Northern Monkey

i think he bothered,just didn't think davies,upson,neill were worth the money. disagree about putting the kids in. Then he was wrong. We have one of the worst centre backs, and worst left backs, in the premiership. We're lucky to have an aged - good - right winger to play at right back, else we'd have a hat trick. I think Neill is s***, but him and the other 2 you mentioned are still better than the s**** we have. Roeder failed to get what we needed, thats a fact. But regardless of that, my point about there being no injury list stands. so why pay over the top for players marginally better than what we have...roeder failed to get what we needed,ferguson failed to get the keane replacement.i'd have been more pissed off buying zat knight for £7mill than getting through with what we have. Who said marginally? Upson is a considerably better player than Shambles. Neill is a better full back than that lazy cretin. Roeder. Failed. To. Buy. What. We. Needed. Twice. And then spent money on a player we needed FAR less than we needed defenders.

The sleeves are a bit rank.

I would always support my country above any other nation, regardless of who played for the opposition. Exactly the same as i wouldn't support Man Utd above Newcastle if the Mancs happened to field 5 Geordies and we fielded none. ... and therein lies the difference. I care significantly less about Scotland and the USA than I care about how NUFC performs and I imagine the majority on here do (edit: about their own respective Countries - I am well aware of the fact that the USA and especially Scotland are... loathed by the majority on here). Convesely I never support ManUre even if they are the only british team in Europe... I just won't do it. i don't see the need to have an "either club or country" attitude. I can love both, there is no conflict. I will also support no other English team (British being irrelvant) in Europe - why would anyone do that? I don't support another European team if (when ) England get kicked out of a World Cup.

i think he bothered,just didn't think davies,upson,neill were worth the money. disagree about putting the kids in. Then he was wrong. We have one of the worst centre backs, and worst left backs, in the premiership. We're lucky to have an aged - good - right winger to play at right back, else we'd have a hat trick. I think Neill is shit, but him and the other 2 you mentioned are still better than the shite we have. Roeder failed to get what we needed, thats a fact. But regardless of that, my point about there being no injury list stands.

I would always support my country above any other nation, regardless of who played for the opposition. Exactly the same as i wouldn't support Man Utd above Newcastle if the Mancs happened to field 5 Geordies and we fielded none.

I think that's a bit of a harsh attitude towards Northern Ireland football. I can be as proud as I want standing in Windsor, which is in my own country as opposed to Dublin which is in a foreign country. By that rationale, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should exist as a British team, which I wouldn't want to see either. As David Humphries, Ulster & Ireland rugby player said, "It's good playing for Ireland but nothing beats playing for your own country" (May not be exact words used) NI isn't in Britain, though is it. Its in the UK. Like CaliMag I don't want to get into a political thread but I was referring to British nationality, in the same way that the likes of Owen Hargreaves is 'English' No, i mean that literally, NI is not part of the British isles, regardless of politics. get your point.that's how the rest of europe sees england and scotland. But i thought that officially we ARE part of Europe? (i'd rather not be at times, but hey). NI is part of the UK, but not the British Isles, is my point. Ireland is part of the british isles. No, its not. Sorry. ... Just amended, sorry.

I think that's a bit of a harsh attitude towards Northern Ireland football. I can be as proud as I want standing in Windsor, which is in my own country as opposed to Dublin which is in a foreign country. By that rationale, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should exist as a British team, which I wouldn't want to see either. As David Humphries, Ulster & Ireland rugby player said, "It's good playing for Ireland but nothing beats playing for your own country" (May not be exact words used) NI isn't in Britain, though is it. Its in the UK. Like CaliMag I don't want to get into a political thread but I was referring to British nationality, in the same way that the likes of Owen Hargreaves is 'English' No, i mean that literally, NI is not part of the British isles, regardless of politics. get your point.that's how the rest of europe sees england and scotland. But i thought that officially we ARE part of Europe? (i'd rather not be at times, but hey). NI is part of the UK, but not the British Isles, is my point. Ireland is part of the british isles. Sorry, Great Britain, i meant.

There is no injury list - only one person - Owen. No-one else is good enough, and Roeder has just been stupid enough to not to bother replacing people.

I'm sure that him coming back "stronger than before," isn't going to happen, unless he's operated on his hamstrings while inside his knee. No operation took place on his hamstrings but he has spent a lot of his rehab with the guy who fixed Dyer's hamstring and he has stated before he has refined his running style to help his hamstrings. Not going to make him "stronger" though is it? Sounds like the sort of thing Roeder would say...."Michael will come back better and stronger, i know that"......

NI, Wales, England and Scotland aen't "regions" though. They are genuine seperate countries, who happen to have come shared borders, and a (unsuccessful) recent history of centralised governemnt. I can't imagine the badness of a UK (or British Isles) team. Urgh.

I did think of him, it must be an age thing.

I think that's a bit of a harsh attitude towards Northern Ireland football. I can be as proud as I want standing in Windsor, which is in my own country as opposed to Dublin which is in a foreign country. By that rationale, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should exist as a British team, which I wouldn't want to see either. As David Humphries, Ulster & Ireland rugby player said, "It's good playing for Ireland but nothing beats playing for your own country" (May not be exact words used) NI isn't in Britain, though is it. Its in the UK. Like CaliMag I don't want to get into a political thread but I was referring to British nationality, in the same way that the likes of Owen Hargreaves is 'English' No, i mean that literally, NI is not part of the British isles, regardless of politics. get your point.that's how the rest of europe sees england and scotland. But i thought that officially we ARE part of Europe? (i'd rather not be at times, but hey). NI is part of the UK, but not the British Isles, is my point.

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I think that's a bit of a harsh attitude towards Northern Ireland football. I can be as proud as I want standing in Windsor, which is in my own country as opposed to Dublin which is in a foreign country. By that rationale, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should exist as a British team, which I wouldn't want to see either. As David Humphries, Ulster & Ireland rugby player said, "It's good playing for Ireland but nothing beats playing for your own country" (May not be exact words used) What I said is admittedly harsh and as I said controversial. I still feel that way though. I think the comparison with NI as opposed to Scotland/Wales/England is not completely the same, but there are admitted similarities. I dont want to hijack this thread by discussing "the troubles" but obviously I feel that if NI were forced to play with a unified Ireland that might help bring the communities closer together and even if it didn't it would be one less excuse to drive them apart... which you must admit Windsor Park certainly does. Example: Lennon's reception a few years ago. Despite my own feelings on the matter, I can't do anything except tip my hat to the current NI set up and respectfully acknowledge how much they have drastically improved with very little talent at their disposal (quite stunning really). It is possible NI qualifies and England does not which would be sweet. bearing in mind they are 2 seperate countries,where as england,scotland,wales and northern irealnd aren't really seperate,wouldn't it make more sense to join up the "home" nations. i don't support this but it seems more logical (captain) than the other suggestion. I don't see NI and the south as being seperate countries. Just because WE made it that way last century, doesn't make it right. regardless of wether it's right or not,they are seperate countries I disagree, but this isn't the forum. Literally.

I think that's a bit of a harsh attitude towards Northern Ireland football. I can be as proud as I want standing in Windsor, which is in my own country as opposed to Dublin which is in a foreign country. By that rationale, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should exist as a British team, which I wouldn't want to see either. As David Humphries, Ulster & Ireland rugby player said, "It's good playing for Ireland but nothing beats playing for your own country" (May not be exact words used) NI isn't in Britain, though is it. Its in the UK. Like CaliMag I don't want to get into a political thread but I was referring to British nationality, in the same way that the likes of Owen Hargreaves is 'English' No, i mean that literally, NI is not part of the British isles, regardless of politics.

I know what you mean about Owen, i just have an underlying fear about him. Possibly because we need him so much. I'm not buying that he'll come back as strong as before or stronger. That doesn't tend to happen does it. Hopefully he'll be good enough still, though - like i say, we need Lil' Mikey.

Coming from my pal who frequently questions me if I have seen any players (I suggested) live Not being funny but you come out with things like "so and so (who has made ONE senior start) for Middlesborough is better than Taylor" how the fuck do you know that? You claim to know about pretty much every youth player at Manchester United and a few other clubs. You must travel the country watching a hell of a lot of reserve/youth matches OR (and I think this is the case) you spend too much time playing Football manager games and getting all your "knowledge" from how these players develop. That WOULD explain some "he's a great player for NUFC, world class*" type shite from a number of posters on here.....so busy playing games, they can't actually go to the game. * ie - "Bramble has potential", "Babayaro has shown he has the heart".....yadda yadda.

I think that's a bit of a harsh attitude towards Northern Ireland football. I can be as proud as I want standing in Windsor, which is in my own country as opposed to Dublin which is in a foreign country. By that rationale, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should exist as a British team, which I wouldn't want to see either. As David Humphries, Ulster & Ireland rugby player said, "It's good playing for Ireland but nothing beats playing for your own country" (May not be exact words used) What I said is admittedly harsh and as I said controversial. I still feel that way though. I think the comparison with NI as opposed to Scotland/Wales/England is not completely the same, but there are admitted similarities. I dont want to hijack this thread by discussing "the troubles" but obviously I feel that if NI were forced to play with a unified Ireland that might help bring the communities closer together and even if it didn't it would be one less excuse to drive them apart... which you must admit Windsor Park certainly does. Example: Lennon's reception a few years ago. Despite my own feelings on the matter, I can't do anything except tip my hat to the current NI set up and respectfully acknowledge how much they have drastically improved with very little talent at their disposal (quite stunning really). It is possible NI qualifies and England does not which would be sweet. bearing in mind they are 2 seperate countries,where as england,scotland,wales and northern irealnd aren't really seperate,wouldn't it make more sense to join up the "home" nations. i don't support this but it seems more logical (captain) than the other suggestion. I don't see NI and the south as being seperate countries. Just because WE made it that way last century, doesn't make it right.

Doom and gloom?? As if. I hope to fuck he comes good when he gets back. I have a fear around his ability to change his game to cope with his likely loss of pace, but i'll be pleased to see him back, we need him. On an unrelated (other than being a striker thing), i hope to god someone is stupid enough to make a bid for Ameobi, because i'm fucking damned sure Roeder is stupid enough to play him. Not from the start, because even Genius Glenn isn't THAT daft, but to try to "change the game".......dear god, the very thought. I suppose if we want to, say, change a game to a one where we have less chance of scoring, that woudl be ok. Other than that, any game where we have to play Shola is a sad one.

Coming from my pal who frequently questions me if I have seen any players (I suggested) live Still a valid point. Back to the actual matter at hand - Bramble is not a Premiership defender by any stretch of even the most blinkered toon fans imagination, and the wrong-haired Brown is. So he is better than Shambles. Ipso facto, as they say on Kavanagh QC.

I think that's a bit of a harsh attitude towards Northern Ireland football. I can be as proud as I want standing in Windsor, which is in my own country as opposed to Dublin which is in a foreign country. By that rationale, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should exist as a British team, which I wouldn't want to see either. As David Humphries, Ulster & Ireland rugby player said, "It's good playing for Ireland but nothing beats playing for your own country" (May not be exact words used) NI isn't in Britain, though is it. Its in the UK.

no wind up, he's no better than bramble Of course he's better than Bramble, he's a footballer! how many times have you seen him live (at a match) (not on a computer game) Which one? LIVE, i've ony seen Brown at our games vs Man Utd when he's played, as i don't go to watch Man Utd. Shambles, i've seen as many times as mist fans who go to the games. And he's an absolutely awful defender. One of the worst centre backs in the premiership.

no wind up, he's no better than bramble Of course he's better than Bramble, he's a footballer!

Or he'll score 3 in two and the doomsdayers will be claiming he is off in the summer! My version is more likely. World class, you know. Going to bring out the best in our other "international class" players......we're gonna win the league!!!

I would go for the Dutch as inger-land mean nothing to me these days. The thought of the baby bentley bling brigade winning a trophy doesn't mean a damn thing. Dyer?