Northern Monkey

He should be given time, clearly. But, equally, we NEED to improve on our past few seasons, and if he doesn't have us close to achieving our goal (surely 6th) by the end of the season, he might as well go.

What i want from Roeder is some transfer action, and less of the rubbish about certain players - we don;t need a managerial equivalent of Ameobi - all bullshit and no ability. Let results do the talking, etc.

The pre-season is absolutely no indication of how he will do, but he needs to strengthen the first team verey quickly.

 

 

well you certainly couldn't

 

I expect it will wash straight over your head though and you'll be back to your usual rubbish tomorrow.

 

Have you answered my questions yet ?

 

 

 

No, I'll just create loads of pointless topics and get banned.  I'm only joking of course, nobody is daft enough to do that, are they?

 

Not to mention then complain about it on their own little forum  blueyes.gif

 

Btw NE5, you might want to know that Norther Monkey is back despite his promises to stay away 

Did you miss me? Bless your little backward heart.

I came on to check something, since you are so interested, and there were a few threads full of such rank stupidity even I couldn't resist. Don't worry, though, i'm only passing through occasionally - there's too much blind sycophancy and blinkered ass-kissing for my liking.

HE'S WINDING YOU ALL UP.

He must be, because Luque is the GREATEST striker in the world, and anyone who saw him last season and though the was very poor is WRONG, He must be GREAT, he has a showreel, and everything. Come on Albert, show us how FANTASTIC you are.

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Boss Tips Albert To Shine

 

By Gary Oliver

 

GLENN Roeder believes Albert Luque will be eager to impress when fellow Spaniards Villarreal come to St. James' Park for a pre-season friendly.

 

The former Deportivo La Coruna man has scored at the Gallowgate End in each of his last three outings on Tyneside - in Alan Shearer's Testimonial against Celtic, the Intertoto Cup tie with Lillestrom and the friendly with PSV Eindhoven last weekend.

 

And Roeder is sure Luque would love to maintain that scoring streak against his old La Liga rivals.

 

He told nufc.co.uk: "When Albert came on as a sub against PSV he did well.

 

"I got a lot of encouragement from Albert's performance in the second half and he'll have a good weeks training between then and Villarreal.

 

"I've given some of the lads a few days off this week, but I'm looking to get a good week out of Albert and I'm looking forward to seeing how he performs against Villarreal.

 

"Being a Spanish club, I'm sure he'll want to do very well against them."

 

Luque netted from the penalty spot against PSV in the 3-2 defeat and set up a chance for James Milner at the death, only for the youngster to fail to convert for an equaliser.

 

Roeder added: "Albert has the ability to unlock a defence, and it was a wonderful turn to put in James Milner for an equaliser, but he rushed the shot.

 

"He was also fighting others to get the ball when the penalty was awarded as he very much wanted to take it.

 

"I thought I got an excellent response from Albert on Saturday and I told him that's what I'm looking for.

 

"There were positive signs. We're playing a Spanish club this Saturday and I'm sure he'll want to have a good week training and be in the starting line up."

 

 

I do hope nobody actually believes that Roeder really thinks that.

 

So Roeder's a liar? That would go down well with your theory that Luque is heartless wouldn't it? Are you saying that you have not been encouraged by his recent performances?

 

Luque is getting better and better every game he has played this season. I hope it continues.   

 

I've only seen bits of ONE of his performances. I'm not saying Roeder is a liar. I'm saying that you have to take what managers say with a big pinch of salt, they may have other motives for saying things. You completely believe that Roeder thinks Butt has a future at NUFC, do you?

 

As for his performances, from what i have gathered, as i haven't bothered this pre-season, he's been alright. Unless he can start the season on fire, i'm not interested. His performances last season were pathetic, and he has a lot to make up. If he wants more time to bed in, tough. Either he's good enough now, or he's not. We'll see in the actual season, won't we.

 

I agree that we should really judge the chances of Luque succeeding at SJP on his performances in the premiership. However, i disagree that his last seasons performances were pathetic. I saw alot of lad play and i'm convinced that his failure to live up to his 9.5m expectation was due to alot of things.

 

One of those was injuries but he did also have alot of time to get fit after that. Another one was bad management under Greame Souness, that is a certainty. I also believe that once the crowd got on his back for not scoring he lost alot of confidence and because of this failed to perform for the rest of the season.

 

I think so far this year we have seen a different Luque. He looks sharper and shown quite a few glimpses of his "old self". However, my biggest worry is that Roeder will sign somone and then forget completely about the talented spaniard. What i'd like him to do is keep the rollercoaster going by easing him into games and playing him with other experianced stars such as Emre,Duff and Nobby. These are the players that can bring him into the game and get the best out of him. If they do that then eventually Luque will be the one bringing others into the game.   

We'll see, i guess. Nothing i saw last season made me think anything other than he will flop, but as an NUFC fan, i want what is best for the club - at the moment that is, as far as i am concerned, Luque immediately proving he is good enough, or being sold.

One thing i can't get past is the defence of him last season. Yes he was injured, but when he came back, he failed to show any individual sparks of great talent. No, the style may not have suited him, and maybe that was his bedding in time, but the ball and pitches are the same size as in Spain, with the same rules (bar the contintental non-contact rules), so i woudl have expected his "talent" to come through considerably more than it did on an individual basis. it wouldn't have been hard to look good last season, just look at Ameobi - there were a few games where he actually didn't look Special.

And blaming the fans is a no-no as well. No-one should be booed, but just running out in the strip does NOT automatically demand worship. You prove you are good enough, then you should get the full backing of the crowd. And for me, he faield to do that.

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Boss Tips Albert To Shine

 

By Gary Oliver

 

GLENN Roeder believes Albert Luque will be eager to impress when fellow Spaniards Villarreal come to St. James' Park for a pre-season friendly.

 

The former Deportivo La Coruna man has scored at the Gallowgate End in each of his last three outings on Tyneside - in Alan Shearer's Testimonial against Celtic, the Intertoto Cup tie with Lillestrom and the friendly with PSV Eindhoven last weekend.

 

And Roeder is sure Luque would love to maintain that scoring streak against his old La Liga rivals.

 

He told nufc.co.uk: "When Albert came on as a sub against PSV he did well.

 

"I got a lot of encouragement from Albert's performance in the second half and he'll have a good weeks training between then and Villarreal.

 

"I've given some of the lads a few days off this week, but I'm looking to get a good week out of Albert and I'm looking forward to seeing how he performs against Villarreal.

 

"Being a Spanish club, I'm sure he'll want to do very well against them."

 

Luque netted from the penalty spot against PSV in the 3-2 defeat and set up a chance for James Milner at the death, only for the youngster to fail to convert for an equaliser.

 

Roeder added: "Albert has the ability to unlock a defence, and it was a wonderful turn to put in James Milner for an equaliser, but he rushed the shot.

 

"He was also fighting others to get the ball when the penalty was awarded as he very much wanted to take it.

 

"I thought I got an excellent response from Albert on Saturday and I told him that's what I'm looking for.

 

"There were positive signs. We're playing a Spanish club this Saturday and I'm sure he'll want to have a good week training and be in the starting line up."

 

 

I do hope nobody actually believes that Roeder really thinks that.

 

So Roeder's a liar? That would go down well with your theory that Luque is heartless wouldn't it? Are you saying that you have not been encouraged by his recent performances?

 

Luque is getting better and better every game he has played this season. I hope it continues.   

I've only seen bits of ONE of his performances. I'm not saying Roeder is a liar. I'm saying that you have to take what managers say with a big pinch of salt, they may have other motives for saying things. You completely believe that Roeder thinks Butt has a future at NUFC, do you?

As for his performances, from what i have gathered, as i haven't bothered this pre-season, he's been alright. Unless he can start the season on fire, i'm not interested. His performances last season were pathetic, and he has a lot to make up. If he wants more time to bed in, tough. Either he's good enough now, or he's not. We'll see in the actual season, won't we.

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Boss Tips Albert To Shine

 

By Gary Oliver

 

GLENN Roeder believes Albert Luque will be eager to impress when fellow Spaniards Villarreal come to St. James' Park for a pre-season friendly.

 

The former Deportivo La Coruna man has scored at the Gallowgate End in each of his last three outings on Tyneside - in Alan Shearer's Testimonial against Celtic, the Intertoto Cup tie with Lillestrom and the friendly with PSV Eindhoven last weekend.

 

And Roeder is sure Luque would love to maintain that scoring streak against his old La Liga rivals.

 

He told nufc.co.uk: "When Albert came on as a sub against PSV he did well.

 

"I got a lot of encouragement from Albert's performance in the second half and he'll have a good weeks training between then and Villarreal.

 

"I've given some of the lads a few days off this week, but I'm looking to get a good week out of Albert and I'm looking forward to seeing how he performs against Villarreal.

 

"Being a Spanish club, I'm sure he'll want to do very well against them."

 

Luque netted from the penalty spot against PSV in the 3-2 defeat and set up a chance for James Milner at the death, only for the youngster to fail to convert for an equaliser.

 

Roeder added: "Albert has the ability to unlock a defence, and it was a wonderful turn to put in James Milner for an equaliser, but he rushed the shot.

 

"He was also fighting others to get the ball when the penalty was awarded as he very much wanted to take it.

 

"I thought I got an excellent response from Albert on Saturday and I told him that's what I'm looking for.

 

"There were positive signs. We're playing a Spanish club this Saturday and I'm sure he'll want to have a good week training and be in the starting line up."

 

I do hope nobody actually believes that Roeder really thinks that.

With the exception of Bramble, the others are a joke so I agree with you there. How many more clowns does this circus need?

 

The answer, of course, is none.......for those of you struggling with the question... so why'd anybody even think of adding lua?

Only because he is better than Ameobi. Not great, but better.

Bramble is a massive joke. He's a disgrace, and it pains me that we are going to be forced to watch him fuck up again and again this season. I'd rather we played bloody Moore, and he has THREE disabilities as a PL defender!

Glad to see that this thread is only asking the question whether you'd have him back and not to say he's coming. No wonder we weren't even considered to be on the TV next season, even gainst the top teams which we' have been for years, if this is the standard of player we're looking at.

 

Utter bollocks that any of you muppets even want him back here as he was a joke.

More of a joke than Ameobi, Boumsong, Bramble, et al? I don't think so.

Turned down a deal to stay at Portsmouth. Would anyone have him back here?

 

he's deffo improved as a player since he's moved on from us

Again, are the fans to blame for this???

Just about everyone who leaves improves their game.

 

I'd take him back on the back of more major signings.

 

its our fans man.  "**** off luque" etc, only if he did actually **** off, then we'd all see what he's capable off.  these players need to be given a chance to prove themselves.

 

Its Our Fans??? LuaLua played 59 league games and only scored 5 goals. I think he was given a chance and proved what others have said - glorified sprinter / circus act. And as for Luque can you please explain the fans' contribution to his appaling 1st season in a b+w shirt

 

59 league games, most of which were 5 -10 minute run outs at the end of games.  he did not play 90 minutes for us or indeed start many games for us at all.

 

Again, are the fans to blame for this???

Yes.

its OUR fault LuaLua didn't get many full games. Its OUR fault Luque played like a gutless waste of space last season, and its OUR fault that Ameobi is an utter pile of donkey shite. Oh, and we're to blame for Boumsong and Bramble being Championship quality players, too.

AS FOR LUQUE YOU MUST BE FUCKING STUPID.  HE'S MOVED FROM SPAIN TO ENGLAND, WHICH IS A BIG CHANGE FOR SOMEONE WHO HASNT PLAYED OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN COUNTRY BEFORE.  ALSO, HE WAS FUCKING INJURED FOR CHRISTS SAKE.  JESUS WEPT, JUS COS HE NEVER SCORED A HATFUL OF GOALS FROM LEFT MIDFIELD OF ALL PLACES.

 

clue required here like.

 

YEah, the game of football is fundamentally different here, so he coudln't be expected to show even a couple of individual hints that he was such a great player, could he? i mean, the ball is a different shape, the grass is 2 ft shorter, and the pitches are totoally different. Its a different sportm pretty much, and we shouldn't expect a supposedly top player to be actually any good for at least 2 seasons.

 

funny ****.  he scored against sunderland, he scored a decent volley in the shearer game.  scored an offside goal against man utd, quick free kick against cheltenham nearly went in.  i wish people like you would **** off with regards to players needing to come in from foreign countries and perform straight away.

Come on then. Exactly howmany game THIS season shoudl we give him to prove himself? 1? 5? 10? 15? The whole season?

AS FOR LUQUE YOU MUST BE FUCKING STUPID.  HE'S MOVED FROM SPAIN TO ENGLAND, WHICH IS A BIG CHANGE FOR SOMEONE WHO HASNT PLAYED OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN COUNTRY BEFORE.  ALSO, HE WAS FUCKING INJURED FOR CHRISTS SAKE.  JESUS WEPT, JUS COS HE NEVER SCORED A HATFUL OF GOALS FROM LEFT MIDFIELD OF ALL PLACES.

 

clue required here like.

YEah, the game of football is fundamentally different here, so he coudln't be expected to show even a couple of individual hints that he was such a great player, could he? i mean, the ball is a different shape, the grass is 2 ft shorter, and the pitches are totoally different. Its a different sportm pretty much, and we shouldn't expect a supposedly top player to be actually any good for at least 2 seasons.

I wouldn't have him bad. He's a glorified sprinter, runs around in circle with very little end product.

 

He was crap when he was here, he's only slightly better now, and he told us to **** off when we needed him, so, no.

1. You must also hate Dire then, he's nothing more than a former sprinter who's loat his pace.

2. He's better than what we have now.

What did Owen do in his last 4 games to suggest he is even a premiership striker? Van Nistelrooy has been just as unimpressive. Henry has been crap, Toni shite, as had Ronaldo up until last night. Would you say Klose is the best striker in the world? You cannot judge players ability solely on the their performance in the world cup.

 

But his fans said "wait till the world cup, he'll shine". Well, he'd better start, cos he looked crap in the first game.

 

He has bene touted at £8-10m.....if you can't go on the world cup, you certainly can't pay that sort of money based on the dutch league!

 

Hardly seen the lad play but my dutch mate reckons he'd suit newcastle, whatever that means. Who do you think we should sign NM out of interest??

I don't know who we shoud sign, tbh. The ones i woud REALLY LIKE are out of our reach. But what i won't do is assume that because he was good in Holland and FM2006, he'd be good here.

If you want to believe he's good/great/worth buying, so be it. Personally, i'd like to see some proof first. And his one game (partly played up front) was fuck all proof to me of anything but a below-average player.

What did Owen do in his last 4 games to suggest he is even a premiership striker? Van Nistelrooy has been just as unimpressive. Henry has been crap, Toni shite, as had Ronaldo up until last night. Would you say Klose is the best striker in the world? You cannot judge players ability solely on the their performance in the world cup.

 

But his fans said "wait till the world cup, he'll shine". Well, he'd better start, cos he looked crap in the first game.

 

He has bene touted at £8-10m.....if you can't go on the world cup, you certainly can't pay that sort of money based on the dutch league!

 

he's only started one game  and he's been played out of position in every one of his appearances

He played some of the last game up front. Mind, he LOOKED out of position there.

What did Owen do in his last 4 games to suggest he is even a premiership striker? Van Nistelrooy has been just as unimpressive. Henry has been crap, Toni shite, as had Ronaldo up until last night. Would you say Klose is the best striker in the world? You cannot judge players ability solely on the their performance in the world cup.

But his fans said "wait till the world cup, he'll shine". Well, he'd better start, cos he looked crap in the first game.

He has bene touted at £8-10m.....if you can't go on the world cup, you certainly can't pay that sort of money based on the dutch league!

Mirror are saying this morning we have put in a £6m bid for him

 

Liverpool table £10m bid, we table a £6m bid!

 

How can you believe shit like that?

If Liverpool want him, and have money, they'll get him. We're small beer compared to them.

As told to by people on here, i waited for his turn on the big stage, what with the dutch league being a bit, you know. Well, he was poor on his first showing. Hopefully he'll get better, and you can't judge a player in 1 performance, but by the same token you can't say he is good based on one terrible performance, either.

He IS, in fairness, a flop. A great big (on more than one level) failure.

I think you know **** all about why i am not pro-Luque.

 

Sorry I have lost interest discussing with you.

 

Oh, thats a shame, because your absolutely groundless statement about why i didn't like Luque, in total disregard for the numerous reasons i had already given, made me REALLY interested in discussing stuff with you. 

 

I doubt you've even seen him play for us in the flesh, but you seem qualified to speak about the way he plays. Let me guess, you think you can get as good an idea from the TV? Wrong.

 

 

You're acually saying that your point is more valid because you see the game in flesh? That has got to be dumbest remark i have read

 

No, what i'm saying is that you get a much better view of what is going on in a game, positionally, off the ball, of the game in total, live that on TV. Thats fucking obvious.

You obviously think you are "better" qualified to have an opinion in the matter because you attend the games. Remember, we see a fair bit on the tele that you in the stands don't see. As i said, i don't even know what side of the argument you are on, but you're argument just makes me sick

You don't get to see as much of the game on TV, its a simple fact. Teh shape of the teams, the movement, the off the ball play.

But i bet you still feel qualified to give players ratings as if you were there, don't you. Well done.

I think you know **** all about why i am not pro-Luque.

 

Sorry I have lost interest discussing with you.

 

Oh, thats a shame, because your absolutely groundless statement about why i didn't like Luque, in total disregard for the numerous reasons i had already given, made me REALLY interested in discussing stuff with you. 

 

I doubt you've even seen him play for us in the flesh, but you seem qualified to speak about the way he plays. Let me guess, you think you can get as good an idea from the TV? Wrong.

 

 

You're acually saying that your point is more valid because you see the game in flesh? That has got to be dumbest remark i have read

 

No, what i'm saying is that you get a much better view of what is going on in a game, positionally, off the ball, of the game in total, live that on TV. Thats fucking obvious.

 

Any need to swear in every other post? There's not really any need for it most of the time.

What are you, the swearing police? None of your business if i swear or not, i think?

I think you know **** all about why i am not pro-Luque.

 

Sorry I have lost interest discussing with you.

 

Oh, thats a shame, because your absolutely groundless statement about why i didn't like Luque, in total disregard for the numerous reasons i had already given, made me REALLY interested in discussing stuff with you. 

 

I doubt you've even seen him play for us in the flesh, but you seem qualified to speak about the way he plays. Let me guess, you think you can get as good an idea from the TV? Wrong.

 

 

You're acually saying that your point is more valid because you see the game in flesh? That has got to be dumbest remark i have read

No, what i'm saying is that you get a much better view of what is going on in a game, positionally, off the ball, of the game in total, live that on TV. Thats fucking obvious.

I think you know **** all about why i am not pro-Luque.

 

Sorry I have lost interest discussing with you.

 

Oh, thats a shame, because your absolutely groundless statement about why i didn't like Luque, in total disregard for the numerous reasons i had already given, made me REALLY interested in discussing stuff with you. 

 

I doubt you've even seen him play for us in the flesh, but you seem qualified to speak about the way he plays. Let me guess, you think you can get as good an idea from the TV? Wrong.

 

 

 

I'll speak up for Delima coz he has said it before. Yes you are wrong! He studies in Newcastle and have watched Luque in St James and so have others (wullie, a few others and me included). Stop this patronizing attitude that if others disagree with you they must have either watched the game on tv or based their opinion on the "famous showreel". Accept that others watching the same games you do (yes live in the flesh) can come to different conclusions.

 

So much for willing to accept that your argument are no more or less valid than others' :roll:

I stand by my point - others opinions are as valid as mine.

And watching the game on the telly doe sNOT gove you as good a view of what happens as being there in the flesh.

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Is there any fucking call for that? I'm giving my opinion, which i accept are no more or less valid than anyone elses. I like to debate stuff, and talk about my and other peoples opinions.

What i don't particularly want, is people like you acting like pricks, which i think your unnecessary and off-topic "contrinution" is.

I think you know **** all about why i am not pro-Luque.

 

Sorry I have lost interest discussing with you.

Oh, thats a shame, because your absolutely groundless statement about why i didn't like Luque, in total disregard for the numerous reasons i had already given, made me REALLY interested in discussing stuff with you. 

I doubt you've even seen him play for us in the flesh, but you seem qualified to speak about the way he plays. Let me guess, you think you can get as good an idea from the TV? Wrong.

Bit football is still football. We shoudl expect more than we've had from him, surely?? Or am i exoecting too much from a supposedly great player??

 

I think you are "bitter" with the transfer fee we pay him. Supposed if we pay 3 Millions for Luque, would you be happy to get player of his class (that he has shown)?

 

Overally, Luque definitely offers no less than Faye, Ameobi and Clark in the past few games, in my opinion. Unless we have gotten rid of other worse players, I wouldn't place my critisms on Luque who has scored goals in situations when no other seem capable to.

 

Now, taking his price and reputation into consideration, I think that Roeder is being silly/stubborn for not offering him more chances when he seems interested. Maybe Roeder has other plans for him. But so far I don't know, and no one else knows.

I think you know fuck all about why i am not pro-Luque.

How has he scored goals when others were not capable??

Taking his price and reputation into account??? For fucks sake. Thats exactly why we'll never be a proper big cluib, and we'll keep making excuses for Luque, Boumsong, Dyer and the rest.

Give him full pre-season, get his confidence high and he will come good. He's much better than people think, it's just matter of him settling in British football.. and Newcastle's football.

Bit football is still football. We shoudl expect more than we've had from him, surely?? Or am i exoecting too much from a supposedly great player??