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Hysteria? (Ho ho)...I don't think it's even started yet. Chavez has intimated he is ready to supply the guns.

Does anyone know if Ashley is in the country?

Hysteria? (Ho ho)...I don't think it's even started yet.

There are no guarantees in life Lotus sweetie.

Lot of truth in that iyam. What is the norm on the continent may simply never catch on over here. And I'd be glad if it doesn't tbh. Benitez and Ramos are two examples of iirc who had problems with the system while working abroad. The managers role in the English game is unique and the managers relationship at a lot of clubs is deeper. Personally I see nothing wrong with that. This whole idea of 'coaches', DOF's, Executive Dir etc... and whatnot will never really catch on here.

Personally I don't think there's any comparison between Keegan and Souness. And aren't the problems you describe the same problems faced by all bar a handful of fashionable clubs? Incidentally I quite like the idea of the current set-up, but it has to work on all sides. If Keegan has the final say on who goes and comes, because he has to pick and prepare the team, would that be so bad? And if you don't trust the manager's judgement on players, maybe you should have picked a different manager? The comparison with Souness is only in regards to the stance both managers have taken. Souness wanted his own players and in the end Shepherd reluctantly caved in, and it cost us millions. Obviously Keegan is a lot better judge of a player, but the bottom line is if it goes wrong, Keegan won't be picking up the bill. Should he then be in a position to dictate incomings and outgoings? Turning down offers for Smith, £12m for Milner and handing Owen a massive contract....while these moves might make him popular in the dressing room, I'm not sure it's healthy from a financial perspective. I don't think any system is foolproof aginst bad signings tbh. You can just as easily say the same about Wise & co, what credentials do they have to dictate transfers? Wise especially. And the bottom line is, if it goes wrong on the pitch, they won't get the sack, Keegan will. If you're worried about a Souness type situation, don't give him 50m to spunk on players willy-nilly. As I said, I quite like the set-up. Wise & co scout, find players, make recommendations etc, all this seems sensible. Keegan has the final say on purchases and sales. That also seems sensible imo, as it's his team and he'll get the sack if they don't perform. I honestly believe Smith would be out as quick as flash if the squad was adequate, but it's not. I can also understand why he wanted to keep Milner, Barton and in particular Owen. We only got 2 players in at the end of the day. If you want a new style coach, you don't appoint an old style manager like Keegan imo. They have failed to properly man manage and communicate with Keegan and he must have felt he wasn't properly engaged in the only job he has ever been interested in.

This is the bunch of cronies who negotiatied the £12m fee for Milner yes? What a bunch of wasters... What's Keegan worth? You don't need to ask me, I was championing him when you were opening threads questioning Ashley's judgement in sacking Fat Sam and appointing a manager who had been out of the loop for so long. My point is, it's easy to dismiss Wise and Jiminez as 'cronies' but they have obviously been doing some useful work here. Let's keep things in perspective. I'm all for a bit of perspective man. (ho ho).

We will see.

This is the bunch of cronies who negotiatied the £12m fee for Milner yes? What a bunch of wasters... What's Keegan worth?

So, here we are. IMO in many ways Ashley is an unfit owner and it's not a debate about whether his heart is in the right place or money. IMO he's hired a bunch of cronies while neglecting his key asset Kevin Keegan.

Yup.

We've spent about 10m net. Whoever was bringing players in and it could be the tea lady by the looks of things just hasn't delivered. Players won't be available in Jan, so again we'll have to roll over to next summer.

the bigger joke? fans actually believing this drivel Yeah, people just get totally sucked in, even when they see the contradictions they still believe it, what will it take for people to stop swallowing every single thing they see on SSN or in the Sun? Sadly, I think we'll never find out. At times of war facts are the first casualty. Stop preaching Indi.

The players revolt is quite believable if you ask me. KK has an excellent relationship with then and they must be looking for assurances.

Ashley Out.

If that's true, then highly hypocritical of Keegan. If he knew what happened then, if should have told Ashley in January he wasn't happy with the situation, and if Ashley was still going to appoint Wise, he should have walked then. Isn't that a ridiculous over simplification?

Mainly involving driving around soho late at night.

Baggio is the expert on various exotic positions.

Bought anelka for city didnt he? And Distin iirc

That'd do for me. As someone said, why complicate matters by having a director of football in there? Just undermines the manager and gives the media easy stories. Unless he's doing something so amazingly difficult that Keegan can't handle (and come on, this is Dennis Wise we're talking about here), just give the power back to KK. Owner is Ashley. Chairman is ladies fanny lips. Manager is Keegan. Scouts are Jimenez and Vetere. Bang, sorted. It needs clear reporting lines, clear definitions of decision-making control, final sign-off on sales and purchases, agreed process on identification of potential transfers. Standard Operating Procedures basically, give me a week or two and i could put it together as a business process for them. You're too expensive Chezzer.

The first sentence is all you needed to post.

That'd do for me. As someone said, why complicate matters by having a director of football in there? Just undermines the manager and gives the media easy stories. Unless he's doing something so amazingly difficult that Keegan can't handle (and come on, this is Dennis Wise we're talking about here), just give the power back to KK. Owner is Ashley. Chairman is ladies fanny lips. Manager is Keegan. Scouts are Jimenez and Vetere. Bang, sorted. Get Beardo and Cox back.

Fingers crossed. I'm certainly not part of the Lynch Dennis Wise mob that's sprung up out of this. Since no one knows what actually happened. But if it takes Wise going to get the club back on course with KK as the boss, then I'm all for it. Agree that we can't blame anyone at this stage, too. As someone pointed out over there though, this would be a PR dream for Ashley, given that most of us never liked Wise anyway. Yup. In this scenario someone has to be thrown to the dogs.

Nice formation and a delightful use of smilies.