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Might be a canny player to have on the right for away games in particular, where sometimes graft more than skill can be the trick. I'd prefer to see him playing than Duff. I don't think he's a bad signing really and agree that expectations shouldn't be too high because he's scored a few wondergoals against us.

De Mul is a decent shout but we don't need another Lw, and as JCM I've not seen him since his time in Germany has he improved? De Mul is a right winger... Nixon, I'm beginning to think you're a bit of a blagger ...I suspect I may be late to the party...

Oh great. A new one. It's the snow...

mackems.gif The fucking nerve

Seriously doubt that. What is there to show for it though? A failed £8m bid for Johnson and a failed £8m bid for a player that was probably worth £14m. If that email is from Ashley, he brought attention to himself and the club today deliberately and why would he do that unless he was going to have something to show for it? I don't believe those that say Ashley does what he does to sit back and laugh at us because he can, but it's starting to look more and more like he seriously couldn't care less what happened. Agree with most of that, up until the last line again. Don't think he stands to gain anything from "not caring" how we do. But like someone just said in the transfer thread, he really had the chance to win alot of people over today. He certainly would have went up in my estimations had he produced out of nowhere a couple of cracking buys/decent players to improve us further and keep us up. The fact that he didn't makes me wonder whether he actually cares about making things better. If he did, he would have at least brought one other face in. He might have tried to though, you never know. It's not Football Manager at the end of the day, deals are complicated, players are greedy, teams don't want to sell and we're hardly "in the money". I'd have loved some quality players in as much as anybody but I'd rather we didn't spend anything than brought in another Luque or a Boumsong for the money we did actually have. That would be even worse in the long run.

Seriously doubt that. There's something very much amiss though. Ashley is a fantastic businessman, he's proved that his whole life. Yet he's now completely bolloxed up the end of two transfer windows in a row, and we could now get relegated because of it. Lots of smoke and mirrors going on here IMO, I think it's pretty conceivable that we had no intention of signing anyone other than Taylor today. Yet they've gone to all this fuss to make it seem as though they've been busy working on deals all day, so they can now go "We worked tirelessly all day, but in the end we just couldn't get the deals done." I reckon they sat in the office doing shots all day tbh. Most definitely. I've been ill at ease with everything for a good while now, as far back as last February or so. I do think if you look around most PL message boards they'll be saying the same things about their dealmakers and chairmen though. Not saying he's not responsible, but there are mitigating circumstances at the minute (perhaps more than ever before in recent history.) It's not like the last lot didn't bungle windows and operate in an extremely similar fashion.

Seriously doubt that. What is there to show for it though? A failed £8m bid for Johnson and a failed £8m bid for a player that was probably worth £14m. If that email is from Ashley, he brought attention to himself and the club today deliberately and why would he do that unless he was going to have something to show for it? I don't believe those that say Ashley does what he does to sit back and laugh at us because he can, but it's starting to look more and more like he seriously couldn't care less what happened. Agree with most of that, up until the last line again. Don't think he stands to gain anything from "not caring" how we do.

Seriously doubt that.

I'll officially retire from life if that happens. For the benefit of Ash4. Not all doom and gloom today then.

Where did those two loan signings go?? Which ones were they again? Not been in long from work and I'm just trying to work out what has and hasn't happened. I'll be fucked if I'm wading through the last 54 pages. Wasn't it last week when Kinnear said two loan signings were practically done and dusted? I lose track of the bullshit during the transfer window there's that much of it. Gladly have managed to resist the urge to tune into SSN today as well, as I fully expected things to turn out as they have done. Been great fun on here though!

Where did those two loan signings go??

Apologies all.

Obviously not.

do you include the injured players Harper Taylor Coloccini Bassong Enrique Taylor Nolan Butt Jonas Martins Ameobi > Given Carr Bramble Moore Babayaro Solano Parker Butt Duff Martins Sibierski Fucking hell man. Football doesn't work that simply.

When they're fit, aye. The team that played yesterday plus Ryan Taylor may not be good enough...

There's barely ever a fucking pass on man. He picked out Owen no bother against Stoke...

Eh? His best work comes from him picking the ball up deep and running with it...

People are too harsh on him. Simple enough. Victim of his pricetag but is undoubtedly quality. Lacks height, pace and strength but will surely only get better if he's given time to. He's definitely technically and mentally sound and apparently made of bricks. I see my injury jinxing from last night worked like... hope he's not out for long.

Him and Butt vanished second half like. Still not a bad debut. Looks like he'll be canny enough, enjoyed him bossing people about.

Can't cross for toffee most of the time and seems really reluctant to get forward (fear of getting caught out of position IMO) but aside from that he was excellent. Comes out of today with massive credit, one of the three best players on the park for us.

Not a perfect game as I thought Jones and Cisse ran him and Colo ragged at times but he was still outstanding. Great to see. Didn't bottle it, barely put a foot wrong, hope to hell he stays.

Fucking one man team at times, with a cameo from Enrique. They couldn't handle him. Obviously not a fucking perfect player, but who is?

...just so people know why it appears topics have "grown" suddenly. Trying to give us the best chance of staying up. If things start crashing then please let us know as me and Dave are both at the game. Cheers all and howay the lads!!

Bitter as fuck. Awful attitude.

Unfortunately, today was going to be the day to get the best fee of City, as it needs to bedone today for him to be allowed to play in the UEFA Cup. Couldn't have waited until afterwards? I know it was inevitable, but still...