Northern Monkey

Dyer and Emre aren't that "good", though. If they were top players, i'd agree with you. We NEED to replace the majority of the defence, and half of the midfield, or we will NEVER gdet back into the top 6. Right, so we're looking to sell 'average' players with high wages (Emre, Dyer) then replace them with 'ggod' players, on less of a wage. Hmmm, get the feeling, as awesome as he is, our manager may struggle with that. If we can't get a better player than Dire for £90k a week, then....oh, fuck it. Of COURSE we can get a better player than this mediocre piece of crap for that kind of money - less, even. If you think we shoudl keep that quality of player, and thats good enough for you, then good on you, you're Shepherds ideal type of fan. Spin-friendly and blind to the truth. Okayy... But who says Dyer isn't good enough for 'where we want to be'? It only sems to be a minority on here that thinks we should selll him. For the record, he isn't a £90,000 a week player, if thats true then he's a bad example. Yes, he is a £90k or thereabouts player. And he's not a "bad example", he's alive example of a mediocre player on top class wages. As for him not being good enough, he's not - he's done fairly poorly overall, but people are fooled by his running around. His end product is poor. Always has been.

Well, if we don't, we're fucked. As for the manager - do you, honestly, think Roeder is the man for us?? Yes/no answer is fine.

I did, £5 for 6 full size cans of Stella. Can't complain. Stella is rank though £20 for two crates of Tennants up here Urgh. I'd rather pay proper money for palatable beer.

shit,we are making a habit of this. Sshh, it's ok, no-one noticed.

he should hang his head. He, and his team, selections, tactics, substitutions and outright lies have been given far too much support this season, and when the excuses (lies/shite/typical Roeder bullshit) runs out, he turns on us. If ANYONE thinks he's still good enough, i'd love to hear why they think that. Ditto Babayaro, Shambles, Moore and Carr.

Dyer and Emre aren't that "good", though. If they were top players, i'd agree with you. We NEED to replace the majority of the defence, and half of the midfield, or we will NEVER gdet back into the top 6. Right, so we're looking to sell 'average' players with high wages (Emre, Dyer) then replace them with 'ggod' players, on less of a wage. Hmmm, get the feeling, as awesome as he is, our manager may struggle with that. If we can't get a better player than Dire for £90k a week, then....oh, fuck it. Of COURSE we can get a better player than this mediocre piece of crap for that kind of money - less, even. If you think we shoudl keep that quality of player, and thats good enough for you, then good on you, you're Shepherds ideal type of fan. Spin-friendly and blind to the truth.

Ameobi and Sibierski are about on a par - the Championship.

Neither should be an option.

proper supporters support the team of the place where they come from. Not true, some proper supporters support teams because of family members, my kids were always going to support Newcastle, regardless of where they were born. My nephew was born in the midlands but didnt have a choice in the matter, he was born black & white, we made sure of that. There's an argument that "come from" is a generational thing - but if i moved to Birmingham (as if), had kids, and THEY stayed there, had kids etc, i wouldn't expect my grandkids to be NUFC fans. If you are a brummie (which my grandkids would be) you should support a Birmingham team, in my opinion. You shouldn't necessarily be forced into supporting a team other than that of where you 'come from'. I know what you mean, but...I've been born and raised in Newcastle, but i support scotland as my national team. My dad's been taking me to scotland games since i was 5, so ive no choice in the matter. I'm a scotland fan, like it or not. Naturally, i would bring my son up as a scotland fan, despite him only being 1/4 scottish I respect that, but i don't get it. But hey, if football was THAT clear cut, no-one would ever have been stupid enough to defend that diseased, £85k a week, whining little wanker Dyer.

Dyer and Emre aren't that "good", though. If they were top players, i'd agree with you. We NEED to replace the majority of the defence, and half of the midfield, or we will NEVER gdet back into the top 6.

I'd get rid for anything we could get. It's be worth it on the saved wages.

you call him fat? is there anyone on this board who wouldn't bet that he'd anihilate you in any sort of physical activity As a professional footballer, he's a heavy (fat) cunt. Its nowt to do with ME, its to do with his incredible lack of ability as a footballer. He's a fat, rubbish, waste of space wanker.

A post of seemingly Gasuso-like irrelevance.

How often will you pretend that mediocre journeyment like Parker and Dyer are "much better" than performance after performance after performance shows?? Jesus. Every time they play s****, they get defended. Then on the rare occasions they perform, its taken as proof they are top class. Parker and Dyer aren't mediocre players though. I wasn't defending them at all, i was picking them out as the players who let us down today because they were awful yet they are four members of our squad who are amongst the best of a average/poor bunch. They are clearly better players than they have shown today, but don't take the point i made as if i was sticking up for them because i wasn't. I was picking them out for criticism more than anything. They are very much mediocre. They aren't 'international class', they're id table sloggers at the end of the day. And before you start on Dyer, he runs around a lot, and contributes pretty much f*** all. I've been one of Dyer's biggest critics on here in the past because of his attitude/injuries/lack of end product, but this season he's contributed with a few goals to be fair. I'm not calling him a great player at all though. I rate Parker but i'm not getting in an argument with you over him cos i can't be arsed. Been over it too many times. He was crap today. 4 league goals. Woo hoo. Well worth the money.

Question 1) Are they good enough for the FIRST TEAM of a club aiming for top 4 (via top 6)? Answer - No, not really. Question 2) Are they worth keeping on as squad players? Answer - bearing in mind their limited impact/ability, are they worth the £130k a week they cost us as SQUAD players, NO.

He's not a top player, people have to realise that. For every Spurs (?) game, foot-wrapped-around-ball scorcher, there's ten fluffed chances and poor positional runs. Thats not to say he CAN'T become a top player at some point, but to improve he needs: 1) Better team mates alongside him than Dyer and Sib. 2) Better team mates behind him than Dyer, Duff, Parker and Emre 3) A good (i.e. different) coaching team. 4) Time. 5) Top class ability (tbc)

Bollocks. I want a genuine top 6 team. So the likes of Parker, Ameobi, Dyer (if we want to push on, or even have a really consistent team) aren't good enough. I want a genuine top 4 team but it's not gonna happen overnight, and it certainly won't happen by selling the whole squad. I think some of you forget that you need a squad as well as a first 11. We need a GOOD ENOUGH squad. The players listed above by a number of us are NOT good enough.

He should be sacked NOW. If he wants a pay-off, let him take us to court. If he can prove he hasn't fucked us up the ass, he's a better person than i credit him with. We DO NOT need Roeder for the rest of the season. In fact, if we KEEP him, it'll harm us considerably more than getting rid ever could.

Then it must be true!! I think we need a new manager and 7 new players to be SURE of safety. Failing that, we'll have to hope Roeder is told to pack in the stupidity, and we scrape through.

Bollocks. I want a genuine top 6 team. So the likes of Parker, Ameobi, Dyer (if we want to push on, or even have a really consistent team) aren't good enough.

Ranieri was actually desperate for the job and was baffled as to why he hadn't heard back from Shepherd. Houllier talked of wanting to come back to the premiership and seemed to be genuinely interested in the job. Unfortunately Shepherd turned his nose up at them despit their premiership success, as a matter of fact a lot of fans did too. I would have gladly had either one of them back then and I still would. You're basing this definite, guaranteed, concrete active interest in the post on what? Made up media stuff, or just general lies? Ranieri publicly threw his name into the ring, didn't happen for whatever reason http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/4717126.stm Off a sentence or two, thats him "desperate for the job"

What he/she said?

My nephew wasn't forced into supporting us, more like brainwashed. Its all good, mate, really. Our lass isn't a mag (ex-Dirty Leeds ST holder), so i had ot make sure The Boy understood the "you support your local team thing".

Ooh, repressed memories resurface. Cheers for that.

How often will you pretend that mediocre journeyment like Parker and Dyer are "much better" than performance after performance after performance shows?? Jesus. Every time they play s****, they get defended. Then on the rare occasions they perform, its taken as proof they are top class. Parker and Dyer aren't mediocre players though. I wasn't defending them at all, i was picking them out as the players who let us down today because they were awful yet they are four members of our squad who are amongst the best of a average/poor bunch. They are clearly better players than they have shown today, but don't take the point i made as if i was sticking up for them because i wasn't. I was picking them out for criticism more than anything. They are very much mediocre. They aren't 'international class', they're id table sloggers at the end of the day. And before you start on Dyer, he runs around a lot, and contributes pretty much fuck all.