OzzieMandias

Why mention it then? I won't be giving NUSC credit for the price reduction, because there's no evidence it's anything to do with them. And I will criticise the fans that caused chaos after KK left, because I don't agree with what they did. because a bunch of people on here got all hot and bothered that 'the fans' are to blame for the state we are in, really laughable stuff like 'the banner made us lose' on one occasion. people are more than willing to point out how much damage an insignificant fan club are doing (and how badly run they are whilst giving the professional club board lots of slack). nusc must be very influential if they can cause such damage! so i just wondered if the same people would also dish out the credit for putting pressure on the board to try and win fans round. you do both or you do none. So you're arguing that fans can have no effect upon the club at the same time as arguing in favour of an organisation whose relevance and reason for existing is based entirely upon the opposite being true. Well said. I was reading today's posts on this thread and working up to posting about precisely this logical disconnect. The very people who argue most strongly in favour of protest, of "doing something" -- ie insisting that fan action of this nature can have a positive effect -- are also the most keen to deny that fan action can have any kind of negative effect at all. In reality, if one is true, so must be the other. Worrying about the effect of protest on the team is horse shit to tell the truth. 24 points in 22 games without any protests? Christ! What level of confidence are we concerned about denting by having a go at the owner? An already extremely fragile confidence. However, you miss the point. Chez was saying upthread, and I agree, that the atmosphere of outraged protest following the departure of Keegan was one of the factors making it impossible for us to find a better manager than Joe Kinnear. The NUSC meanwhile seem to think that they can somehow oust Mike Ashley from the club. All this is about stuff that happens off the pitch.

Why mention it then? I won't be giving NUSC credit for the price reduction, because there's no evidence it's anything to do with them. And I will criticise the fans that caused chaos after KK left, because I don't agree with what they did. because a bunch of people on here got all hot and bothered that 'the fans' are to blame for the state we are in, really laughable stuff like 'the banner made us lose' on one occasion. people are more than willing to point out how much damage an insignificant fan club are doing (and how badly run they are whilst giving the professional club board lots of slack). nusc must be very influential if they can cause such damage! so i just wondered if the same people would also dish out the credit for putting pressure on the board to try and win fans round. you do both or you do none. So you're arguing that fans can have no effect upon the club at the same time as arguing in favour of an organisation whose relevance and reason for existing is based entirely upon the opposite being true. Well said. I was reading today's posts on this thread and working up to posting about precisely this logical disconnect. The very people who argue most strongly in favour of protest, of "doing something" -- ie insisting that fan action of this nature can have a positive effect -- are also the most keen to deny that fan action can have any kind of negative effect at all. In reality, if one is true, so must be the other.

Doesn't he have a house round the back of La Sagesse in Bemersyde Drive?

I don't know which is more shocking – that they're going into administration, or that the stadium is no longer called Feethams.

Protesting without any idea of what might constitute a favourable outcome, in a situation where the owner has already tried to sell and found it impossible .... Moronic. ?We are responsible for the effort, not the outcome? Please tell me that quote is not meant to make NUSC look good ? Makes them a total joke. It's nowt to do with NUSC. They kept reiterating it wasn't a protest. Yeah, we've already established that they are liars and hypocrites.

Protesting without any idea of what might constitute a favourable outcome, in a situation where the owner has already tried to sell and found it impossible .... Moronic.

How would they have done it? By borrowing more money? From who? We had already spent the sponsorship money, and Northern Rock itself was no longer in a position to help. We were in debt, losing money and their appointment Allardyce was not taking the club forward. There was no money left to back the managers with. So how would they have done it? Don't confuse him with too much reality.

It's your imbecilic argument, not mine.

Do you think that if you believe in protesting about one thing, then you should believe in protesting about everything? you believe in protesting about how the club is being run, and not protesting about how the club is being run, correct ? Unless of course, you think Ashley is at least matching his predecessors ? Only a slack-jawed imbecile could possibly believe that if you protest one thing in one circumstance, then you have to protest anything in any circumstance. especially when its for exactly the same thing, right mackems.gif OK, if you insist on playing the imbecile, then by your own "logic" you're a prize hypocrite for protesting about Ashley but not protesting against Shepherd.

(Re. all this "pie and chips" stuff... didn't they outsource the SJP catering?)

This.

He recruits players. So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then. See what I mean? No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job. How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is? We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title. I'll find a link later when I have enough time. I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings. Aye, they basically lied. I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now. Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though. I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached. Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it. They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change, I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now. Well, who knows? But in any case, this would be a problem with the job, rather than a problem with the guy currently occupying it, no?

more irony. Do you or do you not think that Dennis Wise is a good DOF, and do you or do you not think that Mike Ashley will run a successful club in keeping with the recent history of the club and the last owners. Please debate this sensibly, give us your intelligent and reasoned response, and none of this hindsight bullshit that you excell in. It's all yours. I've bolded the one relevant bit. As we don't know precisely what his duties are, it's impossible to answer. As I've said, though, the fact that people didn't like him as a player is irrelevant and the issue of his ties to the club or region is irrelevant, but if player recruitment within a tight budget is part of his remit, he doesn't seem to doing too bad a job.

He recruits players. So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then. See what I mean? No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job. How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is? We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title. I'll find a link later when I have enough time. I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings. Aye, they basically lied. I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now. Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though. I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached. Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

He recruits players. So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then. See what I mean? No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job. How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is? We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title. I'll find a link later when I have enough time. I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings. Aye, they basically lied. I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now. Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

Oh look, my stalker has arrived, muttering the usual irrelevancies. Why don't you try and find something intelligent to say about my post?

Neither do I, that's why I said neither of those matter. I wasn't having a go at you, Dave. Just adding my tuppence worth on the general subject of Wise. One of the many dumb things in that NUSC protest rally speech posted on here was this bit... Followed closely by this... I've no particular love for the guy, but I just don't get the hatred.

People go on about what a twat Wise was as a player, but I wonder if he was that much of a twat as a person given that he seems to have formed strong friendships with distinguished foreign imports such as Zola, Deschamps and Poyet. That could be seen as quite forward-looking on his part, as the quality of signings he's turned up for us suggests that he has a pretty good network out there. I don't think it matters a damn whether or not he has any "natural affinity" for the Toon.

Do you think that if you believe in protesting about one thing, then you should believe in protesting about everything? you believe in protesting about how the club is being run, and not protesting about how the club is being run, correct ? Unless of course, you think Ashley is at least matching his predecessors ? Only a slack-jawed imbecile could possibly believe that if you protest one thing in one circumstance, then you have to protest anything in any circumstance.

Maximum waffle and a total absence of practical suggestions.

So yet another question goes laughably unanswered.

Why on earth would the club talk about things that happened 7–15 years ago? The debts are what remain.

Why?

40 years, actually.

Do you think that if you believe in protesting about one thing, then you should believe in protesting about everything?