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Sell him. Can't see us doing so without getting someone in mind, but I cant be arsed with his inconsistencies.

Who's this Anthony martial fella then?

I think thats what steve black is there for.

not a great start with a sending off in the second game mind.

think we'll be 10th/11th, personally, achieving slow progress on all fronts

Agree entirely, think we'll be well suited, hope I'm right.

Were you one of them? You're normally a very good poster but I don't understand what you're trying to say there like. How does us shutting up shop while getting beat last week relate to today's result? Ok, I'll try to explain a bit better. The most important part of this is the big picture. In the dark days of Pardew one of the main things that kept the argument raging was that some people analysed every game in isolation, which I thought was a big mistake. It was short term thinking that lead Pardew to set up the team on a game by game basis, and analysing the way the team played in isolation for 90 minutes at a time every week told us little about what was actually going on at the club. Hence, a lot of very confused views about Pardew, and some people taking an age to work out he was awful. It's worth pointing out here that the three people who have picked me up on my post Man U post are people I've largely agreed with in the past, especially on Pardew, which is why I think this is a discussion worth having. With all this in mind, last week we didn't play particularly well and suffered from some extremely stupid play by Janmaat. We were away to a good team in form and the game was gone. McClaren decided to shut up shop and got pelters from plenty of people on here. At the time, I thought that was a totally understandable decision, and one that might go some way to increasing a fragile team spirit if we could see out the game without conceding again. What McClaren did worked. Given that the team are being praised for being disciplined in defence, showing team spirit and togetherness in yesterday's game......it seems fairly straightforward to me that the decision McClaren took last week to dig in and not concede any more in a game we'd already lost...was a reasonable one, and went some way to fostering the team spirit and resolve to fight for each other that won us an impressive point at Old Trafford. Back to the big picture, and the reason I was questioning the criticism of McClaren during and after the Swansea game. I think the criticism was harsh and indicative of a mindset that is a little too anxious to get on the managers back. I think some people need to fully let Pardew go and give the new manager a chance to prove whether he's up to it or not, because I think it's reasonable to suggest it could go either way. bang on.

back 4 needs to stay what it will be vs arsenal imo, they need as much time together as possible.

yep. his kicking is still fucking awful though.

mackems 1-1

Obertan is baffling. Has to be the last of him today, surely? Agree with whole post.

We also nearly lost it. I thought it was wrong to bring Tiote on for anybody other than Colback as we just invited them onto us more than we had and we could have easily came away with nothing. In the end it worked so I don't want to criticise him for it, I still didn't agree and have said so.

Did he think bringing Tiote on was going to win us the game? We nearly did, tbf!

You really do love the ginger rosy cheeked sod don't you? As I said though, he had the opportunity to replace his attacking winger with another attacking winger with fresh legs but opted to bring on a 3rd central midfielder, and a defensive one at that. This at a time we needed a goal. i agree it was cowardly in a sense and i'd have gone for aarons but tbf he's trying to build something in his 3rd game in charge and coming away with a point from OT is a good result if we'd conceded then aye, shot with s***, but apparently he's not pardew if we'd brought aarons on and we'd conceded he'd have been shot with s*** for not closing the game off. cant win. cracking point from a far more organised and resilient side, starts and ends there for me. And he'd have been a hero if Aarons scored the winner, it's all hypothetical. It would have been far worse had we conceded due to sitting back and allowing Man Utd the ball though. personally can't argue with much except f***ing obertan, he got it right and we take a point when this period of dodgy games is over though i will :lol:or he can f*** himself aye. this taking points at unbelievably difficult places has to f*** clean off. f*** you on about? why are people acting like in game decisions don't matter? at 60 minutes in the thread we were screaming for change and he waited when they were all over us, when he put tiote on they were all over us and had no attacking outlet he chose to go more defensive and got away with it, it's not such a ludicrous proposition to suggest he should have attacked regardless of how it turned out read my post, i should have highlighted the point i was talking about, but it isn't that hard to understand what I mean tbh. your point appears to be we got a point so it's all ok? perhaps i'm misreading it my point is we got a great point, which nobody saw coming, to call him cowardly as f*** for protecting that point is negativity in the extreme. He'd have got f***ing pelters if he'd gone for the game and got beat. I take the 'hypothetical' point made, so lets focus on the facts instead, he got a great point. We looked very very well organised, for the first time in god knows how long. We'll be here all day if we keep going on about it though, so lets agree to disagree. agreed, was a class point mind...did not expect it, he's now only 1 point away from where he should be if he hadn't made such f***ing terrible personnel decisions in the first two games that's it, lets go again...... f***ing kidding me? he got so much wrong in the first 2 games it's actually sad I am aye.

well I certainly didn't. what was your prediction out of interest? I had a 10er on us to win. why when our manager is so shit?

You really do love the ginger rosy cheeked sod don't you? As I said though, he had the opportunity to replace his attacking winger with another attacking winger with fresh legs but opted to bring on a 3rd central midfielder, and a defensive one at that. This at a time we needed a goal. i agree it was cowardly in a sense and i'd have gone for aarons but tbf he's trying to build something in his 3rd game in charge and coming away with a point from OT is a good result if we'd conceded then aye, shot with s***, but apparently he's not pardew if we'd brought aarons on and we'd conceded he'd have been shot with s*** for not closing the game off. cant win. cracking point from a far more organised and resilient side, starts and ends there for me. And he'd have been a hero if Aarons scored the winner, it's all hypothetical. It would have been far worse had we conceded due to sitting back and allowing Man Utd the ball though. personally can't argue with much except f***ing obertan, he got it right and we take a point when this period of dodgy games is over though i will :lol:or he can f*** himself aye. this taking points at unbelievably difficult places has to f*** clean off. f*** you on about? why are people acting like in game decisions don't matter? at 60 minutes in the thread we were screaming for change and he waited when they were all over us, when he put tiote on they were all over us and had no attacking outlet he chose to go more defensive and got away with it, it's not such a ludicrous proposition to suggest he should have attacked regardless of how it turned out read my post, i should have highlighted the point i was talking about, but it isn't that hard to understand what I mean tbh. your point appears to be we got a point so it's all ok? perhaps i'm misreading it my point is we got a great point, which nobody saw coming, to call him cowardly as f*** for protecting that point is negativity in the extreme. He'd have got f***ing pelters if he'd gone for the game and got beat. I take the 'hypothetical' point made, so lets focus on the facts instead, he got a great point. We looked very very well organised, for the first time in god knows how long. We'll be here all day if we keep going on about it though, so lets agree to disagree. agreed, was a class point mind...did not expect it, he's now only 1 point away from where he should be if he hadn't made such f***ing terrible personnel decisions in the first two games that's it, lets go again......

well I certainly didn't. what was your prediction out of interest?

class today.

You really do love the ginger rosy cheeked sod don't you? As I said though, he had the opportunity to replace his attacking winger with another attacking winger with fresh legs but opted to bring on a 3rd central midfielder, and a defensive one at that. This at a time we needed a goal. i agree it was cowardly in a sense and i'd have gone for aarons but tbf he's trying to build something in his 3rd game in charge and coming away with a point from OT is a good result if we'd conceded then aye, shot with s***, but apparently he's not pardew if we'd brought aarons on and we'd conceded he'd have been shot with s*** for not closing the game off. cant win. cracking point from a far more organised and resilient side, starts and ends there for me. And he'd have been a hero if Aarons scored the winner, it's all hypothetical. It would have been far worse had we conceded due to sitting back and allowing Man Utd the ball though. personally can't argue with much except f***ing obertan, he got it right and we take a point when this period of dodgy games is over though i will :lol:or he can f*** himself aye. this taking points at unbelievably difficult places has to f*** clean off. f*** you on about? why are people acting like in game decisions don't matter? at 60 minutes in the thread we were screaming for change and he waited when they were all over us, when he put tiote on they were all over us and had no attacking outlet he chose to go more defensive and got away with it, it's not such a ludicrous proposition to suggest he should have attacked regardless of how it turned out read my post, i should have highlighted the point i was talking about, but it isn't that hard to understand what I mean tbh. your point appears to be we got a point so it's all ok? perhaps i'm misreading it my point is we got a great point, which nobody saw coming, to call him cowardly as fuck for protecting that point is negativity in the extreme. He'd have got fucking pelters if he'd gone for the game and got beat. I take the 'hypothetical' point made, so lets focus on the facts instead, he got a great point. We looked very very well organised, for the first time in god knows how long. We'll be here all day if we keep going on about it though, so lets agree to disagree.

class today, so clever.

nowt worse than a player who's thick, shit and heartless. Mcclaren must see something I don't to keep picking him, he's fucking woeful.

You really do love the ginger rosy cheeked sod don't you? As I said though, he had the opportunity to replace his attacking winger with another attacking winger with fresh legs but opted to bring on a 3rd central midfielder, and a defensive one at that. This at a time we needed a goal. i agree it was cowardly in a sense and i'd have gone for aarons but tbf he's trying to build something in his 3rd game in charge and coming away with a point from OT is a good result if we'd conceded then aye, shot with s***, but apparently he's not pardew if we'd brought aarons on and we'd conceded he'd have been shot with s*** for not closing the game off. cant win. cracking point from a far more organised and resilient side, starts and ends there for me. And he'd have been a hero if Aarons scored the winner, it's all hypothetical. It would have been far worse had we conceded due to sitting back and allowing Man Utd the ball though. personally can't argue with much except f***ing obertan, he got it right and we take a point when this period of dodgy games is over though i will :lol:or he can f*** himself aye. this taking points at unbelievably difficult places has to f*** clean off. f*** you on about? why are people acting like in game decisions don't matter? at 60 minutes in the thread we were screaming for change and he waited when they were all over us, when he put tiote on they were all over us and had no attacking outlet he chose to go more defensive and got away with it, it's not such a ludicrous proposition to suggest he should have attacked regardless of how it turned out read my post, i should have highlighted the point i was talking about, but it isn't that hard to understand what I mean tbh.

at old trafford? p*ss off man! whatever man, I completly disagree with your attitude. The game was very winnable imo. i completely disagree with yours, so lets agree to disagree.

You really do love the ginger rosy cheeked sod don't you? As I said though, he had the opportunity to replace his attacking winger with another attacking winger with fresh legs but opted to bring on a 3rd central midfielder, and a defensive one at that. This at a time we needed a goal. i agree it was cowardly in a sense and i'd have gone for aarons but tbf he's trying to build something in his 3rd game in charge and coming away with a point from OT is a good result if we'd conceded then aye, shot with s***, but apparently he's not pardew if we'd brought aarons on and we'd conceded he'd have been shot with s*** for not closing the game off. cant win. cracking point from a far more organised and resilient side, starts and ends there for me. And he'd have been a hero if Aarons scored the winner, it's all hypothetical. It would have been far worse had we conceded due to sitting back and allowing Man Utd the ball though. you're right, it is all hypothetical, because he got us a cracking point. Christ. i feel exactly the same!

You really do love the ginger rosy cheeked sod don't you? As I said though, he had the opportunity to replace his attacking winger with another attacking winger with fresh legs but opted to bring on a 3rd central midfielder, and a defensive one at that. This at a time we needed a goal. i agree it was cowardly in a sense and i'd have gone for aarons but tbf he's trying to build something in his 3rd game in charge and coming away with a point from OT is a good result if we'd conceded then aye, shot with s***, but apparently he's not pardew if we'd brought aarons on and we'd conceded he'd have been shot with s*** for not closing the game off. cant win. cracking point from a far more organised and resilient side, starts and ends there for me. And he'd have been a hero if Aarons scored the winner, it's all hypothetical. It would have been far worse had we conceded due to sitting back and allowing Man Utd the ball though. personally can't argue with much except f***ing obertan, he got it right and we take a point when this period of dodgy games is over though i will :lol:or he can f*** himself aye. this taking points at unbelievably difficult places has to fuck clean off.