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Dunno if that's part of the booing culture like. Our fans have booed James Milner for literally no reason whatsoever other than the fact that he no longer played for us, it's daft. Michael Owen etc, aye fair enough, but Milner whether you liked him or not always put in his all and was sometimes decent. Booing someone like that by default does my head in. They hated Sam Allardyce because of his ugly, long ball football, despite him being successful there. Stoke fans hate Pulis because of his ugly, long ball football, despite him being successful there. Fans just hate ugly, long ball football. You're wrong on Allardyce mind, I live in Bolton, they fucking love him, they hated him because he left.

is that de boer out for you then? genuine question btw, not being an arse. i sound like im beating mcclarens drum, im not. I can think of many i'd have ahead of him, I dont think he's the second coming, I just dont think he's Alex Mccleish either. Yeah, it is. Although oddly, De Boer's inexperience in the league works in his favour in a way in that he could be good, whereas we know McClaren hasn't been any good. It's an odd one. I wouldn't want McClaren, but so long as it's an appointment that's conceivably made on merit then sobeit, I'll take it on what I see and the information that's available to us based on his previous experience.

you're kidding right? you discount mcclaren like he's the worst thing in the world but 'dont know what to make of rosler'. based on what exactly?

fucking rosler man, jesus.

is that de boer out for you then? genuine question btw, not being an arse. i sound like im beating mcclarens drum, im not. I can think of many i'd have ahead of him, I dont think he's the second coming, I just dont think he's Alex Mccleish either.

McClaren has a history of failure in his career and I don't want another manager like that. He has a league title under his belt So did Dalglish in a better league. At Middlesbrough he was hated by the fans Ran out of the England job failing to even qualify for Euro 2008 Failed at Wolfsburg Failed at Forest But aye he'll be fine here. I get what you are saying….but it's about the best of a bunch. Out of Sherwood, Carver, McCoist, etc….I'd have McCLaren. Sadly the likes of De Boer, Laudrup, even Tuchel are pie in the sky. IMO we'd be lucky to get McClaren. Sherwood is the best of that lot. He is a positive, attacking manager and he gained a very decent points total at Spurs. Certainly not an inspiring choice but he's also not got a proven record of failure in his career yet. eh? so you'd have sherwood over mccalren for his 5 months at spurs? Yes though I wouldn't be going near either. i dont think anybody would in an ideal world tbf. I'm still in the 'well im glad he's not pardew' phase, not sure it'll ever wear off tbh! I have my heart set on a foreign manager. There isn't a single English option that gets me excited and I don't do 'Well he's the least worst I guess'. I just can't, sorry. no need to apologise! who would you go for ? De Boer or Galtier preferably. Tuchel whilst exciting still seems pie in the sky to me. de boer would be everyone's choice i think (ignoring the fact that he's only done it in the dutch league, which seems ot be discounted for mccalren ).

i'd take the 'fond memories' btw. Im fucking short of them in our recent past, personally.

McClaren has a history of failure in his career and I don't want another manager like that. He has a league title under his belt So did Dalglish in a better league. At Middlesbrough he was hated by the fans Ran out of the England job failing to even qualify for Euro 2008 Failed at Wolfsburg Failed at Forest But aye he'll be fine here. I get what you are saying….but it's about the best of a bunch. Out of Sherwood, Carver, McCoist, etc….I'd have McCLaren. Sadly the likes of De Boer, Laudrup, even Tuchel are pie in the sky. IMO we'd be lucky to get McClaren. Sherwood is the best of that lot. He is a positive, attacking manager and he gained a very decent points total at Spurs. Certainly not an inspiring choice but he's also not got a proven record of failure in his career yet. eh? so you'd have sherwood over mccalren for his 5 months at spurs? Yes though I wouldn't be going near either. i dont think anybody would in an ideal world tbf. I'm still in the 'well im glad he's not pardew' phase, not sure it'll ever wear off tbh! I have my heart set on a foreign manager. There isn't a single English option that gets me excited and I don't do 'Well he's the least worst I guess'. I just can't, sorry. no need to apologise! who would you go for ?

probably fair comment.

Might want to speak to some derby fans then, they reckon its mint. League below us and the Dutch League. We played relatively good football at the end of the season in the Championship, we all know how shoddy the quality was down there. I'd have to see him doing the same at this level for it to be anything other than a sidenote. Of course managers can improve though, that's what they're meant to do. I wont expect to see you mention Eddie Howe as a good option then?

McClaren has a history of failure in his career and I don't want another manager like that. He has a league title under his belt So did Dalglish in a better league. At Middlesbrough he was hated by the fans Ran out of the England job failing to even qualify for Euro 2008 Failed at Wolfsburg Failed at Forest But aye he'll be fine here. I get what you are saying….but it's about the best of a bunch. Out of Sherwood, Carver, McCoist, etc….I'd have McCLaren. Sadly the likes of De Boer, Laudrup, even Tuchel are pie in the sky. IMO we'd be lucky to get McClaren. Sherwood is the best of that lot. He is a positive, attacking manager and he gained a very decent points total at Spurs. Certainly not an inspiring choice but he's also not got a proven record of failure in his career yet. eh? so you'd have sherwood over mccalren for his 5 months at spurs? Yes though I wouldn't be going near either. i dont think anybody would in an ideal world tbf. I'm still in the 'well im glad he's not pardew' phase, not sure it'll ever wear off tbh!

McClaren has a history of failure in his career and I don't want another manager like that. He has a league title under his belt So did Dalglish in a better league. At Middlesbrough he was hated by the fans Ran out of the England job failing to even qualify for Euro 2008 Failed at Wolfsburg Failed at Forest But aye he'll be fine here. I get what you are saying….but it's about the best of a bunch. Out of Sherwood, Carver, McCoist, etc….I'd have McCLaren. Sadly the likes of De Boer, Laudrup, even Tuchel are pie in the sky. IMO we'd be lucky to get McClaren. Sherwood is the best of that lot. He is a positive, attacking manager and he gained a very decent points total at Spurs. Certainly not an inspiring choice but he's also not got a proven record of failure in his career yet. eh? so you'd have sherwood over mccalren for his 5 months at spurs?

Might want to speak to some derby fans then, they reckon its mint.

mcclaren gave boro the greatest period in their history tbf. McCleish gave Birmingham their greatest period too. Sign him up. he didnt though, did he? he won the cup, granted,but im sure he relegated them too? hardly greatest ever period. mcclaren had boro in europe, twice (i think), he even got them to the final man. It's relative. Two s**** clubs had a bit of success. Both s**** managers who have failed most of their careers with the odd blip of success. guess it depends what you call an odd blip. I wouldnt call the only league title in a clubs history (twente), the only cup in a clubs history (boro), european final etc, an 'odd blip'. his failings are as worthy as the 'odd blip' title if that is the case. like i say, his career is pretty much 50/50. If boro fans thought he played shit football, derby fans rave about how good it is under him. So which do you take?

his career is 50/50, theres no doubt about it. its a good job followed by a bad one pretty much. sadly, he's due a bad one next.........

you could say that about any amount of cup runs though, thats what cups are about, a bit of luck, if you look at the last 4 english champs league wins, theyve all had strokes of huge luck on the way.

also, was sherwood genuinely hounded out of spurs? if so, why? i thought he did ok?

derby fans fucking love him. given he won twente their first ever title, i'd imagine he's liked there as well.

i wouldnt know tbh, i dont know any boro fans to discuss it with. to be hated for creating the best few years in their history would seem harsh to me however, but im cautios of 'outside looking in', hate when poeple do it to us, so i'll take your (their) word on it.

mcclaren gave boro the greatest period in their history tbf. McCleish gave Birmingham their greatest period too. Sign him up. he didnt though, did he? he won the cup, granted,but im sure he relegated them too? hardly greatest ever period. mcclaren had boro in europe, twice (i think), he even got them to the final man. It's relative. Two s**** clubs had a bit of success. Both s**** managers who have failed most of their careers with the odd blip of success. i'd call his boro achievements a bit more than 'a bit of success' tbh, what he did there was pretty impressive. he succeeded at boro, twente and so far derby. failed at wolfsburg, forest and england. so, as i say, he's a mixed bag. )a mixed bag i'd take out of the english options).

mcclaren gave boro the greatest period in their history tbf. McCleish gave Birmingham their greatest period too. Sign him up. he didnt though, did he? he won the cup, granted,but im sure he relegated them too? hardly greatest ever period. mcclaren had boro in europe, twice (i think), he even got them to the final man. i'm also sure he's one of the only managers to win the dutch leageu with a club outside of their top 3 or 4. mcclaren is mixed bag, i'll give you that, but to use his boro tenure as an example of how bad he is is just daft imo, he was a roaring success at that club.

mcclaren gave boro the greatest period in their history tbf.

As already been said, if we're going English, he's my choice. Seems a good bloke I think.

I'd take Mcclaren, happily.

probably already been said, but this next managerial move will show ashleys intentions for us, as in, what he plans to do with the club in the next two years or so. I think he may stick with Carver until summer and then sell us. This is based on absolutely nowt by the way!