Northern Monkey

The Sun and the Star? notw and people i think oh, if you'd said THAT before...... what did you expect with a thread title heading of "sunday papers",did you think it was going to be true actual goings on,100% solid fact,or the back page rumours ? I expect an absolute load of jizz, that some cretins on here will believe. I don't think you let me down on the first point. very freudian Don't try to be clever, it doesn't suit you. There was fuck all freudian about my post. Unless, by "freudian", you mean "not in any way freudian, unless you're stupid enough to relate any kind if vaguely-sexual lin to Freud, which would be imbecilic in the extreme".

The Sun and the Star? notw and people i think oh, if you'd said THAT before...... what did you expect with a thread title heading of "sunday papers",did you think it was going to be true actual goings on,100% solid fact,or the back page rumours ? I expect an absolute load of jizz, that some cretins on here will believe. I don't think you let me down on the first point.

23, mate. Its the new 7.

To be fair, he's never scored more 20 in a season as far as I know. He's never even ("even" ) got 20. Was that a dig at my lack of the word "than" NM? No, it was my backing up your being (almost) right. He's never hit 20 goals (and probably never will, certainly not for us!).

There's never bene more than 4 players get 20+ in a season for 10 years or more - normally fewer. Mind, Melanchronic, people don't complain (unless they are a mental) about Martins not scoring 20+, but about his phenomenal inconsistency, frequent issues with ball control, and inability to read the game.

To be fair, he's never scored more 20 in a season as far as I know. He's never even ("even" ) got 20.

The Sun and the Star? notw and people i think oh, if you'd said THAT before......

Thats up there with "NUFC to sign Ronaldo/Rivaldo/Rooney/etc", it really is. And some idiots will buy it.

Same argument didn't hold water a while ago when people talked about Heskey being an improvement on Ameobi. A player is either good enough for where we want to be or isn't. Young isn't a big enough improvement. Enough money has been wasted already, the club needs to buy players who are a significant improvement on what we already have. Young IS a significant improvement on Carr. I'd agree but the fact remains that while Young is average, Carr is absolutely dreadful. Neither is good enough to hold down a first team spot if we want to get to where we all want to go. In the short to medium term, we are looking at what, top 7? I reckon Young is good for that. For the kind of money talked about here, certainly. See what you're getting at but I think we should be aiming for top 4 tbh. Agree with HTL, we should be looking for a RB who's good enough to compete in a top 4 side. Luke Young isn't the answer. Yes, he'd improve us but it would mean replacing him in 2 years time with someone better. Let's just sign the better player now. I know that sounds glib as fuck but the player we need is out there and I trust Allardyce to find him. We are currently so far from a top 4 side that its laughable. Apart from Given and Owen, not one other player os capable of playing at that level properly. Its a pipe dream to want top 4 players in every position. You have to be a big club to get that, and we are far from a big club. Young woudl greatly improve our squad, and give a genuine alternative to a rapidly ageing right winger at right back. If thats a bad thing, then you must hate the rest of our squad more than i do, because they aren't good enough for the top 4 either. Never said they were tbh. Just think that we should be scouring the globe for the bloke who's better than Young to take us back into the top 4. Not that long ago since we finished top 4 you know! I couldn't give a toss how long ago since we finished top 4 - twice out of the last 10 seasons, the last being 4 ago - you clearly can't think the rest of the squad are up to it. Like signing Duff last season, its the same thing - wrong priority. I'd rather take a RB good enough for the top 7 (which should be our short/medium term place) and get similar players in other positions, rather than pretend we can attract top top players. We have, in my opinion, 7 or 8 players who can comfortably play at that level. Lets get the rest in, and build from there. If you can read my mind then read this.................................. Get that? Goodnight mate. 1) You sid you wanted to scour wherever to find a bloke to lead us to the top 4. The factthatyou failed to mention the other 8 first teamers, plus backup players we'd need, led me to that conclusion. 2) <concentrates>....urgh, you pervert. No thank you, i'm not that type.

You've seen Carr play for us, yes?

nowhere, because he's going to America for fifteen gazumpyillion pounds a second? do i win a prize?

I'd accept a team good enough for the top 7, frankly.

Good points.

Same argument didn't hold water a while ago when people talked about Heskey being an improvement on Ameobi. A player is either good enough for where we want to be or isn't. Young isn't a big enough improvement. Enough money has been wasted already, the club needs to buy players who are a significant improvement on what we already have. Young IS a significant improvement on Carr. I'd agree but the fact remains that while Young is average, Carr is absolutely dreadful. Neither is good enough to hold down a first team spot if we want to get to where we all want to go. In the short to medium term, we are looking at what, top 7? I reckon Young is good for that. For the kind of money talked about here, certainly. See what you're getting at but I think we should be aiming for top 4 tbh. Agree with HTL, we should be looking for a RB who's good enough to compete in a top 4 side. Luke Young isn't the answer. Yes, he'd improve us but it would mean replacing him in 2 years time with someone better. Let's just sign the better player now. I know that sounds glib as fuck but the player we need is out there and I trust Allardyce to find him. We are currently so far from a top 4 side that its laughable. Apart from Given and Owen, not one other player os capable of playing at that level properly. Its a pipe dream to want top 4 players in every position. You have to be a big club to get that, and we are far from a big club. Young woudl greatly improve our squad, and give a genuine alternative to a rapidly ageing right winger at right back. If thats a bad thing, then you must hate the rest of our squad more than i do, because they aren't good enough for the top 4 either. Never said they were tbh. Just think that we should be scouring the globe for the bloke who's better than Young to take us back into the top 4. Not that long ago since we finished top 4 you know! I couldn't give a toss how long ago since we finished top 4 - twice out of the last 10 seasons, the last being 4 ago - you clearly can't think the rest of the squad are up to it. Like signing Duff last season, its the same thing - wrong priority. I'd rather take a RB good enough for the top 7 (which should be our short/medium term place) and get similar players in other positions, rather than pretend we can attract top top players. We have, in my opinion, 7 or 8 players who can comfortably play at that level. Lets get the rest in, and build from there.

Same argument didn't hold water a while ago when people talked about Heskey being an improvement on Ameobi. A player is either good enough for where we want to be or isn't. Young isn't a big enough improvement. Enough money has been wasted already, the club needs to buy players who are a significant improvement on what we already have. Young IS a significant improvement on Carr. I'd agree but the fact remains that while Young is average, Carr is absolutely dreadful. Neither is good enough to hold down a first team spot if we want to get to where we all want to go. In the short to medium term, we are looking at what, top 7? I reckon Young is good for that. For the kind of money talked about here, certainly. See what you're getting at but I think we should be aiming for top 4 tbh. Agree with HTL, we should be looking for a RB who's good enough to compete in a top 4 side. Luke Young isn't the answer. Yes, he'd improve us but it would mean replacing him in 2 years time with someone better. Let's just sign the better player now. I know that sounds glib as fuck but the player we need is out there and I trust Allardyce to find him. We are currently so far from a top 4 side that its laughable. Apart from Given and Owen, not one other player os capable of playing at that level properly. Its a pipe dream to want top 4 players in every position. You have to be a big club to get that, and we are far from a big club. Young woudl greatly improve our squad, and give a genuine alternative to a rapidly ageing right winger at right back. If thats a bad thing, then you must hate the rest of our squad more than i do, because they aren't good enough for the top 4 either.

he has international experience and would probably be a regular if nev wasnt in the squad. At one point he was being linked with nearly every club. Balls. He's never going to be an England regular. Neither are almost all of the English players some of us want to keep.

Same argument didn't hold water a while ago when people talked about Heskey being an improvement on Ameobi. A player is either good enough for where we want to be or isn't. Young isn't a big enough improvement. Enough money has been wasted already, the club needs to buy players who are a significant improvement on what we already have. Young IS a significant improvement on Carr. I'd agree but the fact remains that while Young is average, Carr is absolutely dreadful. Neither is good enough to hold down a first team spot if we want to get to where we all want to go. In the short to medium term, we are looking at what, top 7? I reckon Young is good for that. For the kind of money talked about here, certainly. He'd be a stop gap. I don't want the club to sign stop gaps. I think he's good enough to be in a team/squad in the top 7. Many players are stop gaps before the club moves on to bigger and better things. There are only 2 players in our squad capable of top 4 football, so what exactly SHOULD we be signing? We're not going to get 11 world beaters in one go, its a gradual process.

Got the lot? What exactly has he got? I've never seen him pass the ball further than 10 yards, everytime he gets past the half way line he runs down a blind alley and loses possesion, he can't shoot, he's got no leadership qualities whatsoever and as he's shown this season as soon as the going gets tough he dissapears from games and starts moaning. you're thinking of Dyer. Easy mistake to make.

Same argument didn't hold water a while ago when people talked about Heskey being an improvement on Ameobi. A player is either good enough for where we want to be or isn't. Young isn't a big enough improvement. Enough money has been wasted already, the club needs to buy players who are a significant improvement on what we already have. Young IS a significant improvement on Carr. I'd agree but the fact remains that while Young is average, Carr is absolutely dreadful. Neither is good enough to hold down a first team spot if we want to get to where we all want to go. In the short to medium term, we are looking at what, top 7? I reckon Young is good for that. For the kind of money talked about here, certainly.

We might as well talk about signing Ronaldinho, C Ronaldo or the re-animated corpse of Puskas.

Same argument didn't hold water a while ago when people talked about Heskey being an improvement on Ameobi. A player is either good enough for where we want to be or isn't. Young isn't a big enough improvement. Enough money has been wasted already, the club needs to buy players who are a significant improvement on what we already have. Young IS a significant improvement on Carr.

You think we'll be a top 4 team in the next 2 years? Nope.

mackems.gif i hope you're laughing at the £2m thing, because he is without doubt better than Carr, by dint of not being a fucking shithouse. I'm laughing because even though he may be better than Carr this is either an indication of how much expectations have fallen since Souness or is an indication of a lack of football knowledge on the part of the person who started the thread. It's probably a combination of both, tbh. Young is a very, very average footballer from what I've seen. And we have no even average right backs, really.

5m + Defoe for Michael Owen? No, just no. I think some people forget just how good the guy is. And how much he isn't arsed about playing for us, have you forgotten that?

Ah, i see. I thought for one horrific moment that he thought that Carr was a competent right back. Although, in fairnedd, having nothing clever to say woudl be the least of his worries if he thought that. He'd be far too concerned with rocking back and forward drooling, and waiting for the nurse to come with his next meds.