Stevie

its because...WE HATE COCKNEYS You quoted youeself you brainless t***. Get the c*** banned. me banned? No he called you a brainless twat, I've seen people banned for less, and he's one I'd be delighted to be shot of on here.

its because...WE HATE COCKNEYS You quoted youeself you brainless t***. Get the cunt banned.

There's nothing wrong with banter, but banter becomes shit, when the people you're debating with are stupifyingly dense, and don't have a clue about football. Kingdawson doesn't make this board anymore interesting, I really don't know why he comes on this board. Him coming on here talking about football is like me going on a knitting site, I would have nothing say, and what I did say would be based on no knowledge and irrelevant to every other person on that board.

woodgates a better defender. but carvalhios probly better going forward. The only one in the world who even begins to come close to a fully fit Woodgate is Cannavaro.

Am I the only person to spot the irony in someone called 'kingdawson' claiming Woodgate is overrated. Dawson, the only man Shearer outpaced in his last two seasons at the club. Wow you really are slow arent you. Put tottenham's first choice centrebacks together and what do you get?. Being as you seem as slow as f*** ill do the equation for you, ledley KING + Michael DAWSON = KINGDAWSON You're a tragedy of our time, and a product of Rupert Murdoch's SKY bonanza coupled with the succesful Euro 96 bid. I pity you and people like you who genuinely do not have a clue about life or football. Imagine Dawson playing for Real Madrid 4fs.

Well by that statement you could say Sunderland's history pisses on Spurs as they've won 3 times more titles, with the exception Spurs had won more Cups.

Your list is the same as mine other than I'd have Southampton in front of Blackburn. For your trophy table you've used that pathetic calculation site which has Man City and Sunderland above us even though we've won more trophies. In the true list we're 7th which is still a disgrace.

Norwich have been up there in the last 15 years, and they thrashed Bayern Munich no less in europe. And with crouds of 25,000 in the championship im sure they could pull in 30,000 in the premiership. Exactly! Carrow Road > Whatever bike shed ipswich use Complete pish. Portman Road is a fucking good ground.

It looks like a minge.

Any clubs who have been champions since 1960 surely deserve to be on that list. Off the top of me heed Ipswich Tottenham Everton Man Utd Liverpool Arsenal Leeds Derby Man City Nottingham Forest Aston Villa Blackburn Rovers Chelsea 13 names, and when you scrutinise those names, what a disgrace it is that we're not amongst them.

They were NEVER going to win it though. They didn't have the players, but it was a gallant effort. Their last 7 or 8 games were against the top teams and they fucked them up. The difference is Ipswich really could've won the league on more than one occasion under Robson, they certainly had the players, and besides they were champions in 1961. 92/93 was the closest they ever got Norwich, but I seem to remember they led at christmas 88-90ish, but even then they were getting 15,000 when the ground held 23,000

Oh dear. Portsmouth ahead of Sheffield Wednesday best I say nothing. Ipswich are bigger club than Norwich by any measure. They've seriously competed for the title in the last 25 years, slightly bigger fanbase, definite bigger away support, have been Champions of England, would get 30,000 every week in the Premiership, have a European Trophy.

Thought it was 60,000. Besides, it's easy to go and follow a succesful club in an once in a lifetime European final is it not. Certainly easier doing that than following the side when they were doing shit.

The way I done mine was balanced over potential, history, and fan base.

hoe the f*** do you measure passion? People standing up and clapping behind the goal, like they've seen the final scene of Les Miserables on Shaftesbury Avenue, after a last minute equaliser against your nearest enemy, that's a good measure of passionless nobheads....i.e. the other Saturday. you're hilarious . Try answering the question seriously rather then trying to be a comedian or dont bother asking me to answer any of your pathetic questions. I ask the questions. I ask you again, which English club who get more than 30,000 have less passionate fans than Tottenham? You can't answer it can you hehehehe

1 Man Utd 2 Liverpool 3 Newcastle 4 Arsenal 5 Everton 6 Chelsea 7 Leeds 8 Sunderland 9 Manchester City 10 Tottenham 11 West Ham 12 Aston Villa 13 Nottingham Forest 14 Sheffield Wednesday 15 Wolves 16 West Brom 17 Sheffield United 18 Derby 19 Ipswich 20 Southampton mine is in order but I'm telling you in order of what

hoe the f*** do you measure passion? People standing up and clapping behind the goal, like they've seen the final scene of Les Miserables on Shaftesbury Avenue, after a last minute equaliser against your nearest enemy, that's a good measure of passionless nobheads....i.e. the other Saturday.

That's because Arsenal have never really cared about Spurs for the past umpteen years as they've been so insignificant. They care far more about their games with Man Utd. pure rubbish tbh. Any true Gooner will tell you that the North London derby is the game they all get excited to and want to win the most. Never really cared about us?? like last season you mean? I do agree if you speak to a lot of Arsenal fans they think Spurs fans are c***s, but for a few years I think they hated Man Utd more. However, both Spurs and Arsenal fans are amongst the least passionate in British football, which basically equates to a piss poor derby atmosphere. agreed that arse fans are boring c***s hehe and most of your fans are from the same areas which the Arsenal fans are from. Tell me a less passionate group of fans in England than Spurs, of all the clubs who get over 30,000. Id say Arsenal are worse than Spurs fans just. Bunch of posh twats who sit on their hands the ones i know. Spurs not much better. Both s****. When you meet someone for the first time you know in seconds if they're a c*** or not, my first time at WHL in 1993, made me realise how pathetic they are. That was when "The Shelf" was there, there famous singing end, fuckin s****. "We are Totnum soupah Totnum we are Totnum from the lyyyne" wanks. Remember how s*** they were in the Semi at Old Trafford? Not a patch on the blades the year before. Oh ok so you measure passion on the quality of chants the club has. If so our away fans are second to none tbh. Your away fans pmsl In fairness though all the London clubs away supports are shit apart from West Ham now and again. You take a reduced allocation every year, sing "cam on you spurs" for 30 seconds, then that's it, intermitent half hearted "oww when da spurs gowww marchin in", I pity you to be honest. The amount of fuckin women in your support as well, it must be 40% at least, absolutely pathetic.

Kingdawson, I'm still waiting for your reply. I'll ask you again, of the clubs in England who generally get 30,000 or more, who has less passionate fans than Tottenham.

You'll get cunts saying "whereth the thenth competithon there like?" but there's so many shit clubs in the Premiership now. Mind there was plenty in the 80's Oxford, Luton, Notts County, Swansea etc...

Absolutely, along with about eight other clubs. Get Leeds, Forest, The Mackems and Sheff Wed back in. :thup: I'm very disappointed to see Leeds about to go down. Real football club. Aye very true, real clubs with real supporters even if Leeds fans are a bunch of c***s on the whole. Always a good game when we play Leeds usually as well with a cracking atmosphere. Get Fulham,Wigan, Charlton and other such s*** clubs back down the leagues If you were to put 20 clubs who you'd like to see in the Premiership based on stature, it's a very hard question to answer if even Boro would be in that 20 or not.

That's because Arsenal have never really cared about Spurs for the past umpteen years as they've been so insignificant. They care far more about their games with Man Utd. pure rubbish tbh. Any true Gooner will tell you that the North London derby is the game they all get excited to and want to win the most. Never really cared about us?? like last season you mean? I do agree if you speak to a lot of Arsenal fans they think Spurs fans are c***s, but for a few years I think they hated Man Utd more. However, both Spurs and Arsenal fans are amongst the least passionate in British football, which basically equates to a piss poor derby atmosphere. agreed that arse fans are boring c***s hehe and most of your fans are from the same areas which the Arsenal fans are from. Tell me a less passionate group of fans in England than Spurs, of all the clubs who get over 30,000. Id say Arsenal are worse than Spurs fans just. Bunch of posh twats who sit on their hands the ones i know. Spurs not much better. Both s****. When you meet someone for the first time you know in seconds if they're a c*** or not, my first time at WHL in 1993, made me realise how pathetic they are. That was when "The Shelf" was there, there famous singing end, fuckin s****. "We are Totnum soupah Totnum we are Totnum from the lyyyne" wanks. Remember how s*** they were in the Semi at Old Trafford? Not a patch on the blades the year before.

Exactly, but thick c***s can't see that. Are you retarded?. Madras's comments neither agree nor disagree with your original post so why the hell are you going on as if he's backing you up?. The last sentence you tool "has been touched onin another thread something that stretches way beyond football."

Barca - Real is way more than a derby. Way bigger than anything we have in England, its about recent politics, oppression of a people, etc.etc. Celtic - Rangers is biggest in Britain Liverpool - Man U in England Us - Mackems second Boca - River worldwide Im guessing due to poor stadiums and lax security quite a few of the other S.American derbies get a bit tasty. Feyenoord - Ajax does get a bit tasty at times. Van Persie got attacked by Ajax fans at a reserve match when at Feyenoord which is why he moved to England i remember reading somewhere. They're bigger clubs than Newcastle and Sunderland, Man Utd always will be probably, but I disagree. It is intense Man Utd v Liverpool, and it's the biggest fixture in English football, but not the most intense derby. How many times do you see Man Utd fans in their end at Anfield, nearly every fuckin season. There'd be near deaths at the SOS, SJP, fuck the directors box. I remember in the early 90's when there used to be toon in the Clock Stand Paddock, we'd score and it would look like something off Gangs of New York for aboot 15 minutes, plenty on here will remember those scenes.

Aye they hate each other, but I get the impression Burnley fans are completely mental, and the place itself is one big Scotswood (nee offence HTT), while Blackburn fans seem completely reserved from my experience of the place, I'm hearing the Hovis tune in my head, but I'm sure they could turn nasty on derby day all the same. Bradford v Huddersfield is very rarely mentioned, but in terms of deaths down the years at those fixtures I think it leads the way, bad thing that mind.