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Obviously, but it is encouraging that he's aware of where we went wrong, and admits to being too slow in making the changes. It's taken him 5 games to see where he's gone wrong when most of us were pointing it out from the first game? He's clueless man. I've stuck up for him for a long time but he's starting to remind me scarily of Souness in talking a good game but not having the slightest idea how to implement it. The best we can hope for from this clod is that he picks the right players and they organise themselves to good effect. He's not a manager, he should be selling double glazed windows.

If we see any difference it will be because the players adapt by themselves when more technical players are introduced. I don't see any hint of active coaching to get us to play from the back like Keegan did when he was trying to undo Fat Sam's brainwashing. If what he's doing is a plan which to gradually introduce the new players to English football it's not a very good one. I'm sure Cabaye and the like would prefer to play on the deck.

It's not pretty though, is it? That was one of his major selling points upon arrival, that he would bring us a "better brand" of football. This season has been pretty shocking so far in that respect. Not complaining about the points haul, mind. Where's that "better brand" quote from? Definately hoping for an improvement but not too worried yet. The players we have brought in should get us there but may take us a while, and it's not helped when we lack the kind of striker that can give us the confidence to be more adventurous. I think that's another red herring thrown out there by Pardew. While Ben Arfa will definitely help, we have enough decent players who can do a job in attack and midfield if we set them up the right way IMO. Marveaux could play in that role, even Ba looked useful last night. Pardew needs to stop bullshitting about how great we are defending and get his players passing the ball from the back and building up moves like most normal teams do. Any player who repeatedly loses possession should be replaced. It's not rocket science, honestly.

More Pardew waffle. He says that the midfield was probably out-numbered, but you can put as many numbers in there as you like, if you whack it long over their heads it will make no difference. Here's a clue Pards - watch Man U, Chelsea or Man City and try and spot what they do different to us. They don't fucking whack it down the pitch towards two 6ft Neanderthals you numbskull. Just pick a team capable of playing football and ask them to do that.

From what I've seen the manager seems to have very little idea about the players who have been brought in and is using the players he knows instead. It seems very similar to the situation at West Ham where the owners brought in Mascherano and Tevez and Pardew, not knowing how to deploy them, reverted to picking his tried and trusted championship cloggers.

I agree with most of that, however a blind man on a galloping horse could see we were overrun last night and yet he didnt change it at half time. Obviously wasnt helped as well by some very poor displays from quite a few individuals. Results have papered over the cracks as well. The way Pardew has set the team out has seen us dominated in midfield in every single game so far this season, even by Scunthorpe. Only poor finishing from the opposition has seen us avoid defeat on more than one occasion. I don't think I would complain about the tactics if it looked like they were being implemented to a plan, but it really looks like no one has any idea what is going on out there in the first 45 mins of every game so far.

I don't think we'll get to see us playing real football until the keeper starts rolling the ball out to the full backs and they start bringing the ball out and passing it and supporting the midfield. We can pick the likes of Santon and perhaps Ferguson who will improve our game on the ball when we have it. Krul will need to be told to gradually start throwing the ball rather than wellying it towards the target man, but he's capable of that, he used to do it when he first came into the team. I doubt Pardew is the manager who will coach it back into him, but once he's sacked it might come back if we hire a decent coach.

While he didn't run at the full backs as often as he could, he used the ball quite intelligently when he had it. Some nice passes into space behind the defenders and he kept possession well. In the first half I thought him and Best were our two best attacking players.

Looking on the brighter side, the team must improve just through the personnel we have brought in. Marveaux, Ba and David Santon should add some guile and improve the football by default even if the manager has no idea how to coach passing football - which he clearly hasn't. I am just relieved that the players we have bought over the summer were probably brought in over Pardew's head, otherwise I'm sure we'd have been watching Jay Bothroyd and Nicky Shorey rather than David Santon in a couple of weeks time.

Best looked good tonight as far he could in the circumstances. What a fucking shame his manger picked a side which made him look the best technical footballer on the pitch due to the team tactics of launching 90 yard hoofs up the pitch while Cabaye watched confused and Marveuax and Santon sat on the bench. Piss off back to the lower divisions Pardew you fucking clueless prick.

He looked far better IMO. Not his fault that Pardew doesn't know how to assemble a team or even pick a style of play then execute it with the players available.

A shit manager with no game plan is my view. The team selection and game plan seemed extraordinarily stupid IMO. I'm happy to discuss it although I doubt Pards will be , the cockney twat.

This is why I hate Pardew even more. Obertan did alright, but Pardew's long ball tactics made us look far worse than we were. Barton and SWP weren't suddenly overnight sensations, Pardew's hoofball tactics were exposed for the 5th game in a row.

Having Owen, Martins or Kluivert would have made what difference? Owen scored 26 league goals in 4 seasons, Kluivert scored 6 in 25 league games and Martins scored 28 in 3 seasons. Best will have a better record that any of those I would have thought in the Premiership. They're far, far better players though, else why we worrying about buying a striker when we've got Best & Ba with their goal records? A coherent plan on how to use players to their strengths would probably help. Picking a full back because he's scored from two set pieces rather than how he can influence a game against certain opponents would be a prime example of a thick manager in my view.

Think dave's right here. Pretty obvious the players we've brought in are not Pardew's signings. That he puts consistent faith in Shola, who's frankly been worse than shite in every single game he's played so far, speaks volumes IMO. Absolutely ridiculous. No reason whatsoever why we couldn't have set 4-5-1 tonight. Will be interesting to see what he does with HBA when he's back. From what I've seen the players we have signed look they have some quality about them. I just find it astounding that we are signing good technical footballers of international class, yet we end up playing Shola, Best, Taylor and Simpson then expect us to play passing football when the side is clearly set up to defend for our lives, even against mediocre teams like QPR. Their man of the match was SWP for fucks sake. And he didn't even score.

Ryan Taylor was the right player if we wanted to play long ball football, which we did. What a shame we got pissed on in the football sense by a Neil Warnock side who basically just played all his new signings and hoped for the best...which he got because they were all better footballers than Ryan fucking Taylor.

Which game were you watching? Even without any tactics they managed to help us move the ball around better from front to back just by dint of being better quality footballers. I've seen enough of Pardew this season. He doesn't have a clue how to use these players at his disposal and if he can't pick a side to do the basics right then move him aside and let Carver pick the team. Clearly watching it on Teletext with me. If he wasn't playing long ball football today what was he doing? If he was planning on doing that, why not play Gosling instead of Cabaye, then it might have even made more sense? At least Gosling would have been involved as he's not a genuine midfielder.

Obertan was one of our better players today I thought. Used the ball well under pressure, and made some good passes on the rare occasion we had the ball on the deck. I won't judge any technique player while we are playing this abysmal long ball game. I thought he did really well to adapt his game as best he could in all honesty.

Which game were you watching? Even without any tactics they managed to help us move the ball around better from front to back just by dint of being better quality footballers. I've seen enough of Pardew this season. He doesn't have a clue how to use these players at his disposal and if he can't pick a side to do the basics right then move him aside and let Carver pick the team.

A few posters have backed up my words that Cabaye was totally non-existent tonight, not sure why you are so seething. Maybe when it comes from an opposition supporter it hurts more. It was nothing to do with Cabaye, and more to do with Pardew's Allardyce game plan. I'm not surprised you failed to spot it though seeing as compared to Bruce, Pardew probably looks like Jose Mourinho.

Marveaux looked great in the five minutes he had, as did Ba. The players he didn't pick just made Pardew look a bigger prick when they eventually were allowed on the pitch with their intelligent football. Pardew's game plan is non-existent. He doesn't know how to use the players he's got and his time would be better spent sitting in the stands at QPR admiring Barton and then nipping across London to have a pint with Kevin Nolan. Just fuck off and do it sooner rather than later you fraud.

Honestly don't think John Carver could pick worse sides than the ones Pardew has started with this season. We got passed off the park by a Neil Warnock side for ffs. At least Warnock had the balls to play his new signings while Pardew hid behind Ryan Taylor and Shola Ameobi. Pardew doesn't have a clue, every change he makes from the side he originally picks improves us incrementally. I feel sorry for the players who have to start the game with his team selections.

Pardew's selection so no blame to the player who we all know isn't a real footballer in any sense of the word.

Seeing as he was bypassed by our long ball tactics it's hardly a surprise.

I'm counting the days until Pardew is sacked in all honesty. Looks like first impressions are sometimes the best ones, and his starting line ups this season have just made me remember this was the clueless twat who dropped Mascherano and Tevez from his sides at West Ham under media and fan pressure. I really don't think he has a clue about setting up a team to play football and it's starting to show with every change to the squad which isn't geared towards the long ball game. The points we have got this season have been despite this bell end and not due to his tactical know how.