OzzieMandias

The story is a cover-up. He was obviously assassinated by agents provocateurs disguised as zebras.

Where are they all hiding, then?

You can spot them by their cockney accents.

Thanks for paying me so much money to post on this forum.

He is not doing it as a fucking favour, it is his fucking club man. Wrong actually, the club belongs to the region. If it was just his, then nobody would give a fuck if it existed or not. Bottom line is that we do care, and factually and legally Mike Ashley is keeping the club afloat. I wish a few people would read that article this week which points out (using established fact rather than opinion) that the previous directors took out nearly £150m out of the club into their own pockets, and Ashley has so far has only put money in. Why the fuck have we as a supporter base suddenly gone all militant?! He is not doing it as a fucking favour, it is his fucking club man. Wrong actually, the club belongs to the region. If it was just his, then nobody would give a fuck if it existed or not. Bottom line is that we do care, and factually and legally Mike Ashley is keeping the club afloat. I wish a few people would read that article this week which points out (using established fact rather than opinion) that the previous directors took out nearly £150m out of the club into their own pockets, and Ashley has so far has only put money in. Why the fuck have we as a supporter base suddenly gone all militant?! Because the Shepherd years conditioned people to think that a few chants of "sack the board" would result in the cheque book coming out? Absence of cheque book seemingly promotes louder and louder chants.

Oh, the evil mendacity of it all! Mind you, Happy Face will probably claim this proves Ashley turned down investment or something. Silly picking that one out. Sillier posting it in the first place as if it proved something.

Oh, the evil mendacity of it all! Mind you, Happy Face will probably claim this proves Ashley turned down investment or something.

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors! "I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush" Exactly. No refusal there at all. When you asked that tart out and she said "some other time" that was a knock back mate. I know you don't like to think so, but it was. Feeble. "There are some great people who come to our matches who sit in the corporate areas, and wouldn?t it be great to have local backing for what we are doing? ?Some of them would talk to me last season and say, ?Mike, is there an opportunity for us to come into the club again because we were shareholders in the plc previously??. Either they've invested since or he's knocked them back or he was making it up at the time. Which is it? Whatever it is, it's clearly not a refusal. In fact, it seems more like an invitation. He's inventing imaginary questions for himself in an attempt to attract people to the club? That reminds me of someone... So now you're saying it's lie. So it's still not a refusal. I'm asking you what it is. I still call it a refusal....if it happened. Do you believe anyone asked the question? Why would Ashley make up a story about looking for partners to invest in the club if he didn't want to do it? Why wuld him and his cronies make up stories full stop. Here's a tiny sample or the rebounding 'stories'... QUOTE(Happy Face @ Dec 29 2008, 06:29 PM) QUOTE "The caliber of player we want to bring in is someone with a lot of Premiership experience or Champions League experience and they are in short supply. We are at a stage where we don't want to just bring players in to add to the squad, we want players who are going to be in the first team." Chris Mort 02/08/2007 "NEWCASTLE United have completed the signing of midfielder Danny Guthrie from Liverpool. The 21-year-old put pen to paper on a four-year contract at St. James' Park on Friday evening after the Magpies agreed a fee with the Reds." NUFC 11/07/2008 "NEWCASTLE United have agreed a fee with FC Metz for France under-21 defender Sebastien Bassong." NUFC 30/07/2008 "NEWCASTLE United have completed the signing of Spain under-21 striker Francisco "Xisco" Jimenez Tejada." NUFC 01/09/2008 "The truth is that Newcastle could not sustain buying the Shevchenko's, Robinho's or the Berbatov's. These are recognised European footballers. They have played in the European leagues and everyone knows about them. They can be brilliant signings. But everybody knows that they are brilliant and so they, and players like them, cost more than £30 million to buy before you even take into account agent commissions and the multi-million pound wage deals. My plan and my strategy for Newcastle is different. It has to be. It takes time. It can't be done overnight. Newcastle has therefore set up an extensive scouting system. We look for young players, for players in foreign leagues who everyone does not know about. We try and stay ahead of the competition. We search high and low looking for value, for potential that we can bring on and for players who will allow Newcastle to compete at the very highest level but who don't cost the earth." Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 QUOTE "The team is going to need time to get things right and we're going to give them time to get it right. We will get it right eventually." Chris Mort 07/12/2007 "Newcastle United has parted company with Sam Allardyce as its Manager with immediate effect." NUFC 09/01/2008 QUOTE "I'd like to start with people in the North East because there are some great people who come to our matches who sit in the corporate areas, and wouldn?t it be great to have local backing for what we are doing? Some of them would talk to me last season and say, "Mike, is there an opportunity for us to come into the club again because we were shareholders in the plc previously?" I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush but why wouldn't I welcome people who wanted to invest?" Mike Ashley 08/08/2008 I am Mike Ashley, not Mike Ashley a multi-billionaire with unlimited resources. Newcastle United and I can't do what other clubs can. We can't afford it. Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 QUOTE "I am now a dad who can't take his kids to a football game on a Saturday because I am advised that we would be assaulted" Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 "A number of groups came to the ground to carry out their lawful protest and I would like to praise those fans for the way in which they behaved." Ch Supt Paul Weir, Northumbria Police's match commander 14/09/2008 "We gave no formal advice to Mr Ashley about not attending Saturday's game. It is not our place to do so." Northumbria Police 16/09/2008 QUOTE "This club had £100million-worth of debt which has now been cleared" Chris Mort 07/05/2008 "I then poured another £110 million into the club not to pay off the debt but just to reduce it. The club is still in debt. Even worse than that, the club still owes millions of pounds in transfer fees." Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 "Financially we're very sound. We don't owe a bean as far as the club are concerned" Joe Kinnear 02/01/2009 QUOTE "Arsenal is the shining example in England of a sustainable business model." Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 "If I go into a job and someone says to me that you have a director of football who buys and sells the players, I accept or don't accept it. If I accept it, I cannot complain. I would personally not accept that" Arsene Wenger 12/09/2008 QUOTE "I'm here to help Kevin, bringing young players through and also recommend certain players to him. He'll say yes and no, he has the final word, no-one else. Everything that happens will be run past him. I'm not going to bring players in behind his back - I'm not into that." Dennis Wise 01/02/2008 "We have started talking about who we will be bringing in and Kevin will have the final say" Chris Mort 07/05/2008 "It is a fact that Kevin Keegan, as manager, had specific duties in that he was responsible for the training, coaching, selection and motivation of the Team. It is a fact that Kevin Keegan was allowed to manage his specific duties without any interference from any Board member. It is a fact that Kevin Keegan agreed only to deal with the media in relation to Club matters relating to the Team and not to communicate with the media in relation to the acquisition or disposal of players." NUFC 06/09/2008 QUOTE ?I understand investors are about to buy the club, Mike Ashley told me openly. I will be here for six to eight games. I am aware that the new owners have Kevin Keegan and possibly Alan Shearer parked around the corner.? Joe Kinnear 25/09/2008 "NEWCASTLE United have announced today that Joe Kinnear has signed a contract as manager until the end of the 2008/09 season." NUFC 28/11/2008 QUOTE "I am no longer prepared to subsidise Newcastle United. I am putting the club up for sale. You don't need to demonstrate against me again because I have got the message." Mike Ashley 14/09/2008 "I have withdrawn Newcastle United from the market" Mike Ashley 28/12/2008 QUOTE "I gave you my word that as long as I remain owner, this club would continue to be run responsibly at all levels. I hope you will accept that I have stood by that pledge." Mike Ashley 28/12/2008 Quote released when Newcastle where 2 points off the relegation places, halfway through the season QUOTE ?Joe?s the man to do the job. He?s my hero. Is he better than Capello? Definitely. We are going to be in Europe by the end of the season!? Mike Ashley 18/12/2008 Outcome pending QUOTE "He [Given] won't be leaving, he has no interest in that whatsoever. He loves the football club, he's part of the city and that suits us because he's a world-class goalkeeper. He's very happy here, he's very comfortable at Newcastle United." Joe Kinnear 31/12/2008 "Shay is very despondent, all that he can see ahead with the turmoil on and off the pitch is a battle for survival. Having served the club loyally for over 11 years, Shay feels compelled to consider his position" Michael Kennedy 01/01/2009 QUOTE "I have enquired about Ferguson, but we will wait and see what the outcome is." Joe Kinnear 03/01/2009 "As far as my chairman, my chief executive and myself are concerned, there's been no contact with Newcastle or any other club regarding Barry." Walter Smith 05/01/2009 QUOTE "I have withdrawn Newcastle United from the market. Any potential buyer would have to show they had the best interests of Newcastle United at heart and had both the commitment and finance to be worthy custodians of such a fine football club before I would even consider doing a deal." Mike Ashley 28/12/2008 ?A few weeks ago there was a decent degree of positive thought and optimism that there would be a buyer and then, amongst others, Mr Madoff came along. There were two people that were looking at Newcastle with us who lost, let?s say, over $300m to Madoff. Let?s face it, it (the Madoff scandal) holed everything beneath the water line. The people who were investing with him followed their peers and they should have done their due diligence and all those things and they didn?t. That came at the end of a two or three-month period of absolute decline in all the stock markets, financial markets and banking markets.? Keith Harris 09/01/2009 QUOTE "I've spoken to my bosses at the club. They know what my aims are and what I want to continue to progress. As soon as a big club knocks on the door with a good offer, I don't think they'll prevent me leaving." Charles N'Zogbia 08/01/2009 "The agent?s being disrespectful. He?s never had the decency to explain anything to any member of this football club. It?s laughable, to be honest. It?s absolute nonsense. Charles is under contract until 2012, and I told him on day one that he was a very important player." Joe Kinnear 09/01/2009 QUOTE ?Over the course of the year I?ve spoken to lots of fans about how we can improve things at St James? Park" Chris Mort 22/05/2009 "The SJP Box Office telephone number has now been changed with immediate effect to: 0844 372 1892." NUFC.com 20/01/2009 "01/02 phone numbers are used for everyday local and national calls and can be included in any free or discounted minutes on your tariff. If you don?t have inclusive minutes for these, you?ll typically pay around 4p per minute (ppm) peak and around 1.5ppm off-peak from landlines. 0844 is a revenue-sharing number that is not included in 'free' or discounted minutes. Calls to 0844 phone numbers cost up to 5p a minute from landlines at all times of day, and typically between 15p (if you're a 3 mobile customer) and 40p per minute from mobiles. Depending on your network, call charges may be higher on pay as you go than on a contract." Which.co.uk QUOTE ?I have been out of the country and just returned. I don?t know anything about this. If I have been appointed as coach of Newcastle United then that is certainly news to me.? Colin Calderwood 20/01/2009 "We have Colin Calderwood on board now, he will be joining us until the end of the season to bring something else to our backroom team." Joe Kinnear 26/01/2009 QUOTE "I am the first to accept there have been times this season when you would have liked to have heard more from me direct, particularly at certain points. There have been reasons why I have not have been able to do that, but in the new year we will look to communicate with you more about what we are doing at St.James' Park, be it through the club's official website, programme and magazine as well as the wider media." Mike Ashley 28/12/2008 ?Mike is going to speak to the Press when the window shuts." Joe Kinnear 15/01/2009 "I think they will sit down with supporters' groups and fans and the people of Newcastle at the end of the season - I know they want to do that." Joe Kinnear 05/02/2009 QUOTE "I'm physically AOK" Joe Kinnear 22/11/2008 ?Joe Kinnear was admitted to hospital on Saturday morning." NUFC 07/02/2009 That was a bunch of toss the first time someone posted it. It hasn't improved with age.

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors! "I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush" Exactly. No refusal there at all. When you asked that tart out and she said "some other time" that was a knock back mate. I know you don't like to think so, but it was. Feeble. "There are some great people who come to our matches who sit in the corporate areas, and wouldn?t it be great to have local backing for what we are doing? ?Some of them would talk to me last season and say, ?Mike, is there an opportunity for us to come into the club again because we were shareholders in the plc previously??. Either they've invested since or he's knocked them back or he was making it up at the time. Which is it? Whatever it is, it's clearly not a refusal. In fact, it seems more like an invitation. He's inventing imaginary questions for himself in an attempt to attract people to the club? That reminds me of someone... So now you're saying it's lie. So it's still not a refusal. I'm asking you what it is. I still call it a refusal....if it happened. Leaving aside your obvious difficulties with the English language, if you doubt that it even happened, how can you cite it as proof of something? Or do normal rules of logic and debate simply get suspending when it comes to sticking the boot into Ashley?

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors! "I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush" Exactly. No refusal there at all. When you asked that tart out and she said "some other time" that was a knock back mate. I know you don't like to think so, but it was. Feeble. "There are some great people who come to our matches who sit in the corporate areas, and wouldn?t it be great to have local backing for what we are doing? ?Some of them would talk to me last season and say, ?Mike, is there an opportunity for us to come into the club again because we were shareholders in the plc previously??. Either they've invested since or he's knocked them back or he was making it up at the time. Which is it? Whatever it is, it's clearly not a refusal. In fact, it seems more like an invitation. He's inventing imaginary questions for himself in an attempt to attract people to the club? That reminds me of someone... So now you're saying it's lie. So it's still not a refusal.

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors! "I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush" Exactly. No refusal there at all. When you asked that tart out and she said "some other time" that was a knock back mate. I know you don't like to think so, but it was. Feeble. "There are some great people who come to our matches who sit in the corporate areas, and wouldn?t it be great to have local backing for what we are doing? ?Some of them would talk to me last season and say, ?Mike, is there an opportunity for us to come into the club again because we were shareholders in the plc previously??. Either they've invested since or he's knocked them back or he was making it up at the time. Which is it? Whatever it is, it's clearly not a refusal. In fact, it seems more like an invitation.

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors! "I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush" Exactly. No refusal there at all. When you asked that tart out and she said "some other time" that was a knock back mate. I know you don't like to think so, but it was. Feeble.

Yes, its shoulds. FYPs Fucks offs.

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors! "I'd tell them we'd look at it at the end of the season as there was no rush" Exactly. No refusal there at all.

Yes, it should.

I suspect Macphisto is an agent provacteur with the mission to make NUSC activists and Ashley Outists appear completely thick.

We've paid off all our debt, but we've still got loads of debt with more to come. Our wage bill is too high, but Ashley has increased the wage bill. We need investment, but Ashley turns down offers of investment from local businessmen. It's cheaper to pay a DOF to bring in players than let the manager do it, but the DOF is paid 150% more than the manager. For all the tales of woe, they don't actually seem to be that worried about it or doing much to sort it. Is that true? Don't think I've seen it before. According to Mike Ashley it is... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/08/08/mike-ashley-exclusive-chronicle-interview-72703-21492315/ But he's been known to talk bollocks....which is exactly ther point. And where does he turn down offers of investment, exactly? The context of that quote was him announcing that he was looking for investors!

Link?

I don't know anyone, friends, family, people at the pub/match etc that support Ashley et al. It's only on here that I've seen it happen. The views of friends and family I talk to, meanwhile, are broadly similar to my own.

There's a range of views on this forum just as there is a range of views among fans in general.

Emotions were running high. In retrospect some mistakes were made and NUSC are aware of that. Yes but the media fella spoke just over a month ago, on the morning of the Liverpool game. Why was his emotions running high that morning? It was nearly 4 months after the sacking of Keegan, we all knew where we stood. We all knew the club was not likely to be sold in the near future, and yet he went on SSN and publicly slagged of Ashley. If he is a media spokesman then he is a crap one, as he burned yet another bridge for NUSC. Until they stop their public Ashley rants (and there were plenty at the meeting, and Ashley and co could listen to them online as easily as us) then why should Ashley speak to them. They don't represent all the fans views with this point, and they fail to realise that fans are not going to pay £10 to tell them that just to be ignored by the board. NUSC doesn't have the finances to be represented by Saatchi and Saatchi. Which would be a waste of money anyway as they're an ad agency, not a PR company.

Any anti-Ashley strategy that's predicated on the assumption that he really, really, really ought to sell up at a loss is doomed to failure for obvious reasons. He may eventually decide to cut his losses, though I think it's unlikely NUSC will harm the club enough to force the issue. But what do we get then? Owners with even less money than him, most likely.

So Ashley looking silly means that the NUSC can't look silly?

Looks lke you already know the ans. So you think the towering intellects guiding the actions of the NUSC have said to themselves, "Let's get together and express our sense of frustrated victimhood and then everything will improve"? No it's what you're saying. Then perhaps you can provide us with your answer.

Perhaps you can momentarily ditch your obsession with the past and link to a recent example. Me, I see Liverpool's owners desperate to sell to a cash-rich customer because they can't refinance their debt, and the club with the Premiership's second-richest benefactor operating a sell-to-buy policy because even an injection of £600 million (!) hasn't been enough to buy sustainable success for Chelsea. So point me to an example of a club doing this. The first sentence, pointing to a preceding paragraph which you did not quote, points out that Spurs have not. Here's the link UV did not bother to provide: http://www.footballeconomy.com/