that losing the likes of N'Zogbia was the reason we dropped down a division, it had far more to do with the management of the club and some of the wasters that were left behind. I also agree with the other two that our central midfield is shit and we could certainly do with a creative central midfielder, much more then we could do with a right winger (Jonas currently being the only player in our midfield who does any attacking at all).

I don't agree that Ameobi was terrible, I think he got nowt from the ref and his touch and link up play was a lot better then Carrolls when he came on. However it is a bit odd to give him a 7 when he was 100% at fault for the first goal.

Had West Brom brought some fans it would have been well over 40k at least

He's fuking s***. Cameron Jerome looks twice as dangerous as Jonas. Mickey Mouse armed with a pillow looks twice as dangerous as Jonas man. Yea lets blame Jonas...bravo. And where did i blame him? He's s**** at everything apart from running with the ball, zero creativity, but still our best attacking mid unfortunately. Bravo for being stupid BTW. Im stupid because i dont agree with you, like you said he was our best attacking midfielder, has a s*** final ball yep but there is far worse in the team..aka the anonymous nolan tonight.. yet you choose to single him out. That makes me stupid? f*** off to mensa will you. I didn't single him out you thick cretin, i've had a go at near everyone who's deserved it tonight. Tosser. What makes me a "thick cretin" then rude boy? Dunno, your IQ? That's what generally makes people thick. The cretin part would come from upbringing. Is this the part where all the regular posters start gang banging me because i dont post that often and i disagreed with someone? Nope, I think you're right and he's talking shit to be honest.

He clearly knew exactly where he was as he looked over at him. But instead of going to Bednar he tried to put himself in a position to cut out any ball to him.

Must win? For West Brom maybe, certainly not for us.

Where have you found 2009 wage bills by the way? I know all the wage bills for 2008 due to financial reports but I'd be interested to see any real info on 2009 wages.

The average as in all wage bills combined and divided by the number of clubs, however that will be distorted by the massive wage bill of the top four plus Man City (and us to a degree). Most Premiership clubs will have wage bills nowhere near £60m.

more probably levy is very tight when it comes to player out fees Levy is also very focused on removing anyone on high wages from the wage bill if they're not seen as first team anymore. Even if he has to sell for less then they're worth. If Keane isn't a first team regular by the end of the season and a bidding war doesn't break out they'll be prepared to let him go on the cheap IMO.

If they don't Iphone will have an app for it.

Just that I usually buy online with my card but I can't today. Might pop over now and get a ticket then. Or does the club shop in the MetroCentre sell tickets? Because I was going to go there first anyway.

When's the earliest I can buy tickets at the ground with cash?

Still wouldn't be at all suprised too see Beckford move before January is over. At the end of the day he's still not going to sign a new contract and if Leeds recieve a decent offer they'll sell no matter what announcements they make.

From revenue when we're back in the Premiership I assume. They're effectively looking at taking the fans money as a loan, so the club then pays interest on that loan to the fans. When we were in the Premiership before Ashley came in we were paying nearly £10m interest on our loans every season. But what they're proposing is a very low rate of interest in comparison to any normal loan so even a few hundred million pounds from fans would only cost the club a few million a season in interest payments. As to money to run the club, I've said it plenty of times before but this club shouldn't need someone paying for it to survive if its run even half decently. Obviously it hasn't been run even close to decently in a long time. Because of that we've been put in a shitty situation and IF we fucked up promotion then I'd ask the question how they would finance the club, as revenue vs outgoings would continue to be tight. But as long as we return to the Premiership there'll be money enough to run the club (including transfers). Also I assume that after they buy the club (in theory of course) they would continue to sell shares, which would add too our revenue further.

Problem is when they finally drop the act there'll likely be more teams willing to pay the £1.5m. As usual though I suppose Ashley just thinks he'll take the risk

The pretentious casual attitude from Leeds is hilarious "Ah if we sell we sell and if we don't well then I look forward to having him until the end of the season". Yeah right.. if he hasn't gone by late January they'll be coming to the likes of us and other teams asking if we'll take him for £1.5m.

If you're going to remove Given and N'Zogbia from the wage bill then you'd need to add Nolan and Taylor to it. Personally I guessed at our player wage bill as dropping about £26m. Think we should all just wait until the 2009 accounts come out and we'll have a much better idea.

They knew Owen, Viduka were out of contract which were the big hitters that drop it to £60m Lovenkrands and Cacapa were out of contract too. Given & Nzogbia were also on the payroll that contributed to the £70m so that drops you to £55m. Not sure about the other £10m like. Happy Face EDIT: Damn it Stu! Given and N'Zogbia left but Nolan and Taylor came in, which would have left the £70m bill pretty much the same. I agree the out of contract players going would drop it to between £55m and £60m, but like you say there's still at least £10m unaccounted for.

The first thing that jumps out at me from those figures is the apparent predicted wage bill and predicted player sales. Baring in mind we had a 70m wage bill before we sold those players, how on earth could the club predict a wage bill of £45m while also predicting that we'd sell no players? Also where are they even getting the estimated figures? Has to be there own estimations, which is just guess work. Still at least its a lot more to go on then that last email.

Yet in our next game it'll be proved right again We didn't lose support in two weeks, FA cup isn't included in a season ticket. So no doubt absolutely loads of them decided not to pay extra for a shit game they care almost nothing about in shit weather on a Wednesday night (and with level 7 closed which was an off puter to me personally). Just look at the other FA cup attenances recently, I think every game yesterday came to 30,000 combined. Personally I expected our attendance to be 20,000 and IMO that would have been good in the circumstances.

Evil. Isn't that roughly what Real Madrid did when they were in trouble? Sold their training ground for £200m+ and started renting it for £1 a year or something? Real Madrid didn't sell it to one of their own companies though. If this is true it sounds more like what the Shepherds did when they sold a NUFC owned warehouse to one of their relatives for a a few hundred thousand and then rented it back to the club for twice that amount per year.

Are you being serious? They bought the club with a loan that is against the club rather then themselves. They've put none of their own money in and taken no risks at all personally and turned the club from a money making machine into one that bleeds money faster then Abramovich's wallet in the process. For that fantastic job they've taken a £23m fee!, its almost beyond believe, would be terrible if it wasn't happening to such a horrible club.

If buying players only affects the P&L over time (ie spend over the period of the contract), surely the same is the case for selling players? Profits/losses on player sales are shown in the year the player is sold. Example: Player is bought for £8 million on a 4 year contract. The P&L is charged (amortisation) £2 million every year of the contract. If however the player is sold after 2 years for £6 million then the P&L will show a profit that year of £2 million - being £6 million less the written down value of the player of £4 million(8-4). Edit: Just for clarification - once the player has been sold no further charges are made to the P&L and the player disappears from the club accounts. So given what we paid for the players sold in the last 5 months, shouldn't the profit on players in the last 5 months be hefty? Genuine question.... Bassong is bought for £0 on a 4 year contract. The P&L is charged (amortisation) £0 million every year of the contract. However the player is sold after 1 year for £8 million then the P&L will show a profit that year of £8 million - being £8 million more the marked up value of the player of £8 million(8-0). and the other players were Martins Beye and Duff who's combined profit/loss is dwarfed by the size of the bassong deal. Similarly large profits would have been realised on Given, Nzogbia and Milner recently too if I understand you right. No? Absolutely yes, but it'll be a paper profit only, the cash flow will be quite different as the real money from those transfers will come in staggered payments. So to be clear what you need to do when these accounts come out is actually look at the cash flow, not the basic accounts. I bet if you looked at the real cash flow for those accounts for West Brom they'd show something very different to the profit you posted.

Most Football clubs can't survive without extra help. We certainly can, but not when we're in the Championship and still paying wages that are high for most Premiership clubs (also remember the money we got for players sold is paid to us in staggered installments, we'll still be getting that money next season and probably the season after that). Big crowds and parachute payments is a great help but until you look at all the costs it won't tell you anywhere near the full story about our current financial situation Once the latest set of accounts come out we'll have a good basis for comparison though. As that will tell us what position we were in before we lost Premiership revenue and cut our wage bill. By the way I didn't say there was no chance at all of any kind of profit by the end of the season, just that I'd be suprised. What I don't believe there's any chance of is the kind of profits you and the NUST are mentioning.

NUST told us where the info comes from, problem is it clearly doesn't back up their claim: How can they claim the club is currently making £7m profit per month based on info that they themselves say are only potential figures on return to the Premiership?