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which is similar to what I said basically.

I love this club more than my own family apparently, so they keep telling me anyway, and i'm not even a Geordie, infact i'm as southern as you get, but from the age of 4 i've had this club as the centre of my life, dramatic maybe but completely true. Ive spent more money following this club and than you could ever dream of, a mental amount infact. Like you i hate what Ashley is doing, but in this case i think the blame was with both of them to begin with but now its Joey who has made it into the s*** storm it has become. Was Keegan wrong when he suspended Joey was at Man.City, was Shearer wrong to make him train alone when Joey kicked off after his stupid challenge at Liverpool and slated Shearer in front of the team, there has to discipline at clubs, Barton may not like it but as is being proven he cannot behave himself, eventually the bad side of him comes out, when it comes out in some people it affects one relationship, like Cole and Sheringham at Man.Utd, they didn't speak but didn't let it go further, But with Joey it affects everything, everyone around him suffers. I know Joeys case is different but tbf at the start he had valid points but he has gone way too far, the poor little me act has shown to be utter crap now. This isn't about his contract, it isn't about loving this club, its isn't about wanting whats best for all of us, not anymore, its about him and his need to be centre of attention. Or am i as a southerner and everyone else who refuse to blame just Ashley being controlled ?. For the record I dont see myself as a southerner, just a person, partner and a dad, i dont see you as a northerner, i see you as a person, a special one at that because of who you support, that anti southerner attitute you have stinks and does you no justice. I think people need to learn to look at each case on it's own merits. The problem with too many fans is that if Barton kicks off he is just another proof that Ashley is screwing the club - which he might well be, but footballers leaving isn't always the owners fault. Same goes for Enrique, Given, Carroll and the rest. In Barton's case he wanted his mates to be given new long term contracts and himself one too. When he didn't get it things turned sour, but if those guys were given new contracts and we didn't improve next season who would have got the blame? Ashley and Pardew, not Nolan and Barton with their cushy new contracts. Whether Ashley is willing to invest in suitable replacements is a separate issue and we'll see if that's the case in a months time. It's not a separate issue though, is it? Dare I say the reaction would be completely different if a suitable replacement was lined up (Barnetta, for instance). This, however, clearly isn't the case. Nothing is clear at this time, Barton only kicked off yesterday how can you line someone up to replace someone who might be here at the start of the season?

what's changed this time?

We won't though. Maybe not, but we'll need a new left back in any case. I still think it will be Wayne Bridge but I hope I'm wrong. It'll be ONe of Danny Simpson, James Perch, Ryan Taylor, Shane Ferguson or Paul Dummett. I really don't believe that.

I love this club more than my own family apparently, so they keep telling me anyway, and i'm not even a Geordie, infact i'm as southern as you get, but from the age of 4 i've had this club as the centre of my life, dramatic maybe but completely true. Ive spent more money following this club and than you could ever dream of, a mental amount infact. Like you i hate what Ashley is doing, but in this case i think the blame was with both of them to begin with but now its Joey who has made it into the s*** storm it has become. Was Keegan wrong when he suspended Joey was at Man.City, was Shearer wrong to make him train alone when Joey kicked off after his stupid challenge at Liverpool and slated Shearer in front of the team, there has to discipline at clubs, Barton may not like it but as is being proven he cannot behave himself, eventually the bad side of him comes out, when it comes out in some people it affects one relationship, like Cole and Sheringham at Man.Utd, they didn't speak but didn't let it go further, But with Joey it affects everything, everyone around him suffers. I know Joeys case is different but tbf at the start he had valid points but he has gone way too far, the poor little me act has shown to be utter crap now. This isn't about his contract, it isn't about loving this club, its isn't about wanting whats best for all of us, not anymore, its about him and his need to be centre of attention. Or am i as a southerner and everyone else who refuse to blame just Ashley being controlled ?. For the record I dont see myself as a southerner, just a person, partner and a dad, i dont see you as a northerner, i see you as a person, a special one at that because of who you support, that anti southerner attitute you have stinks and does you no justice. I think people need to learn to look at each case on it's own merits. The problem with too many fans is that if Barton kicks off he is just another proof that Ashley is screwing the club - which he might well be, but footballers leaving isn't always the owners fault. Same goes for Enrique, Given, Carroll and the rest. In Barton's case he wanted his mates to be given new long term contracts and himself one too. When he didn't get it things turned sour, but if those guys were given new contracts and we didn't improve next season who would have got the blame? Ashley and Pardew, not Nolan and Barton with their cushy new contracts. Whether Ashley is willing to invest in suitable replacements is a separate issue and we'll see if that's the case in a months time.

That's never stopped Freddie having an opinion though, but you're right, it will just be more meaningless guff. Never mind.

We won't though. Maybe not, but we'll need a new left back in any case. I still think it will be Wayne Bridge but I hope I'm wrong.

Did anybody hear the Shepherd interview on Talksport? Would appreciate if someone would pass on his views on all this.

Nah, I've come to terms with the fact I'm not going to change anyone's opinion. I am coming close to leaving the forum though, but I don't know where I'd get my football chat from. Why? It's easy to run along with the herd and be popular - just ask Johnny Hall he's got it down to an art. These are just opinions at the end of the day and the type of nob who thinks you're Ashley's puppet because you question their take on it aren't worth the time of day. Anyway, you don't have it so bad. Look at that somalian kid Kaka. Every time he types a sentence Dave pops up to question his personal experience of the hallowed turf of St James. I don't know if he's Somalian btw, just going of north shields lad's conjecture. He could be Croatian for all I know.

He was always going to go. If we can get £6m in and spend it on a decent left back it'll be the best outcome in the circumstances.

no context Zaius, NO CONTEXT!!! The transfer window hasn't shut yet though has it?

Mick, Get the legal papers drafted and fax them straight to Thompson House. Publishing such a bunch of blatant lies must be grounds for a lawsuit!

You don't have to turn a blind eye, you could always demand someone else buy the club and invest more money in the squad, or join the NUST and demand Ashley sell up. Or boycott the club's pies and buy greggs pasties. I'm sure there are many exciting avenues to force change.

The timing of him doing that makes it look quite reactionary doesnt it? Not something that would have persisted. Look at his reaction to Nolan being sold, his initial comments before coming around to "well thats just how clubs work" hours later. He'd have been fine man, we've dealt with this very badly. You are ignoring what has been brewing since January wrt his new contract. You can't just pretend this is just a couple of twitters in isolation, this has been brewing for months and at the earliest opportunity Barton has tried to divide the dressing room. The only way to deal with it is to get him and any other resentful prick out of the club. Tried to divide the dressing room You couldnt be more biased towards disliking the guy in the first place its beyond apparent. Your conclusions all have alternative options and you are ignoring all of them purely to choose the single idea that fits with what you personally want to believe. No sensible reasoning behind it atall. On the contrary I'm pretty sure I posted here only last week that I felt Joey was going to be a key player here for us this season as I felt he would add much needed steel. So that pretty much blows your bias argument out of the water. (See if I was Mick I would be instructing a lawyer to request you withdraw that accusation or there would be serious consequences). I can post a link if you like.

When did Barton publicly tell Pardew that he was making a wrong decision? Mick it's a public forum to debate issues. If you are going to start playing lawyer rather than tell us your opinion then don't complain if others do the same.

So it hasn't been coinfirmed, thanks. No it hasn't been "coin"firmed if you are talking legal jargon. I'm not sure what coinfirmed even means unless you are writing with a New Jersey accent.

Where's this been confirmed? How can you confirm reports? You can choose to believe whatever you want given what's out there.

The timing of him doing that makes it look quite reactionary doesnt it? Not something that would have persisted. Look at his reaction to Nolan being sold, his initial comments before coming around to "well thats just how clubs work" hours later. He'd have been fine man, we've dealt with this very badly. You are ignoring what has been brewing since January wrt his new contract. You can't just pretend this is just a couple of twitters in isolation, this has been brewing for months and at the earliest opportunity Barton has tried to divide the dressing room. The only way to deal with it is to get him and any other resentful prick out of the club.

Especially since the reports coming out confirm that he's going to stay here to cause trouble only. Right from his initial sarcastic "welcome" to the arrival of Cabaye and now apparently targeting him for a tongue lashing his sabotage campaign should be apparent to even the most blinkered Ashley haters. Of course the cunt's being made to train alone, why would you allow him to spread his revenge inspired poison to the rest of the camp?

That's it keep your head up your arse while Joey gleefully wrecks the dressing room by ranting at the new players who have replaced his best mate Nolan. When he signs for Spurs you can sing his his name when he turns up at St James on the bench.

This basically. There were clues earlier on when Joey first started tweeting and before that as well, but I was prepared to believe Joey would knuckle down and give 100% in his final year here. That was obviously never his intention or his lying scumbag agent's either. The talk of a top four club is laughable. If he had one lined up he wouldn't be threatening to stay here I can promise you that much. He's just out to cause as much aggro as possible, that much is clear to anyone with an open mind.

In all honesty, Man Utd have got rid of plenty of players who haven't adhered to the club culture in the past and, as far as I can tell,, fans have generally supported this stance. Its more the anti-glazer protests. far more aggressive than ours Ashley can do anything to us. We cry for a week or two, then its all back to normal again. He knows this, he realised it after the Keegan stuff. It would be interesting to see how other sets of fans would react in the same situation. Rooney threatens to leave Man Utd and masked men are threatening him outside his house. I still havent a clue how Ashley even gets in the fuckin ground! Because what they did is pathetic and we have more pride and self control to rise above s*** like that ? Totally agree. Doesn't really help us though. Im just struggling to think of a situation where Ashley would be forced to leave. He's like a fuckin cockroach I'd say more like a barnacle, fecker just wont let go. I cant fathom why he just doesn't sell, all the stick he gets and yet no hint of selling, either he is trying but asking too much or just wont sell, our club has become his own little toy, sadly. Well he tried to sell and failed over a period of two years. I'm sure he regrets buying the club, but he came to a decision eventually that the uncertainty was more wearisome than the hassle of making a go of it. So he formed a long-term plan and has committed himself to it. That's where we're at now. He can't be comfortable with all the abuse, but he seems resolved to ignore it and plough on. I know we tried to sell, i just dont get why he didn't just leave it available for sale when he couldn't find a buyer last time, shows us he is still trying to get out, i dont buy the stability thing either, look where we are now. In order to sell you need a buyer. The club doesn't officially need to be up for sale for someone to come in and make a deal. Last time round the only taker was Barry Moat but when he applied for a loan and tried putting his holiday caravan up as security, Barclays politely declined the offer.

That's an awful lot of text to write without actually coming to any point or opinion. It still contained more logic than most of the other posts put together. Bit harsh, you've really been trying hard with yours. It's predictable behaviour when stumped to answer with reason to attack the poster personally as you can see with your posting style.

That's an awful lot of text to write without actually coming to any point or opinion. It still contained more logic than most of the other posts put together.

You're right they do have fuck all to moan about. I guess it's all just theoretical how other clubs would react - but I certainly don't think that we, as supporters of the club, have done our best to make Mike Ashley feel unwelcome. I think we could have a good season if we get the couple of players in we are talking about signing. However, if the mood turns ugly, which is the way many here seem to be advocating, then that makes relegation seem much more of a likelihood than it did last week. Maybe that would make some people happy as they would be vindicated. Would it get rid of Ashley? Would it fuck.