colinmk

Oh dear, more crossed wires.. Wise said the system would work in such and such a way, Keegan said he was happy about it, then six months later Keegan is unhappy and the club come out and say the system now no longer works such and so and never has done, but it has always worked in quite a different way. From this turn of events, if you manage to conclude Keegan is the party doing the lying for having said he was happy with the system yet walking out six months later is ridiculous. As I´ve said before: there is a discrepancy between what he said then and what he said now because he was misled, like we all were. No crossed wires here at all. I presume you've made up your mind that KK is blameless in this and its all the clubs fault. Maybe it is, but maybe it isn't. I've said before I believe there is about a 50/50 split on this. When Wise and KK said what they said (haven't got the actual quotes, but got the general gist of both) maybe one of them wasn't telling the whole truth, maybe both.......or maybe both were actually telling the truth at that time. If the latter, and i'm more inclined to go along with that, then you have to ask what changed. Did the club decide to change the DOF's role in spite of KK, or because of KK? Of course Keegan isn't totally blameless, but from what we are seeing and from the different statements by the club and club representatives in Keegan´s tenure it´s clear to me that they have shifted the goal posts, and while that may have been acceptable to some other managers (not many mind you) everybody who knows Keegan knows he would have not accepted it. Which leaves me with only 3 options: 1) they didn't know or research KK before appointing him, in which case I would call that gross negligence and they deserve every ounce of s*** they get for abusing a Toon legend 2) the did know this would happen, in which case I wonder what game they are playing at. They would have still abused KK's reputation for some ulteriour motive or 3) the change in structure wasn't planned from the offset but just kind of developped that way and it all came to burst on the last day of the transfer window. Whilst I think this is a very likely scenario, I would class this as a huge mistake in internal communication, and again the club deserves most of the blame. The way they are currently handling the aftermath of this isn't doing them any favours either. They come across as two-faces snakes contradicting themselves publicly in the space of a few months.. I agree, option 3 is the way I feel its gone so far, but until we get more than the short, sharp club statements and LMA press releases we're all going to have to wait and see 'why' it changed. I think your right but it was also option 1 too. They would surely of not allowed the situation to develop into what it did if they knew much about him as a person.

This is the impression I'm getting too?

None, don't care who they get it's the way they have gone about everything that disgusts me.

Of course he could have walked earlier, maybe he thought things might change for the better. Sounds like the Milner sale and the fact that a replacement wasn't bought tipped him over the edge.

Yep the average joe will believe it all, KK has thick skin though and will pull through it with his reputation intact.

Raul.

This is how envisioned it if at all. I'm not sure how Barca got to that stage though, like did the fans actually make an investment each into the club to buy it at somepoint?

The players I'm most fearing losing are the ones that actually love the club like Given.

And you know that how? I'm just presuming he's not lied to the fans.

He said himself the day he arrived he didn't know what he was coming into though. He told us funds were there from the start and over the course he has insisted that he was in control of players in and out. Obviously I am speculating here but that would appear to be the major reason in him resigning.

I'm not sure why you are concentrating on the negatives of KK so much Indi when what has happened is that he has come in and been given a job based on false foundations. He has had to resign this time not because of his own personal inadequacies but because he was lied to and the job presented to him was far from how it turned out to be. I like to stick by my principles so I agree 100% with him resigning from the post.

I am in this boat too. It's sucking the enjoyment out of it for me and tonight has topped it all off. Keegan was at least someone genuine and was into football for all the right reasons. It's gone so far now that it's getting harder for new generations to see what football should really be about and it will continue to suffer as a result.

It's all very well talking about what flaws Keegan has but the fact of the matter is that he was brought to the club under false pretenses and was well within his rights to resign. The man has been used by this current board and that cannot be ignored and I for one don't want cunts like that in charge of the club.

I'd imagine the end of the transfer window exacerbated things. He seemed confident in getting the players he wanted when we sold Milner. Obviously he didn't. I think it's fair to say he has been lied to or else he has lied to the fans on numerous occasions. We all know which is the case and as a man of integrity he had to resign.

Seriously, why? If Ashley is to do any right from wrong it has to be someone of extreme pedigree not someone like Poyet.

Poyet would be a fucking disgrace.

Don't care why it's happened right now, I'm just gutted. I feel like the next few years of being a supporter have been stolen from me.

Yep.

Surely, if they reach a conclusion.

if he stays then things will improve because the only way he will stay is if changes are made to the transfer policy and so on. he has been constantly undermined so far and i can see why he would be angry because he is saying one thing and the board are doing another. apparently tthey offered owen around monday noght. bloody disgraceful without kk's disgression and barton as well. Yeah that's what i mean by the right direction. Think it's silly to speculate about Owen etc because we don't know any facts at all. No quotes form Keegan, none from anyone form nufc.

Thank fuck he is staying, hoepfully a lot of good will come out of this ie a clear direction and agreement of how the club is going to work.

If he does say then I hope skysports get sued to fuck, the shit-stirring cunts.

It sounds to me like he is far from happy with the general set-up which as a result are going over his head with the dealings of certain players and he wants this changed. I imagine the board will be very reluctant to change it and that's where the stand off is. Hopefully they see what an impact KK leaving would have so they make the changes that he wants. I for one don't think anybody at the club should be going over his head with regards to the playing staff. He should make the decisions and live and die by these decisions.

I don't often agree with what you have to say, but I'm in total agreements with your sentiments, no use taking sides here it would be counter productive in the extreme. True but if the other side of the coin hits tommorow we are fucked for now.

Depends on King Kev most likely.