Northern Monkey

 

Its slightly inconcruous, that, though. How many seasons was it only Man Utd above us?

 

 

 

How many times do you think?

I'll ask the questions, thank you.

How many? And can that be compared to the number of seasons we've had since?

 

As I said earlier, do you consider manu to have a shite board now, as in the last few years they have gone backwards ?

 

Ditto Arsenal since they won the league ?

 

The facts are that only 4 clubs have been above us in terms of league position and european qualification, and also that - this summer - we have again been among the top spenders, despite the huge amount our "shite" board spent last year. You say you do figures, so do you not accept this ?

 

 

 

I've answered the question already about Man U and Arsenal, once is enough.

 

In terms of league position since Freddy took over weve been below 4 teams, right, here's the 4.

 

Year 1

 

Arsenal, Manchester U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds, Blackburn, Aston Villa, West Ham, Derby, Leicester, Coventry, Southampton.

 

Year 2

 

Manchester, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds, West Ham, Aston Villa, Liverpool, Derby, Middlesbrough, Leicester, Tottenham, Sheffield W.

 

Year 3

 

Manchester, Arsenal, Leeds, Liverpool, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Sunderland, Leicester, West Ham, Tottenham.

 

Year 4

 

Manchester, Arsenal, Liverpool, Leeds, Ipswich, Chelsea, Sunderland, Aston Villa, Charlton, Southampton.

 

Year 5

 

Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester U.

 

Year 6

 

Manchester, Arsenal.

 

Year 7

 

Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester U, Liverpool.

 

Year 8

 

Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester U, Everton, Liverpool, Bolton, Middlesbrough, Manchester C, Tottenham, Aston Villa, Charlton, Birmingham, Fulham

 

Year 9

 

Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur, Blackburn Rovers. 

 

Edit.

 

It says a lot when we've been below shitty Villa and Doug Ellis 5 seasons out of 9.

 

 

Only 4 teams have a higher average position, and qualifed for europe more than us. Fact. The fact that one club ie Southampton, finished above us twice in the last decade means absolutely sweet FA so far as I can see. Where are they now ? Do they have a shite board or a good board ? And remember - that they were above us for a LONG time when we had our own previous board ....

 

 

 

 

Shitty Villa and Doug Ellis have been above us 5 times, the great Freddy has been above them and him 4 times.  The shitty Arsenal and Man U as you call them have never finished below us while we've had Shepherd.

 

Before Shepherd arrived only Man U finished above Newcastle, where are we now?

Its slightly inconcruous, that, though. How many seasons was it only Man Utd above us?

 

you said it not me  :winking:

 

It does make me laugh when they say it because i know what they realy wanna say but your right most fans are fickle in there own way, Ive been known to change my opinion from time to time.

 

Im backing the manager, Roeder has taken on a massive job after Souness left and people expected him to sort it all out this transfer window on little transfer money. The only thing im slightly disappointed about is the fact that we didnt streghten the full back areas, We got Bernard but that wasnt the player we all were hoping for.

Jeezus...now the "every Newcastle fans a bad supporter but me" prats are at it.

If you're happy with this Roeder/Shepherd shambles, that doesn't make you or the other one good supporters, just gullible. :roll:

 

 

Just because he supports Roeder doesn't make him a know it all or a arogent fan. 

In fact, it makes him the exact opposite.

One things for certain, we are gunna struggle defensively this season, well at least until january, if we had bought a couple of defenders i think everything would be fine and we would all be looking forward to the rest of the campaign, my feeling is that the right players for our club werent available for one reason or another, but i must say i do blame the manager and the chairman for not doing something about our defence sooner, that is the key area on the pitch, always has been and always will be until we start building a team from the back and not the front as we always do.

If the right players weren't available and we bought no-one defensively, does that mean that Sibierski was the right player for midfield? Because i doubt that very much. Lets stop making excuses for him, Roeder biffed it up.

Yes, its Shepherds fault for employing the manager. But the manager must shoulder some of the blame for the mess as well. I think it is shared - the cockney and the fat man.

If anyone still thinks we are a big club, look at who we signed yesterday.

Pathetic, from Roeder AND Shepherd.

Still, we'll get our scarves in a bit. Then we can get behind the lads, be the extra man, and cheer us to a top 6 finish.  bluelaugh.gif bluelaugh.gif bluelaugh.gif bluelaugh.gif bluelaugh.gif

Sometimes I think he's doing it on purpose to get a move away. I mean he was never this bad...You have to ask yourself why we aren't starting to see the best of him?

We DID. It was mediocre.

goal v Charton - tap in

goal v Chalton - luckiest goal ever, mishit

goal v Watford - awful defending, tap in

goal v Liverpool - mishit cross, awful goalkeeping

 

he's a decent enough player, but 4 goals in 3 games is an awfully inaccurate representation

 

 

Striker's goals tbh .

 

strikers rarely get chances as easy as those, thats all i was saying

 

So you intend to ignore all goals scored that are "easy"?

 

absolutely not, Van Nistelrooy is one of my favourite players in the world to watch.

 

all i'm saying is, his 4 goals cannot be taken seriously as an indication of his strike rate for the season. 2 goals were mishits, the other 2 were as a result of comincal defending.

 

ie, predicated on unusual circumstances that he'll probably have to wait moths for

 

I hope you treat Shola's (an inferior player to Zamora) goals in a similar manner, then. In the interests of fairness.

 

ha! don't get me started on Shola mate

Preaching to the converted?

goal v Charton - tap in

goal v Chalton - luckiest goal ever, mishit

goal v Watford - awful defending, tap in

goal v Liverpool - mishit cross, awful goalkeeping

 

he's a decent enough player, but 4 goals in 3 games is an awfully inaccurate representation

 

 

Striker's goals tbh .

 

strikers rarely get chances as easy as those, thats all i was saying

 

So you intend to ignore all goals scored that are "easy"?

 

absolutely not, Van Nistelrooy is one of my favourite players in the world to watch.

 

all i'm saying is, his 4 goals cannot be taken seriously as an indication of his strike rate for the season. 2 goals were mishits, the other 2 were as a result of comincal defending.

 

ie, predicated on unusual circumstances that he'll probably have to wait moths for

I hope you treat Shola's (an inferior player to Zamora) goals in a similar manner, then. In the interests of fairness.

 

He looekd like NOTHING against Fulham.

 

HE has looked like NOTHING in pretty much every game he#s played for us.

 

He IS nothing to us.

 

I'll disagree about the Fulham game, I don't think he's got a future but I still think he was OK before injured, not brilliant but OK.

He didn't show anything - for me, its all opinion, same as it is for everyone - worthy of note in ANY of his competitive games, to illustrate he was worthy of a place on the bench, never mind the first team.

goal v Charton - tap in

goal v Chalton - luckiest goal ever, mishit

goal v Watford - awful defending, tap in

goal v Liverpool - mishit cross, awful goalkeeping

 

he's a decent enough player, but 4 goals in 3 games is an awfully inaccurate representation

 

 

Striker's goals tbh .

 

strikers rarely get chances as easy as those, thats all i was saying

So you intend to ignore all goals scored that are "easy"?

So we've never seen Luque on the left? Cos i have, and he was shite.

 

He was on the left against Fulham and didn't look shite before he went off, Shearer and Owen should have both scored off balls delivered on a plate by Luque.

He looekd like NOTHING against Fulham.

HE has looked like NOTHING in pretty much every game he#s played for us.

He IS nothing to us.

and are you likely to enlighten us with your views?

You may need to redefine your take on the word "enlighten". 

Would anyone take him from West Ham on a cheap option? Obviously not as our new number nine but he's a decent striker whose had a few moves and could really benefit from a bit of stabality- see also a pre Spurs Robbie Keane.

 

Didnt really set the world alight at Spurs but he always looks decent for West Ham and considering they now have Ashton and Harewood as their top two strikers, i think he would be worth a punt, plus may be keen on a move.

1) Better than anyone we had before Martins.

2) We needed TWO strikers before Martins came in.

So yes.

So we've never seen Luque on the left? Cos i have, and he was shite.

To me Luque is worth holding on to - he is a fraction aaway from getting it right - and I think when he does he'll be quite a player

 

I couldnt agree more.

Couldn't agree less.

He's only a "fraction" away from gettign right in the same way as Boumsong is a "fraction" away from beinbg one of the best defenders in Europe.

I think we should sell him. Looks like he may want to go back to Spain, and he did mention Real Madrid in his recent interview. It might be worth trying to offer them Luque + extra for Baptista.

Real? They're rich, not stupid.

Some say he nearly went there before. Bollox. They could get hom for a 3rd of what we paid for him, and are they knocking on the door? No, they are not.

Premisership

Champions : Chelsea

Runners Up : Red Shite

Champions League qualifiers : Arsenal, Man Utd

UEFA Cup Qualifiers : Spurs,  Everton

Where we'll end up: 9th, at best.

Relegation : Watford, Sheff Utd, Reading

FA Cup

Man Utd

Carling Cup

Liverpool

Champions League

Chelsea

UEFA Cup

Valencia

I didnt pay £500 on the basis i would be watching shola game in game out, so far the chairman and manager have lied to us, where is this striker? and i dont want any bull about how there is still time.

 

Howay the Lads!

 

if he scored 20 goals this season will you be complaining?

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And maybe he'll cure AIDS in his spare time.

He's fucking rubbish, and the sooner we buy proper strikers and drop this uselss pile of donkey shite the better.

Surely, the reason he didn't play against the Latvians is because Roeder doesn't want him cup-tied. The fella's off. Take it or leave it.

I'll take it. With a side order of "I told you so", and a good hearty laugh at the "he's world class, i followed him closely in Spain" idiots.

Looking more and more likely he's on his way out now, oh well...

 

Good.

 

I'll second that, shola can follow too, if only we were not short of strikers

Damned right. Although we currently don't have any anyway, in fairness. Not good ones, anyway.

Looking more and more likely he's on his way out now, oh well...

Good.

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If you love it so much, why don't you marry it.

Go on, you want to marry it.

if roeder gets the chop who gets his job then?

 

the question has no relevance until we are bottom 3 in march

 

having said that, i'm confident hitzfeld will step in and save us by then

Start a campaign. Thats bound to work.

He should be given time, clearly. But, equally, we NEED to improve on our past few seasons, and if he doesn't have us close to achieving our goal (surely 6th) by the end of the season, he might as well go.

 

What i want from Roeder is some transfer action, and less of the rubbish about certain players - we don;t need a managerial equivalent of Ameobi - all bullshit and no ability. Let results do the talking, etc.

 

The pre-season is absolutely no indication of how he will do, but he needs to strengthen the first team verey quickly.

 

I think Roeder is more than capable of pushing us up the table. Last seasons record under roeder wouldve had us 4th extrapolated across the entire season, not bad considering the injury record and the fact he played 4 of the top 5. But I think more importantly hes sorting out a lasting infrastructure at the club in terms of the academy, decent scouting, etc

 

Agreed preseason friendlies mean nowt but the games against Lillestrom were ok considering the difference in preparation time

 

And why is it Roeder getting stick for the lack of transfers rather than Shephard?

No-one is getting stick. Hopefully if Roeder identifies players he wants, we'll get them. The worry is that we have bought/Roeder has expressed an interest in players who shoudl not be on our immediate priorities list. Nice to have them, granted, but we have other priorities. We are a CB and 2 strikers away from being anywhere near good enough to get top 6, and if we want to be comfortable up there, we will need to look at 2 full backs as well.