Parky

I'd get in for Defoe if he really was available. Good shot, pace and fair close control.

We don't want cheap remember.

He's getting worse than Gerrard.

Top 6 means I could give the odd one the benefit of the doubt. If it was top 4 then I couldn't with a clear conscience pick anyone. Charles N'Zogbia is the only player I think a top 4 side would like to get hold of and develop, he has more or less everything that he needs to work with and as I've said before he will be a full French int over the next 2/3 years. Liverpool and Arsenal would immediately benefit from Zoggy in the side. Players who we can work with and are a clear asset to a team competing for top 6 are: Given Beye Faye Enrique Zoggy Duff All the forwards have glaring shortcoming regardless of systems and our CM is adequate for a top 12 side as I've said elsewhere nothing more. Butt and Geremi or Smith/Emre would find it difficult to get a game in a top 10/12 PL side imo. We need an emergency input of 3/4 quality players and another3/4 goodish players to compete for top 6, which means we need to set down a marker and spend some cash.

Yup ... I remember that. I was gobsmacked because he had actually managed to create the space to let fly with a shot. It really is disturbing how limited he is at the moment. Sounds mental for someone with his record, but is it so unbelievable that he's a bit short of confidence at the moment? All the injuries, his team doing shite, the pressure of coming back firing - all must be weighing down on him. No making excuses for him, he just looks that way to me. Agree.

We can get 3 players for the best part of £50m as Souey proved. That was years ago, we were a champions league chasing side, in the UEFA cup. We could then, we can't now. we finished lower the season just before owen and luque signed than we did last season, champion's league chasing my arse. oh and we werent in the uefa the season luque and owen joined either. Aye, a poor season after Robson did so brilliantly, so that's when we really had to be blinded by the cash being flashed so Freddy had to suck Owens cock for him to come (even though he was a crock no-one wanted). Luque was one of the bung deals, must have been, because he was vastly overpriced, are you saying you want more of those 2 types of signing. just because a club is spending money doesnt mean the transfers have to be shit, as souness's were, i said they were done without sense earlier in the thread. the club needs to take more care of how it spends money, better scouting specifically, but it has to be spent all the same if we want to move forward substantially. not sure allardyce is the man i'd trust in the event of us having a lot of money, mind. Spot on. but there's only about 15 transfers ever that have been as big as £25M. Not one of those players would have considered Newcastle. I'm happy to give Allardyce a few quid to bring in quality. but the £100m total and £15m+ criteria Parky is suggesting is mental. He knows it but he's just having a great laugh at all the tits agreeing with him. See where he says something like "where will they all fit?" that's how you know, because when all the non-european clubs spend daft money on ever shitter players and they can't all break into the top 4, he knows they end up like Leeds. well i agree but dont think the 25m+ or 100m figures are entirely serious as you say. but i think we're in a pretty good position to spend some substantial bucks, reduced debt, more tv money, stadium mostly full, billionaire owner the reasons. there's some issues that might derail that, chairman who looks a bit too conservative, manager who might not be the best spotter of talent or handler of money, lack of established scouting network, not having the training or support (or manager?) to get best out of players once they arrive at the club. for these reasons i dont expect us to spend big in this window and would generally support that but i hope in the summer we're ready to compete. Take a look who spent more than us in 07-08. Tottenham Sunderland Birmingham Derby Fulham They're hardly a convincing argument for boom rather than bust. Slow and steady wins the race. Err...YOu've missed out Liverpool, ManU, Pompey and Man C. But they don't disprove your theory like the teams I have listed, so why would I bother. A similar argument would be look at all these men going around breathing, you must breathe if you want to survive so you've got to be a man. Well women breathe and do ok! Ssshhh, quiet about the women and the breathing and the living, they don't suit my flawed argument. You're rambling now mate. ...and you're wilting Just put the kettle on.

We can get 3 players for the best part of £50m as Souey proved. That was years ago, we were a champions league chasing side, in the UEFA cup. We could then, we can't now. we finished lower the season just before owen and luque signed than we did last season, champion's league chasing my arse. oh and we werent in the uefa the season luque and owen joined either. Aye, a poor season after Robson did so brilliantly, so that's when we really had to be blinded by the cash being flashed so Freddy had to suck Owens cock for him to come (even though he was a crock no-one wanted). Luque was one of the bung deals, must have been, because he was vastly overpriced, are you saying you want more of those 2 types of signing. just because a club is spending money doesnt mean the transfers have to be shit, as souness's were, i said they were done without sense earlier in the thread. the club needs to take more care of how it spends money, better scouting specifically, but it has to be spent all the same if we want to move forward substantially. not sure allardyce is the man i'd trust in the event of us having a lot of money, mind. Spot on. but there's only about 15 transfers ever that have been as big as £25M. Not one of those players would have considered Newcastle. I'm happy to give Allardyce a few quid to bring in quality. but the £100m total and £15m+ criteria Parky is suggesting is mental. He knows it but he's just having a great laugh at all the tits agreeing with him. See where he says something like "where will they all fit?" that's how you know, because when all the non-european clubs spend daft money on ever shitter players and they can't all break into the top 4, he knows they end up like Leeds. well i agree but dont think the 25m+ or 100m figures are entirely serious as you say. but i think we're in a pretty good position to spend some substantial bucks, reduced debt, more tv money, stadium mostly full, billionaire owner the reasons. there's some issues that might derail that, chairman who looks a bit too conservative, manager who might not be the best spotter of talent or handler of money, lack of established scouting network, not having the training or support (or manager?) to get best out of players once they arrive at the club. for these reasons i dont expect us to spend big in this window and would generally support that but i hope in the summer we're ready to compete. Take a look who spent more than us in 07-08. Tottenham Sunderland Birmingham Derby Fulham They're hardly a convincing argument for boom rather than bust. Slow and steady wins the race. Err...YOu've missed out Liverpool, ManU, Pompey and Man C. But they don't disprove your theory like the teams I have listed, so why would I bother. A similar argument would be look at all these men going around breathing, you must breathe if you want to survive so you've got to be a man. Well women breathe and do ok! Ssshhh, quiet about the women and the breathing and the living, they don't suit my flawed argument. You're rambling now mate.

It's roughly what we need to spend. I wouldn't whine if we spent £70m net over the next couple of windows of course as that would be enough to set us on the way. Is it there? Ashley and Mort are winners and I'm sure they want to compete and MA has made noises about wanting to compete when he took over. The Allardyce part I'd rather refrain from commenting on at this point mate. blueyes.gif That's the crux of it for me. If the money's there, why isn't it being spent? The first thing alex said after City was that it was time to back him or sack him and he was/is spot on. Either give him the cash and cross your fingers or get shot and back the new guy to the hilt. The talent is out there and the likes of Elano are willing to go and play in the fucking Ukraine - they'd come here without a shadow of a doubt. Agree with that (Alex). Of course we can attract quality, never believed otherwise.

We can get 3 players for the best part of £50m as Souey proved. That was years ago, we were a champions league chasing side, in the UEFA cup. We could then, we can't now. we finished lower the season just before owen and luque signed than we did last season, champion's league chasing my arse. oh and we werent in the uefa the season luque and owen joined either. Aye, a poor season after Robson did so brilliantly, so that's when we really had to be blinded by the cash being flashed so Freddy had to suck Owens cock for him to come (even though he was a crock no-one wanted). Luque was one of the bung deals, must have been, because he was vastly overpriced, are you saying you want more of those 2 types of signing. just because a club is spending money doesnt mean the transfers have to be shit, as souness's were, i said they were done without sense earlier in the thread. the club needs to take more care of how it spends money, better scouting specifically, but it has to be spent all the same if we want to move forward substantially. not sure allardyce is the man i'd trust in the event of us having a lot of money, mind. Spot on. but there's only about 15 transfers ever that have been as big as £25M. Not one of those players would have considered Newcastle. I'm happy to give Allardyce a few quid to bring in quality. but the £100m total and £15m+ criteria Parky is suggesting is mental. He knows it but he's just having a great laugh at all the tits agreeing with him. See where he says something like "where will they all fit?" that's how you know, because when all the non-european clubs spend daft money on ever shitter players and they can't all break into the top 4, he knows they end up like Leeds. well i agree but dont think the 25m+ or 100m figures are entirely serious as you say. but i think we're in a pretty good position to spend some substantial bucks, reduced debt, more tv money, stadium mostly full, billionaire owner the reasons. there's some issues that might derail that, chairman who looks a bit too conservative, manager who might not be the best spotter of talent or handler of money, lack of established scouting network, not having the training or support (or manager?) to get best out of players once they arrive at the club. for these reasons i dont expect us to spend big in this window and would generally support that but i hope in the summer we're ready to compete. Take a look who spent more than us in 07-08. Tottenham Sunderland Birmingham Derby Fulham They're hardly a convincing argument for boom rather than bust. Slow and steady wins the race. Err...YOu've missed out Liverpool, ManU, Pompey and Man C.

It's roughly what we need to spend. I wouldn't whine if we spent £70m net over the next couple of windows of course as that would be enough to set us on the way. Is it there? Ashley and Mort are winners and I'm sure they want to compete and MA has made noises about wanting to compete when he took over. The Allardyce part I'd rather refrain from commenting on at this point mate.

...following that logic (painful) even if we spent 50m on 2/3 players they still wouldn't come....eh? You think we can't attract top players? The PL is now the No.1 destination of most top players in the world read the opening article. Thought so. I don't think we can't, I know we can't. Fucking Steve Sidwell didn't even want to come. Not good enough. You know jack shit from what Iv'e read so far. Sorry. I just don't buy all this we can't attract quality lark. Football is a speculative business model. Are you pissed? Sidwell is not fucking good enough. Look we either compete and therefore start to spend to match our ambitions or we wank on about Sidwell and Santa Clause or Cruz or whatever other muppet someone turns up for 5m..... The point is my dear boy, Sidwell DIDN'T WANT TO COME? How exactly are we attracting all these players better than him? We looked a joke chasing Rooney, and we'd look a joke chasing anyone else in that bracket at the moment. The point is now we have a billionaire owner, no debt, 25% more telly money, the richest league on the planet. talk of breakaway leagues, branding in Asia....Read the script ringo and the agree with me. Or move away I ain't selling peanuts. Parky, you talk daft in chat and it's funny, but football is serious man. Even when Shearer came and we were challenging, everyone outside Newcastle knew he was daft, it was just geordie loyalty that brought him here (and god bless him for it). I know you love this thread baby cause you rarely post in footie. Listen, Some people see the train, some people can even hear the train coming and some people need to look at the timetable.... I am the fucking train.

...following that logic (painful) even if we spent 50m on 2/3 players they still wouldn't come....eh? You think we can't attract top players? The PL is now the No.1 destination of most top players in the world read the opening article. Thought so. I don't think we can't, I know we can't. Fucking Steve Sidwell didn't even want to come. Not good enough. You know jack shit from what Iv'e read so far. Sorry. I just don't buy all this we can't attract quality lark. Football is a speculative business model. Are you pissed? Sidwell is not fucking good enough. Look we either compete and therefore start to spend to match our ambitions or we wank on about Sidwell and Santa Clause or Cruz or whatever other muppet someone turns up for 5m..... The point is my dear boy, Sidwell DIDN'T WANT TO COME? How exactly are we attracting all these players better than him? We looked a joke chasing Rooney, and we'd look a joke chasing anyone else in that bracket at the moment. The point is now we have a billionaire owner, no debt, 25% more telly money, the richest league on the planet. talk of breakaway leagues, branding in Asia....Read the script ringo and the agree with me. Or move away I ain't selling peanuts.

...following that logic (painful) even if we spent 50m on 2/3 players they still wouldn't come....eh? You think we can't attract top players? The PL is now the No.1 destination of most top players in the world read the opening article. Thought so. I don't think we can't, I know we can't. Fucking Steve Sidwell didn't even want to come. Not good enough. You know jack shit from what Iv'e read so far. Sorry. I just don't buy all this we can't attract quality lark. Football is a speculative business model. Are you pissed? Sidwell is not fucking good enough. Look we either compete and therefore start to spend to match our ambitions or we wank on about Sidwell and Santa Clause or Cruz or whatever other muppet someone turns up for 5m.....

We can get 3 players for the best part of £50m as Souey proved. Well this kinda leads back to my point, spending big on players is useless if you arent competent enough to get the best out of them. Most of Sounesses signing were justifiable but when it came down to it, they didnt perform because the management and coaching wasnt upto scratch. This is why i would be against giving Allardyce so much money in suchg a short period of time, becuase as it stands in my book he hasnt done anthing with his signings and hasnt brought on the games of many or any of the players that we have at the club. Its a recipe for disaster if you ask me. Exactly. Allardyce can't manage his tea. Needs to get us into Europe on a Bolton budget then fuck off to be replaced by someone who knows that players need to move even when they don't have the ball. That can't happen anymore or haven't you noticed what the top 6/7 are starting to spend and the ambitions of the other new owners.

...following that logic (painful) even if we spent 50m on 2/3 players they still wouldn't come....eh? You think we can't attract top players? The PL is now the No.1 destination of most top players in the world read the opening article. Thought so. I don't think we can't, I know we can't. Fucking Steve Sidwell didn't even want to come. Not good enough. You know jack shit from what Iv'e read so far. Sorry. I just don't buy all this we can't attract quality lark. Football is a speculative business model.

With signings like that it could take fat Sam £100 million to get us into the top 10. I thought that was Parky's original point. Not taking what Parky says completely literally, i wholeheartedly agree with the principle. I knew you would. But I was hoping for a deeper insight from you. There are still a few deluded souls who think we could get more out of our players but most recognise that, on the whole, the squad is where it ought to be in the prem. We need 2 defenders, 3 midfielders and 2 strikers of higher quality than anyone already at the club to be where Ashley said he wanted the club to be in the next few years. I think over the next 18 months, £100m (spent not net spend) isnt far off. Sweet.

...following that logic (painful) even if we spent 50m on 2/3 players they still wouldn't come....eh? You think we can't attract top players? The PL is now the No.1 destination of most top players in the world read the opening article. They can't all go to the top 4 surely? Liverpool already has 80 players on its books. mackems.gif

With signings like that it could take fat Sam £100 million to get us into the top 10. I thought that was Parky's original point. Not taking what Parky says completely literally, i wholeheartedly agree with the principle. I knew you would. But I was hoping for a deeper insight from you.

As you say there are no gurantees Dave. But on the other hand there is very little option in the market if we seriously want to compete at the highest levels, which is what we all want. There are many routes to that but one certain route is we will have to bring in quality at some point. Not wishing to start the usual arguments (please god help me), but do you really think the club don't know this? They'll be looking at the likes of Man City just as closely as we are and asking questions. FFS Dave!! Not the 'b' word. I take your point.

As you say there are no gurantees Dave. But on the other hand there is very little option in the market if we seriously want to compete at the highest levels, which is what we all want. There are many routes to that but one certain route is we will have to bring in quality at some point.

So other more appealing clubs are going to step aside? Most players in this range aren't seen to be the finished article for the most part, and therefore aren't pursued by a lot of other clubs. There is still a bit of a question mark with them for various reasons, for example being in smaller leagues. How many people were after the three I mentioned for instance? None of the top clubs made it really difficult for Tottenham to get Berbatov or Man City to get Elano did they? Adebayor himself wasn't exactly seen to be a world beater at the time either. So rather than chasing someone like Diego who would fall into your high price range, and who would attract attention from a lot of other clubs, we ought to look at players like Arshavin who doesn't have the reputation of Diego, but who looks like a quality player who could make an impact anyway, and perhaps surprise a lot of people like Elano has. It is up to our scouts to determine these kind of players though, which is not easy to be fair. How much were the 'scouting finds' like Obi Mikel, Eduardo, Walcott? Not sure I understand what you're saying here? Players who still are only potential at the time of purchase will in todays market cost between 10-15m. Players we need to compete (not just potential) will cost more. Parky my man you dissapoint me > Santa Cruz just cost Blackburn £3.5 million this past summer and it absolutely enraged me when it happened, because we had instead brought in Viduka. Santa Cruz didn't do it at Bayern, but he had shown time and again what a good player he was with Paraguay, since the age of 17, in big tournaments. If we do a good enough job scouting we could definitely find players with decent potential for between £6 million and £10 million in todays market. if its no easy to get it right every time, and so unnecessary, please explain why manu and chelsea don't do it too ? Picking out the one in three successes [or whatever the ratio is] proves absolutely nothing mate. Santa Cruz is an extreme example I agree and he was particularly cheap. I am talking about £6 million to £10 million. You can definitely get good players for that amount still. I agree it isn't easy but even if you spend £30 million on a player it still isn't easy, and both Chelsea and Man U have messed up a ton of times. However, they are richer and more succesful than us at the moment and so can afford to do so. I wouldn't disagree with that on the whole. But the 2/3 players of extreme quality we need won't come cheap. Look at the last 10m+ player we purchased, we were still buying potential and promise. Uttery quality in todays market starts generally at 15m++

So other more appealing clubs are going to step aside? Most players in this range aren't seen to be the finished article for the most part, and therefore aren't pursued by a lot of other clubs. There is still a bit of a question mark with them for various reasons, for example being in smaller leagues. How many people were after the three I mentioned for instance? None of the top clubs made it really difficult for Tottenham to get Berbatov or Man City to get Elano did they? Adebayor himself wasn't exactly seen to be a world beater at the time either. So rather than chasing someone like Diego who would fall into your high price range, and who would attract attention from a lot of other clubs, we ought to look at players like Arshavin who doesn't have the reputation of Diego, but who looks like a quality player who could make an impact anyway, and perhaps surprise a lot of people like Elano has. It is up to our scouts to determine these kind of players though, which is not easy to be fair. How much were the 'scouting finds' like Obi Mikel, Eduardo, Walcott? Not sure I understand what you're saying here? Players who still are only potential at the time of purchase will in todays market cost between 10-15m. Players we need to compete (not just potential) will cost more. Parky my man you dissapoint me > Santa Cruz just cost Blackburn £3.5 million this past summer and it absolutely enraged me when it happened, because we had instead brought in Viduka. Santa Cruz didn't do it at Bayern, but he had shown time and again what a good player he was with Paraguay, since the age of 17, in big tournaments. If we do a good enough job scouting we could definitely find players with decent potential for between £6 million and £10 million in todays market. if its no easy to get it right every time, and so unnecessary, please explain why manu and chelsea don't do it too ? Picking out the one in three successes [or whatever the ratio is] proves absolutely nothing mate. Ditto. I think the ratio is 1 in 12.

So other more appealing clubs are going to step aside? Most players in this range aren't seen to be the finished article for the most part, and therefore aren't pursued by a lot of other clubs. There is still a bit of a question mark with them for various reasons, for example being in smaller leagues. How many people were after the three I mentioned for instance? None of the top clubs made it really difficult for Tottenham to get Berbatov or Man City to get Elano did they? Adebayor himself wasn't exactly seen to be a world beater at the time either. So rather than chasing someone like Diego who would fall into your high price range, and who would attract attention from a lot of other clubs, we ought to look at players like Arshavin who doesn't have the reputation of Diego, but who looks like a quality player who could make an impact anyway, and perhaps surprise a lot of people like Elano has. It is up to our scouts to determine these kind of players though, which is not easy to be fair. How much were the 'scouting finds' like Obi Mikel, Eduardo, Walcott? Not sure I understand what you're saying here? Players who still are only potential at the time of purchase will in todays market cost between 10-15m. Players we need to compete (not just potential) will cost more. Parky my man you dissapoint me > Santa Cruz just cost Blackburn £3.5 million this past summer and it absolutely enraged me when it happened, because we had instead brought in Viduka. Santa Cruz didn't do it at Bayern, but he had shown time and again what a good player he was with Paraguay, since the age of 17, in big tournaments. If we do a good enough job scouting we could definitely find players with decent potential for between £6 million and £10 million in todays market. Fuck off about Santa Cruz he's average. We've only just hired some scouts. When do you want to start competing 2012??!!

Best be safe than sorry Baggy. You know as well as I do in the current market the 2/3 players of extreme quality we need won't come cheap and no end of delusion about scouting and what not is going to change that... I don't expect them to come cheap, £100 million is a huge amount though mate. A good manager could get us there with £30-40 million if spent properly, the important thing is tactics and getting the team playing right. Perhaps. We are a long way behind the top 4 and are already imo falling behind the likes of Pompey, City and Spurs, City have already spent 35m odd and will spend in Jan and again in the summer. So will the other two more than likely. We are catching up. We need one big window and another biggish window before we can start to frighten sides imo.