Rebellious

Do you seriously think our players want to just hoof the ball? And, if they do, why does the manager not stop them from just hoofing it? When we played well, Willi would have the ball collected from him ( he even managed to mess that up sometimes ) by Cabaye or Ben arfa, they would carry it forward or play a pass our lesser players mess up most weeks instead of hoofing it. We try it with Toite but he messes around on the ball and we loose it, so we by pass him too now. The only player that collects it successfully from the defence is Anita but he can`t do that all game long. Simpson used to allow Ben Arfa to collect it too once he ran foward and realised he is actually shit. Now Simpson would pass it to an equally shit player resulting in it going backwards. We have a poor defense and a midfield incapable of playing anything other than a 5 yard backward pass.

The thing is, it's not just our younger players who look lost as to how we are supposed to be playing. The senior players look equally clueless. Since we've switched to a passing game how many times have you seen our midfielders making useless passes back and forth between themselves due to the lack of movement elsewhere? Bigi to Anita, back to Bigi...back to Anita....it's a fucking joke. Pardew knows one way to play football - route one. We are getting slaughtered right now because we are trying to switch to a different way of playing to suit more technical players coming in as we improve the squad and Pardew has no idea how to implement it. We got passed off the park by the same Championship side for the second time in 12 months FFS. If we draw them again next year and Pardew's still in charge it will be the same again becuase Poyet understands passing football, team shape and movement needed to implement it much better than Pards. It's as simple as that. The thing I don`t get though is the players still have brains don`t they ? Your telling me that they all run around exactly how Pardew has told them but secretly they all want to play like Barca. Running around thinking in there heads I would love to pass it to my team mate but i`m gonna pass it behind them because Pardew is in charge and thats what he wants or, I would love to make a run into space but I better stand behind this defender so the pass isn`t on, or i`m gonna get injured or sent off. Do you think Pardew has said to our supposed better players don`t attempt anything good because I will fine you if it doesn`t come off. From what I see is that Pardew is on the touchline getting angry that no one seems to be doing what he asks if anything. Since the start of the season with Europe and then the Christmas period we have had 1 day rest and 1 day on the training ground or travelling. Were as last season we had 3 days training between the rest day and travelling. Its not a coincedence we played better. Those days training would have been spent with Pardew. So if anything Pardew has had less influence over results this season than last. So you are telling me that we haven't developed a style of play and coaching throughout the club because Pardew hasn't had enough time to implement his methods in his time here? I think our players and style of play caught managers out last season, this has been said a few times by opposing managers. This season they have adjusted their tactics to stop us and worked out our weaknesses, we have enough of them, Willo , Simpson, Tiote and our high line. I am guessing we havn`t had time in between rest days, travelling and the disruption of having a completely different line up every week to come up with and practise in depth enough new ideas and altered formations. Either that or Pardew lucked last year and is a useless prick. Keegan took 8 games to completely overhaul Allardyce's prehistoric football style. Brendan Rogers (with the same time demands as Pardew) has already overhauled Dalglish's 1990's time shift experiment and given funds will slowly turn the club around IMO. So I would say Pards did luck out last year. And he is a useless prick. If we played how we did against Stoke, Man Utd , Arsenal and Everton with better players than Willo, Simpson and Perch do you not think we would have got points ? I do. You could put them in a Barca side and it would all turn to shit with any manager in charge. If you want to blame someone blame MA for allowing us to go another season with them as first choice players. Added to what I have already listed as possible reasons for our poor points return and there you have your reason. Remember when Willi thought he was Ben arfa for a few games and tried to play it out of defence ? The whole stadium collective shit themselves and held there breath. Theres your reason for us now hoofing it. How many times have we said Simpson can`t cross or tackle ? Perch is too short to be CB cover. Sammy is going backwards. Every thread lately goes in to detail on how shit most of our un-injured players are, yet its all Pardews fault we are loosing.

The thing is, it's not just our younger players who look lost as to how we are supposed to be playing. The senior players look equally clueless. Since we've switched to a passing game how many times have you seen our midfielders making useless passes back and forth between themselves due to the lack of movement elsewhere? Bigi to Anita, back to Bigi...back to Anita....it's a fucking joke. Pardew knows one way to play football - route one. We are getting slaughtered right now because we are trying to switch to a different way of playing to suit more technical players coming in as we improve the squad and Pardew has no idea how to implement it. We got passed off the park by the same Championship side for the second time in 12 months FFS. If we draw them again next year and Pardew's still in charge it will be the same again becuase Poyet understands passing football, team shape and movement needed to implement it much better than Pards. It's as simple as that. The thing I don`t get though is the players still have brains don`t they ? Your telling me that they all run around exactly how Pardew has told them but secretly they all want to play like Barca. Running around thinking in there heads I would love to pass it to my team mate but i`m gonna pass it behind them because Pardew is in charge and thats what he wants or, I would love to make a run into space but I better stand behind this defender so the pass isn`t on, or i`m gonna get injured or sent off. Do you think Pardew has said to our supposed better players don`t attempt anything good because I will fine you if it doesn`t come off. From what I see is that Pardew is on the touchline getting angry that no one seems to be doing what he asks if anything. Since the start of the season with Europe and then the Christmas period we have had 1 day rest and 1 day on the training ground or travelling. Were as last season we had 3 days training between the rest day and travelling. Its not a coincedence we played better. Those days training would have been spent with Pardew. So if anything Pardew has had less influence over results this season than last. So you are telling me that we haven't developed a style of play and coaching throughout the club because Pardew hasn't had enough time to implement his methods in his time here? I think our players and style of play caught managers out last season, this has been said a few times by opposing managers. This season they have adjusted their tactics to stop us and worked out our weaknesses, we have enough of them, Willo , Simpson, Tiote and our high line. I am guessing we havn`t had time in between rest days, travelling and the disruption of having a completely different line up every week to come up with and practise in depth enough new ideas and altered formations. Either that or Pardew lucked last year and is a useless prick.

The thing is, it's not just our younger players who look lost as to how we are supposed to be playing. The senior players look equally clueless. Since we've switched to a passing game how many times have you seen our midfielders making useless passes back and forth between themselves due to the lack of movement elsewhere? Bigi to Anita, back to Bigi...back to Anita....it's a fucking joke. Pardew knows one way to play football - route one. We are getting slaughtered right now because we are trying to switch to a different way of playing to suit more technical players coming in as we improve the squad and Pardew has no idea how to implement it. We got passed off the park by the same Championship side for the second time in 12 months FFS. If we draw them again next year and Pardew's still in charge it will be the same again becuase Poyet understands passing football, team shape and movement needed to implement it much better than Pards. It's as simple as that. The thing I don`t get though is the players still have brains don`t they ? Your telling me that they all run around exactly how Pardew has told them but secretly they all want to play like Barca. Running around thinking in there heads I would love to pass it to my team mate but i`m gonna pass it behind them because Pardew is in charge and thats what he wants or, I would love to make a run into space but I better stand behind this defender so the pass isn`t on, or i`m gonna get injured or sent off. Do you think Pardew has said to our supposed better players don`t attempt anything good because I will fine you if it doesn`t come off. From what I see is that Pardew is on the touchline getting angry that no one seems to be doing what he asks if anything. Since the start of the season with Europe and then the Christmas period we have had 1 day rest and 1 day on the training ground or travelling. Were as last season we had 3 days training between the rest day and travelling. Its not a coincedence we played better. Those days training would have been spent with Pardew. So if anything Pardew has had less influence over results this season than last.

He was our only threat going forward in the first half. Not that he played well or anything. He only looked a threat but its all an illusion. Take away his pace and he is a waste of space, non entity. Whats the point of having pace but doing nothing with it. If he was in a hurdle race he would beat everyone running but run through the hurdles.

He could have played better if we started him in goal, He wouldn`t have to run or track back much then. My 8 year old daughter can kick a ball harder than what he did with his first pathetic excuse of a ball in the box. I don`t think its form or brains with him because we have seen him play ok when we play bigger teams, nothing to do with down the left it was to do with not giving a shit today.

Lazy useless twat.

He also spends alot of time waving his arms around and shouting shit whilst the game passes him by. Its ok if you have recovery pace which he doesn`t. Another header today where he had a choice of 3 midfielders nearby to head to for a counter, under no pressure it went sideways to a Brighton player as much as he was facing forward looking forward.

I don`t think he had any choice with the line up to be fair.

The ref didn`t even see the Brighton player trip over the back of Shola`s ankle for the first yellow. He just guessed. The second yellow was ridiculous considering what other players get away with when already on a yellow. There we worse fouls all game that escaped yellows.

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To me Cabaye is more important the chances he creates..... he ups the work rate of the team, we are much stronger defensively and more organised. We have been cut open at will without him which i have never seen happen when he was in the team. Everton away? regardless, Williamson is more dangerous as a goal threat for the opposition than he is likely to stop them scoring these days. Don't see how Cabaye coming back would improve our diabolical defending that much. Cabaye and Ben Arfa are huge misses, but having to rely on Williamson for so long has been our major downfall imho. Cabaye is the brains, He is the bit of everything we are missing, that little difference that turns a game from a loss to a win or draw. I can see how much Willi is hurting us all but Saylor is just a brickwall, we have all seen him have games where he has stopped 10 odd shots or more and still we have lost. It is a close call but I`m sticking with my original Cabaye. As for the people saying Ben Arfa I get it, he is what entertainment is all about but the 4-3 and 7-3 just recently were entertaining but we were all gutted we didn`t get any points.

Using a scale of 1-10 how much do you miss each of our injured players, give reason if you want. D Simpson - 1 - Don`t miss him at all. I would only miss him if we had to use Williamson there and that would never happen. J Gutierrez - 1 - This season he is no loss, last season probably would have been a 5 H Ben Arfa - 8 - Although he is talented in his own way I think Marv is doing a very similar job. S Taylor - 10 - If Williamson was no where near the club this would have been an 8 Y Cabaye - 10 - I knew he was the engine room of our team but until he was gone I didn`t realise just how much he influences the whole team. Captain for me when Colo retires. He is the only player that can pick out the random passes that catch teams out. Never stops running be it forward or backwards. Set pieces, passes and tackles. D Gosling - 2 - A useful Sub H Vučkić - 4 - An option from the bench. R Taylor - 7 - Set pieces and cover for the inexperienced players we have had to use.

In real life it was very balanced the amount of fouling from each side, In Atkinson world he blew for 21 fouls from us and 10 from them. I mentioned this the other week. Did anyone see the career ending foul that chelsea player only got a yellow for in the QPR game !

Can`t believe Cabaye has only 5 votes. I went for Cabaye because I think out of those listed we notice it most. His freekicks, key passes, work rate and defensive work. HBA may be the most exciting player but not best.

I was having this discussion the other day with my brother in law. You could add RVP to that.

As Newcastle fans we all knew last season was strange and not in the sense that we finished 5th. This year has got back to what we are used too as a club regardless of who we bought or didn`t. This year unlike last we have had the usual injury crisis of longterm injuries to more than 5 players key players throughout, its currently at 8 just like Villa and 1 more than QPR, I don`t think thats a coincidence when all the clubs doing better are between 4 and none. This year we have seen the usual bad ref decsions and red/yellow cards that has not helped, Colo and Toite both players got reds that need 3-4 games in a row to get up to speed where as others don`t. One game as an example recently if I remember without bringing up definate stats we had 18 fouls against us and they got 1 yellow card, we committed like 8 fouls and got 6 yellow cards. This has happened game after game. Nothing new to us it just didn`t happen last year for once. Again this year we seem to hold the record for players that have never scored for their club score against us and dodgey offsides and deflections. I think we gambled on having another lucky season, I`m sure im not tripping out but didn`t we have a large chunk of last season unbeaten up there with the best in Europe or was it the best defence outside the top 4. I do think had the above not gone against us like it has done so many seasons prior to last we would have comfortably been in 7th or something. Take out any one of those bad luck stories we would have been 10th I imagine. For some strange reason I think MA was hoping to scrape through to January to get targets cheaper due less on their contracts and maybe to save half a years wages and it has back fired as he doesn`t know what we know about our shit luck. Anyway back to topic I think we need the impossible like everyone else a CB or 2 and a RB. In the summer we need to replace Jonas and Shola with an outright winger that can actually hold the ball up before crossing and a CF that can link the midfield to the front 1 or 2 depending on formation. What will happen is we will probably get no one, if we do get someone they will quickly get injured or Colo will so we will be no better off. We will then hopefully do a Wigan and just stay up.

He has different limitations though, for a start he doesn't get outpaced by pretty much every single player in the division which is a massive advantage. Perch also manages to pass the ball with a bit of confidence. He's stronger in the tackle and his positioning is no worse than Williamson's either. The only thing Williamson has on him is height and winning bread and butter headers (and he's not even too good at that tbh). Williamson was once outjumped by Charles N'Zogbia ffs. He's an absolute embarrassment. Williamson can win a header if its against stick thin players, but its really better if he didn`t as it will only go to the opposition, even unchallenged it will go into a danger area.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4679570/Demba-Ba-transfer-Arsenal-want-Newcastle-striker.html Can`t be bothered to quote this one, some made up crap that Wenger wants him.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4679621/andy-carroll-hammers-photographer.html

Yes but we have 9 players missing and europa league, and i don't believe in the statistics that says we play the long ball game... No matter what we should give him the rest of the season... Ask your guide dog to tell you then , only joking We have been awful and its not just about how bad we are playing, its the crap and contridictions that he comes out with that have done me. I agree 100% Theres got to be more to it. Good players could still make Hoof ball work surely. The invidual errors and invidual below par form worry me more than the tactics. For some reason they all look drained of confidence. Colo letting his man go at Stoke for their second goal is out of character. Lets say Pardew turns up for training on a Monday morning and says " right lets practise lumping it forward again this week in a ridgid 4-4-2 formation, then after that lets work on miss placing passes." I just can`t see it myself. Someone in another thread mentioned the players maybe feeling disallusioned by Ashley not spending a penny. I think if anything its more to do with it. I really do not think that a manager that turned us around one season could cluelessly destroy us the next whilst being oblivious it.

We've got 14 points from 14 games and we've had a relatively easy run of games. We're struggling after playing games which we needed to win and we're looking at games which our current form over the last 6 games is the 2nd worst in the league. We are about to face a series of games where we'll be lucky to come out of with anything like a reasonable goal difference never mind points total. Of our 14 games played we’ve faced Chelsea and Man U away, apart from that we should be able to expect to get something from the others. We’ve vastly under-performed so often that we have no right to expect anything positive from any team either at home or away. How Everton performed under Moyes at any time is irrelevant to our current position. Of the games we have played, ignoring Chelsea and Man Utd away we have also played 5,6,7,8,9 th placed teams. They didn`t get there by just picking up points off us. West Brom and Swansea are both playing way above what we are used to them playing. Both of them have won bigger games than us. Your talking like all we needed to do was turn up because we are Newcastle and Pardew has made sure we lost. 2 games I think we would have won we ended up with 10 men. Out of all of the games this season West Ham and Southampton were disappointments. So have those teams overtaken us now? Their squads don't seem any better than ours so why are we consistently losing to them? I really don`t know the answer to that other than games are not played on paper ? The same reason Arsenal lost to Swansea or Chelsea lost to West Brom or Man City only getting a draw at home to Everton. There are too many varibles to place all the blame on Pardews Tactics. West Broms sqaud do not look like a 5th place team and Arsenals squad do not look like a tenth place team. Is Wengers tactics to blame, should he get sacked ? There are plenty of Arsenal fans who are saying so. City and Chelsea having a blip can't seriously be compared to losing 4 games in a row against some of the supposed weaker teams in the division. West Brom, Swansea, West Ham, Norwich. Four teams with squads weaker than ours who are outperforming us at the current time. Could it be our bad form this season has coincided with these so called weaker squads having a good run of form. Swansea beating Arsenal shortly after beating us. West Ham beat Chelsea shortly after beating us. West Brom have had a good season anyway.

Aye, right. We've only been disappointing twice this season. I thought this was the Pardew out thread ? I can`t see how Pardew is to blame for Krul making game changing errors, surely that would be down to him or the goal keeping coach ? Williamson being twice as shit as last year if that is possible, Pardew does not control the finances, surely that is Ashleys fault ? Cabaye playing with a groin propblem, did Pardew kick him in it ? Colo getting injured and then after that getting a red ? Pardew again ? Toite for the past few seasons has needed a run of 4-5 games to start performing, hes been injured and suspended. Cisse can`t score without pin point service, without Toite and Cabaye on top form that hasn`t happened. I could go on and on. I just don`t see it as simple as Pardew needs replacing. I see it as a crap summer transfer window, some shit individual errors, bad concentration and a bit of bad luck.

We've got 14 points from 14 games and we've had a relatively easy run of games. We're struggling after playing games which we needed to win and we're looking at games which our current form over the last 6 games is the 2nd worst in the league. We are about to face a series of games where we'll be lucky to come out of with anything like a reasonable goal difference never mind points total. Of our 14 games played we’ve faced Chelsea and Man U away, apart from that we should be able to expect to get something from the others. We’ve vastly under-performed so often that we have no right to expect anything positive from any team either at home or away. How Everton performed under Moyes at any time is irrelevant to our current position. Of the games we have played, ignoring Chelsea and Man Utd away we have also played 5,6,7,8,9 th placed teams. They didn`t get there by just picking up points off us. West Brom and Swansea are both playing way above what we are used to them playing. Both of them have won bigger games than us. Your talking like all we needed to do was turn up because we are Newcastle and Pardew has made sure we lost. 2 games I think we would have won we ended up with 10 men. Out of all of the games this season West Ham and Southampton were disappointments. So have those teams overtaken us now? Their squads don't seem any better than ours so why are we consistently losing to them? I really don`t know the answer to that other than games are not played on paper ? The same reason Arsenal lost to Swansea or Chelsea lost to West Brom or Man City only getting a draw at home to Everton. There are too many varibles to place all the blame on Pardews Tactics. West Broms sqaud do not look like a 5th place team and Arsenals squad do not look like a tenth place team. Is Wengers tactics to blame, should he get sacked ?

We've got 14 points from 14 games and we've had a relatively easy run of games. We're struggling after playing games which we needed to win and we're looking at games which our current form over the last 6 games is the 2nd worst in the league. We are about to face a series of games where we'll be lucky to come out of with anything like a reasonable goal difference never mind points total. Of our 14 games played we’ve faced Chelsea and Man U away, apart from that we should be able to expect to get something from the others. We’ve vastly under-performed so often that we have no right to expect anything positive from any team either at home or away. How Everton performed under Moyes at any time is irrelevant to our current position. Of the games we have played, ignoring Chelsea and Man Utd away we have also played 5,6,7,8,9 th placed teams. They didn`t get there by just picking up points off us. West Brom and Swansea are both playing way above what we are used to them playing. Both of them have won bigger games than us. Your talking like all we needed to do was turn up because we are Newcastle and Pardew has made sure we lost. 2 games I think we would have won we ended up with 10 men. Out of all of the games this season West Ham and Southampton were disappointments.