Stevie

Utter pish

Jeff Winter is a fat smoggie cunt. http://www.givemefootball.com/images/jeff_winter_bi.jpg

I don't agree at all that we were a far better team in 01/02. Statistically there was only two points in it, and 02/03 we were COMFORTABLY better than Chelsea and Liverpool. I think that season, the game when we won 0-3 at Leeds was the most we've ever dominated a game of top flight football away from home. It could've been 15.

why couldn't we have won it? Have we never beaten Everton away or Man Utd at home like?

We could've won it in 01/02 and 02/03. I mind we beat the mackems in late February 1-0 with a Dabizas headerm and monkey come out and said "Everyones got to be Man Utd, but still they're a good side, and they have a great chance, a fucking great chance." Then we played Arsenal in the crunch game, if we'd won they'd have dropped to second but we were 0-2 down after only about 20 minutes and that was that, and Arsenal went on to win every game till the end of the season. 02/03 our chance was even better. I don't agree with whoever said we blew it against Arsenal. I think Man Utd and Arsenal had 64 points and we had 61 with 7 games left after we beat Blackburn 5-1 and apart from Man Utd at home, we had the easiest run in of the three. We fucked it up at Everton when Bernard got tackled knee high off Gravesen, but it still could've been done had we not got stuffed 6-2 of Man Utd. Our last five games after that were piss easy on paper Fulham, Villa, SMB, Birmingham and WBA. Had we beaten Man Utd and Everton I'm sure we'd have done it.

No it's Luis Fernandez.

So I am a Boro fan, not a Man Utd fan? I'll find the thread tomorrow. It was the same thread you were kicking off over the Cleveland Sex Abuse jibes, from Testa Mora amongst other.

Why are you telling this to me? Do you have any problem with Middlesbrough? If this is the case why relate it to me as what's my relation to Middlesbrough? Why do you persist with this pathetic myth that you're a toon fan. You announced to me the day before last years UEFA Cup Final you were a Boro fan, then forgot you had let the cat out the bag. Clearly NE5 picked up on it too.

I seem to remember a typical class poacher goal from Michael Chopra who has just been introduced! EIOEIOEIOEIO "Slaven wraps it up for Middlesbrough" ""

You mean them raping us? With Keane as their manager and Roeder as ours this is the likelier scenario. Sunderland normally get a result against yous, I seem to remember a nice free kick from Arca last time they were up.

Good motivators can get 50% extra from players. Keegan did it with the likes of Steve Howey and Stevie Watson. He was always talking in positive terms, very rarely you heard negative words, and Keane seems to be similar in that respect. I'll give anyone 2/1 now on the mackems to get relegated next season. Contrast those words with "I'm a positive person......injuries we've had this season are the worst I've ever known....we're going to Alkmaar for a draw........there's not a bottomless pit of money at the club....."

Every need. If someone tries to embarrass you in the street, would you let them get away with it. There is no doubt he was being cheeky, and in this instance, his point, you know FINE WELL nothing could be further than the truth. So just ban me again, in your admin forum thing, I'm not arsed, I'll just go back to Toontastic. pre-1992 can't believe the audacity of him saying that.

Stuck rotting at Everton? Everton were one of the top clubs in England & Europe at the time. He scored 38 goals in 52 games for the club. I wouldn't call that rotting away. It's easy to criticise him because he never did much outside the box and say he relied on service but when you're such a phenomenal goalscorer you don't need to do anything else and when you're playing for a top team you don't have to worry about the service being provided. Throughout history there have always been players of that ilk and they always play for the top clubs. That's not a coincidence. It's not like he was found out at Barca either. He was one of their best players, had a great goal scoring record and won trophies. Same story when he came back to England with Spurs. I think you've got a VERY warped view on Lineker. Firstly I'm not rubbishing Everton as a club or their achievements in the mid 80's, but let's face it in 1986 because of what THEY did in Brussels, English football was on it's arse. People were even choosing to sign for Rangers over your own club because the league was becoming stale, during the course of the 5 year ban, fantastic players at their peak never got the opportunity to play in Europe because of those bastards, and yes I include Beardsley and John Barnes in that. The likes of Trevor Steven had to go to other countries. Our football fell years behind. Look at how well English football has adapted to a foreign approach. From 1985-1990, there was no learning curve, we were stuck and yes I use the term "rotting away", because that's what we were. He wasn't found at Barca, you're right. Spanish football wasn't what it is today though, yes it was a good league, but in Lineker's first season he played in a Barca team which lost in the Nou Camp to wait for it....DUNDEE UNITED. I'm of the age where I can remember all football from 1984 to now vividly. Statisticians can look back at Lineker's record favourably, but his sharpness in the box was all he had, and his sense of positioning. They're two things that are almost unteachable, but I'm sorry like I'm sure Lineker himself would admit, he wasn't as good an all round footballer as Alan Shearer. See when he got the hepatitis, he lost a lot of pace, it was around the Euro 88 time, and while his record after then was still decent he was never the same again but he did get a lot back after his recovery and move back to England. He knew it was right to retire at 32 as well, because his pace was going all the time, and like with Michael Owen, and Bellamy, no pace = no good, Shearer on the other hand lost his pace after he f***** his knee at Goodison, yet still he went on to score another 150 goals for the toon. My view of Lineker isn't warped, I'm going off him as a player, not statistical analysis of his goalscoring record. He was a good striker, very much in the Pippo Inzaghi mould, but he would never be in my top 10 English players of the last 25 years. All I'm going to say is, ye fuckin cheeky prick. No one on this board writes about pre-1992 more than me on this board, even NE5 who is over 40, so don't patronise me ya daft c***.

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Disappointing line up to be honest Look from 94 onwards 1994 USA 1996 England 1998 France 2000 Holland/Belgium We were spoilt to be honest. Definitely going to Austria, but I don't fancy Brazil or South Africa at all. Poland and Ukraine, I suppose I'm open minded, but at the minute they're two police/gangster states by all accounts.

I have to say I'd take Platt over Gerrard eight days a week. That's why aussies should stick to Rugby League That's a bit harsh Stevie! But maybe you're right, my being Australian makes me view English players differently than you - I think that any player with a modicum of talent is massively over-hyped, way above the reality of the situation. In my opinion Stevie G is one of those players, over-rated by an English press and public desperate to think they're still a force on the world stage. That's not to say he's the most over-rated English player going around - ahead of him on that list are the likes of Lampard, Ashley Cole, Lennon. I'd say he's in a similar bracket to Terry and Rooney - talented yes, world beater no... And as for Platt, what can I say, I loved the way he played, not in Scholes' class but close - again, in my opinion Steven Gerrard is the most gifted midfield player in the world bar none. Was just 'avin a larf about the RL.

Could've been written by Vic.

I think Lineker was nothing without Beardsley, nothing. He said the same himself, he was nothing other than a good moocher. Fair enough he scored a hattrick in "El Classico" but all his goals were tap ins, he'd never be above the likes of Barnes, Beardsley, Shearer etc... in my list. It wasn't just based on England performances. Goals aren't everything. David Platt got 27, Shearer got 30. So Platt was nearly as good a goalscorer as Shearer. Most of your arguments are based on Lineker's 48 England goals. Why are the best two English strikers of the last 50 years ALWAYS mentioned as being Jimmy Greaves and Alan Shearer. Why isn't Lineker mentioned? I'll tell you why because he was a good scorer, his positioning was second to none, but THAT IS ALL he had to his game. Once he got the hepatitis I knew he was basically finished, because without pace he was nothing. Put it this way anyone of us here could've scored his hattrick against Poland, anyone. Three tap ins created by Beardsley and Trevor Steven. If he hadn't have scored any that day England were going home, he doesn't get his move to Barcelona, and he ends up with 0 goals in the competition and stuck rotting at Everton. He was a lucky player.

I have to say I'd take Platt over Gerrard eight days a week. That's why aussies should stick to Rugby League He's top 25 but not top 10. Not everyone gets to play for Real Madrid.

Stick to wummery stick to not being able to afford the internet in his Leith highrise I told you before Stevie, you're s**** at this guessing game. As Leith has f*** all to do with me, you have obviously at one time or another in your seedy past been sold some very bad smack in a leith high rise, that's the only explanation for your fixation I can see tbh Mikey Forrester

He was good, but he never had anywhere near the class of a Gascoigne or a Hoddle.

I can't allow the likes of David Platt to be ahead of Waddle, I just can't. It's not necessarily what they did for England you know. The stats would tell you Platt was as good as any goalscoring midfielder we've ever had other than the Pig of Ashington, but he was efficient, nothing more. Waddle was the only English player to come in the top two for the European Player of The Year award in 20 years, and was voted Marseille's best ever player.

Stick to wummery stick to not being able to afford the internet in his Leith highrise

gerrard for sure You're kidding me on?

The thing is with Andy Cole, how many times did he play for England? 3? Le Tissier never won anything or played more than a few times for England. Also I can't put Owen in and leave Lineker out, he is the top scorer after all, but he doesn't merit a place in the top 10 for me, he admits himself he'd have been nothing for England without Peter. They're all good players MLT, GL etc... but who would you remove to put them in.