Parky

So the whole of the world has a soft spot Klinsman? Did I say that? I'll rephrase...Outside of England...The North East, no one gives a fuck about Shearer.

Not as good as Klinsmann or your French man imo. At what? Attracting quality players and also knowing the hidden gems around Europe etc..... Who were the hidden gems Houllier took to Liverpool & did well? http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=264163&root=england&cc=5739 Err...Baggio's your man. I'm more Klinsmann. Which hidden gems has Klinsmann ever found? He hasn't had a chance yet has he? The core point being top players will hear him out if he approached them to play for us. If he hasn't had the chance then how can you say he'll know the hidden gems out there more than Shearer? Cause he's played all over Europe? Managed a national side. Has contacts in Germany, Italy and England. Little bit more than smug face Shearer eh? Stop being silly. Sorry, but how is Baggio being "silly"? He's simply pointing out a logical inconsistency in your argument. So you think people won't pick up the phone if Klinsmann calls? So you think playing and having a big reputation in the game across Euro won't help him as a manager? It's about opinions and that is mine. Kilinsmann would be a better bet than Alan Shearer. Outside of England no one gives a fuck about Shearer. Fair enough. I shouldn't have to prod you like this to get you to explain yourself properly. That said, a German manager at NUFC? Just can't see it happening.

Not as good as Klinsmann or your French man imo. At what? Attracting quality players and also knowing the hidden gems around Europe etc..... Who were the hidden gems Houllier took to Liverpool & did well? http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=264163&root=england&cc=5739 Err...Baggio's your man. I'm more Klinsmann. Which hidden gems has Klinsmann ever found? He hasn't had a chance yet has he? The core point being top players will hear him out if he approached them to play for us. If he hasn't had the chance then how can you say he'll know the hidden gems out there more than Shearer? Cause he's played all over Europe? Managed a national side. Has contacts in Germany, Italy and England. Little bit more than smug face Shearer eh? Stop being silly. Sorry, but how is Baggio being "silly"? He's simply pointing out a logical inconsistency in your argument. It's Parky's way of trying to end the debate without admitting he's wrong. You haven't answered by rebuttal chubby chops and you want a grandad as manager. "...more likely to" was the phrase I used.

Not as good as Klinsmann or your French man imo. At what? Attracting quality players and also knowing the hidden gems around Europe etc..... Who were the hidden gems Houllier took to Liverpool & did well? http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=264163&root=england&cc=5739 Err...Baggio's your man. I'm more Klinsmann. Which hidden gems has Klinsmann ever found? He hasn't had a chance yet has he? The core point being top players will hear him out if he approached them to play for us. If he hasn't had the chance then how can you say he'll know the hidden gems out there more than Shearer? Cause he's played all over Europe? Managed a national side. Has contacts in Germany, Italy and England. Little bit more than smug face Shearer eh? Stop being silly. Sorry, but how is Baggio being "silly"? He's simply pointing out a logical inconsistency in your argument. So you think people won't pick up the phone if Klinsmann calls? So you think playing and having a big reputation in the game across Euro won't help him as a manager? It's about opinions and that is mine. Kilinsmann would be a better bet than Alan Shearer. Outside of England no one gives a fuck about Shearer.

Not as good as Klinsmann or your French man imo. At what? Attracting quality players and also knowing the hidden gems around Europe etc..... Who were the hidden gems Houllier took to Liverpool & did well? http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=264163&root=england&cc=5739 Err...Baggio's your man. I'm more Klinsmann. Which hidden gems has Klinsmann ever found? He hasn't had a chance yet has he? The core point being top players will hear him out if he approached them to play for us. If he hasn't had the chance then how can you say he'll know the hidden gems out there more than Shearer? Cause he's played all over Europe? Managed a national side. Has contacts in Germany, Italy and England. Little bit more than smug face Shearer eh? Stop being silly.

Aye. Take the money get Anelka. Simple. Next. Diouf is surely more likely. I'd be happy with either. Haven't we done this one before Rich?

Not as good as Klinsmann or your French man imo. At what? Attracting quality players and also knowing the hidden gems around Europe etc..... Who were the hidden gems Houllier took to Liverpool & did well? http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=264163&root=england&cc=5739 Err...Baggio's your man. I'm more Klinsmann. Which hidden gems has Klinsmann ever found? He hasn't had a chance yet has he? The core point being top players will hear him out if he approached them to play for us.

Not as good as Klinsmann or your French man imo. At what? Attracting quality players and also knowing the hidden gems around Europe etc..... Who were the hidden gems Houllier took to Liverpool & did well? http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=264163&root=england&cc=5739 Err...Baggio's your man. I'm more Klinsmann.

Not as good as Klinsmann or your French man imo. At what? Attracting quality players and also knowing the hidden gems around Europe etc.....

Not as good as Klinsmann or your French man imo.

Did he not help us sign Owen as well. And look where that got us, injury prone, cost us a fortune and got f*** all in return. Yeah right! Are you blaming Al for that? ....he had a part in it iirc...Long talks on his mobile or summat.

I like it when you get angry.

Aye. Take the money get Anelka. Simple. Next.

There is no remote comparison between the apporaches I agree. As I've said repeatedly he's no worse than Moyes, MON or Hughes.

Give him money! mackems.gif And people wanted a reason to why its a good idea to sack him now!!! The thing is, Nolan's the sort of player you can see him going for isn't it? A midfielder who creates fuck all but gives a 100% and gets stuck in, the people who value a team full of grafters should love this one. I would be hugely disappointed. FYP. It's a load of bollocks anyway. This is speculation on speculation. Let's hope you're right Davidos.

Give him money! mackems.gif And people wanted a reason to why its a good idea to sack him now!!! The thing is, Nolan's the sort of player you can see him going for isn't it? A midfielder who creates fuck all but gives a 100% and gets stuck in, the people who value a team full of grafters should love this one. Nolan would cost £7m or so to sign, then wages, to sack Sam would cost about £6-7m (reported) even the fanatic sam backers would be hard pushed to choose what to do there. ...and to top it all a mate of Gerrards.

Give him money! mackems.gif And people wanted a reason to why its a good idea to sack him now!!! The thing is, Nolan's the sort of player you can see him going for isn't it? A midfielder who creates fuck all but gives a 100% and gets stuck in, the people who value a team full of grafters should love this one. I would be underwhelmed.

He walked into a fairly good setup to be fair.

Not a huge amount but am going off the principle that if Ashley can afford to pay off debt (that is perfectly acceptable for Arse/Man U/Liverpool/Chelsea to carry in far bigger proportions) then he can afford £20m to give Allardyce a couple of decent attacking players. Do you think Sven would be doing better with our current lot? Or Moyes? I think the squad is a bit s*** and most teams above us have one or two key players that make them tick that we dont. Long term its hard to say about Allardyce but i think people have poor judgement about our players if they think we have a Muntari, an Elano or an Arteta. We dont and these players are the ones sticking the points on the board for those teams. Anyone who thinks our players are good enough to challenge the top 6 needs their head looked at. These are same lads who think Milner is decent btw. Spot on! We could easily see the team as a whole gel together with a couple of cracking signings! I don't think our defence is half as bad as the media make out! It's the midfield giving the ball away with sloppy passes then falling on there arses trying to gain back possession, and this just heaps more pressure on the back line! Aye, same as last season and which was pointed out by some last season before loads of new defenders were signed...with no improvement. You might need to go through your taking the pressure of the def mantra again HTL. Do you think we didn't need to improve the quality of the playing staff at the back? I think we needed (and made) significant upgrades in defensive individuals. The team is not functioning as a whole and a better midfield would certainly help, but that doesn't mean we should have relied on the players we had then. I agree. I meant I don't want to see endless def coming in.....(I'll take Wes Brown if he comes). Fair enough. Agree on Brown if he's not too expensive. Apart from the pesky ACN and the bizarre Enrique situation I think we're more or less covered at the back now. I couldn't say that at the end of last season, which is what you and HTL seemed to be implying. The staff was shit/leaving anyway*, so I can forgive him concentrating on defenders. Unfortunately it's not made us any more solid, but at least the players are there to be used. Allardyce now needs to spend some money on players who can make things happen. *The list is pretty shocking tbh. Amen to that.

Not a huge amount but am going off the principle that if Ashley can afford to pay off debt (that is perfectly acceptable for Arse/Man U/Liverpool/Chelsea to carry in far bigger proportions) then he can afford £20m to give Allardyce a couple of decent attacking players. Do you think Sven would be doing better with our current lot? Or Moyes? I think the squad is a bit s*** and most teams above us have one or two key players that make them tick that we dont. Long term its hard to say about Allardyce but i think people have poor judgement about our players if they think we have a Muntari, an Elano or an Arteta. We dont and these players are the ones sticking the points on the board for those teams. Anyone who thinks our players are good enough to challenge the top 6 needs their head looked at. These are same lads who think Milner is decent btw. Spot on! We could easily see the team as a whole gel together with a couple of cracking signings! I don't think our defence is half as bad as the media make out! It's the midfield giving the ball away with sloppy passes then falling on there arses trying to gain back possession, and this just heaps more pressure on the back line! Aye, same as last season and which was pointed out by some last season before loads of new defenders were signed...with no improvement. You might need to go through your taking the pressure of the def mantra again HTL. Do you think we didn't need to improve the quality of the playing staff at the back? I think we needed (and made) significant upgrades in defensive individuals. The team is not functioning as a whole and a better midfield would certainly help, but that doesn't mean we should have relied on the players we had then. I agree. I meant I don't want to see endless def coming in.....(I'll take Wes Brown if he comes).

Not a huge amount but am going off the principle that if Ashley can afford to pay off debt (that is perfectly acceptable for Arse/Man U/Liverpool/Chelsea to carry in far bigger proportions) then he can afford £20m to give Allardyce a couple of decent attacking players. Do you think Sven would be doing better with our current lot? Or Moyes? I think the squad is a bit s*** and most teams above us have one or two key players that make them tick that we dont. Long term its hard to say about Allardyce but i think people have poor judgement about our players if they think we have a Muntari, an Elano or an Arteta. We dont and these players are the ones sticking the points on the board for those teams. Anyone who thinks our players are good enough to challenge the top 6 needs their head looked at. These are same lads who think Milner is decent btw. Spot on! We could easily see the team as a whole gel together with a couple of cracking signings! I don't think our defence is half as bad as the media make out! It's the midfield giving the ball away with sloppy passes then falling on there arses trying to gain back possession, and this just heaps more pressure on the back line! Aye, same as last season and which was pointed out by some last season before loads of new defenders were signed...with no improvement. You might need to go through your taking the pressure of the def mantra again HTL.

Not a huge amount but am going off the principle that if Ashley can afford to pay off debt (that is perfectly acceptable for Arse/Man U/Liverpool/Chelsea to carry in far bigger proportions) then he can afford £20m to give Allardyce a couple of decent attacking players. Do you think Sven would be doing better with our current lot? Or Moyes? I think the squad is a bit shit and most teams above us have one or two key players that make them tick that we dont. Long term its hard to say about Allardyce but i think people have poor judgement about our players if they think we have a Muntari, an Elano or an Arteta. We dont and these players are the ones sticking the points on the board for those teams. Anyone who thinks our players are good enough to challenge the top 6 needs their head looked at. These are same lads who think Milner is decent btw. So you think an under performing manager who's shown no sign of improvement since he's been here and the money he has spent has mostly been wasted should be given £20 million on the basis that the new owner is rich? For me Allardyce isn't good enough and we've seen over the first few months that he isn't up to the job, giving him large amounts of money under these circumstances would be crazy (unless of course you have faith in him to turn it around) and we would be better off saving it for the next manager, whoever he'll be. Why do we need to save money? I thought we were rich? Why not take a gamble, you know you should only gamble if you can afford it and i reckon Ashley can? We're 11th with a shit team. Does that mean you think our squad is better than Pompey's? Or Everton's? Who are these lush players in our sqaud that means Allardyce is under-performing? We're stuck with Allardyce mate, nowt we can do about it now, if we get rid we will put the club back years. Not sure he is the one to take us north of 6th place but i think given time and money he will get us there or thereabouts. People need to accept that we still have a thin rickety squad albeit with a more shored up defence. Defence always takes longer to show it's working than an attack in football lore. The players won't be wasted if SA gets the push, quality players remain quality regardless of manager. Do you trust him to sign quality players though? In all honesty I'm not sure anymore. Beye and Faye are one thing but when looking for thoroughbreds a different eye is needed. And another thing we have too many lumpen defenders as coaches at the club. I seem to remember me and you sharing the same concerns in the Summer about the lack of pace and creativity in the team, for me it was blindingly obvious that we would struggle to create things even if people on here were trying to make out we didn't have a problem because we had 10 shots on target against whoever. Did Allardyce really think Barton, Geremi, Smith and Viduka would be the answer to our creative problems? I have no faith at all in him getting what we need, or him turning this club around, for that reason I'd rather he didn't get anything. Yeah we passed the parcel on creativity and pace around toward the end of the summer window and frankly there wasn't much uptake...Barton seemed to be the get out clause for many at the time. Then iirc soon after the Wigan (SJP) where we had real problems creating proper chances (although we won in the end) I started to become fearful and started pushing that big thread about a 'creativo centrocampista'.... Which grew quite long as people began to realise what the heck I was bleating about. The midfield whether it be right midfield or an attacking CM doesn't have enough tricks and we're dropping points because of this especially against the weaker sides who sit deep qv all the bottom of the table muppets we've lost points to.

Quicker Beckham fucks off the better.

Not a huge amount but am going off the principle that if Ashley can afford to pay off debt (that is perfectly acceptable for Arse/Man U/Liverpool/Chelsea to carry in far bigger proportions) then he can afford £20m to give Allardyce a couple of decent attacking players. Do you think Sven would be doing better with our current lot? Or Moyes? I think the squad is a bit shit and most teams above us have one or two key players that make them tick that we dont. Long term its hard to say about Allardyce but i think people have poor judgement about our players if they think we have a Muntari, an Elano or an Arteta. We dont and these players are the ones sticking the points on the board for those teams. Anyone who thinks our players are good enough to challenge the top 6 needs their head looked at. These are same lads who think Milner is decent btw. So you think an under performing manager who's shown no sign of improvement since he's been here and the money he has spent has mostly been wasted should be given £20 million on the basis that the new owner is rich? For me Allardyce isn't good enough and we've seen over the first few months that he isn't up to the job, giving him large amounts of money under these circumstances would be crazy (unless of course you have faith in him to turn it around) and we would be better off saving it for the next manager, whoever he'll be. Why do we need to save money? I thought we were rich? Why not take a gamble, you know you should only gamble if you can afford it and i reckon Ashley can? We're 11th with a shit team. Does that mean you think our squad is better than Pompey's? Or Everton's? Who are these lush players in our sqaud that means Allardyce is under-performing? We're stuck with Allardyce mate, nowt we can do about it now, if we get rid we will put the club back years. Not sure he is the one to take us north of 6th place but i think given time and money he will get us there or thereabouts. People need to accept that we still have a thin rickety squad albeit with a more shored up defence. Defence always takes longer to show it's working than an attack in football lore. The players won't be wasted if SA gets the push, quality players remain quality regardless of manager. Do you trust him to sign quality players though? In all honesty I'm not sure anymore. Beye and Faye are one thing but when looking for thoroughbreds a different eye is needed. And another thing we have too many lumpen defenders as coaches at the club.

Not a huge amount but am going off the principle that if Ashley can afford to pay off debt (that is perfectly acceptable for Arse/Man U/Liverpool/Chelsea to carry in far bigger proportions) then he can afford £20m to give Allardyce a couple of decent attacking players. Do you think Sven would be doing better with our current lot? Or Moyes? I think the squad is a bit shit and most teams above us have one or two key players that make them tick that we dont. Long term its hard to say about Allardyce but i think people have poor judgement about our players if they think we have a Muntari, an Elano or an Arteta. We dont and these players are the ones sticking the points on the board for those teams. Anyone who thinks our players are good enough to challenge the top 6 needs their head looked at. These are same lads who think Milner is decent btw. So you think an under performing manager who's shown no sign of improvement since he's been here and the money he has spent has mostly been wasted should be given £20 million on the basis that the new owner is rich? For me Allardyce isn't good enough and we've seen over the first few months that he isn't up to the job, giving him large amounts of money under these circumstances would be crazy (unless of course you have faith in him to turn it around) and we would be better off saving it for the next manager, whoever he'll be. Why do we need to save money? I thought we were rich? Why not take a gamble, you know you should only gamble if you can afford it and i reckon Ashley can? We're 11th with a shit team. Does that mean you think our squad is better than Pompey's? Or Everton's? Who are these lush players in our sqaud that means Allardyce is under-performing? We're stuck with Allardyce mate, nowt we can do about it now, if we get rid we will put the club back years. Not sure he is the one to take us north of 6th place but i think given time and money he will get us there or thereabouts. People need to accept that we still have a thin rickety squad albeit with a more shored up defence. Defence always takes longer to show it's working than an attack in football lore. The players won't be wasted if SA gets the push, quality players remain quality regardless of manager.