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So what has Comolli actually done to justify this sort of backing: Who gets the credit for 5th place? i.e. how many Comolli players were an integral part of making Spurs a European team? It still seems to me that Spurs have got worse since he started signing the players. It seems even under the most cursory scrutiny the DOF lark seems to fall apart.

Surley you'd have been beter of calling him "Chris", or "Christopher". If you called him Melvin and he didn't answer, he wasn't being a c***, it's just not his name. Errr what? I'm on about pulling someone's undercrackers right up there arse! Oh, sorry. I thought you were on about name-calling, not physical bullying. Well done you.

Damage control?

Aha....All is not lost on the Anelka front. Get rid of Marteens...And and get my boy in.

Who's name are you going to adopt once he's gone MJ?

COMOLLI'S SIGNINGS Comolli has delievered in bringing a number of players to White Hart Lane in his two years at the club... THE HITS: Dimitar Berbatov - £10.9m from Bayer Leverkusen, Pascal Chambonda - £5.25m from Wigan THE MISSES: Benoit Assou-Ekottu - £3.5m from Lens, Didier Zokora - £8.2m from St Etienne, Ricardo Rocha - £3.3m from Benfica, Dorian Dervitte - undisclosed from Lille, Hossam Ghaly - £3.25m from Feyenoord http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=476526&in_page_id=1771&ICO=SPORT&ICL=TOPART

The crux of the 433 is the first phase of the attack where a mid-range ball comes out of def/deepmf to a strong/pacey/mobile striker pulling wide. None of out strikers actually fit that bill. Martins is closest but is shit at bringing others into play.

Pretty much, David Dein acted as a DOF to Wenger which is why he's on the look out for a replacement. Dein was excellent in the role actually. But the Arsenal scouting set up in general and Arsene's contacts in Euro also played a big part. Dein wasn't a real specialist mind he was just one from the 'old board' who shared Wenger's vision and understood his needs. Wenger was still Optimus Prime. Where it has gone wrong at Spurs is that Comolli almost seems after Jol's job. Not quite as bad at Chelsea but there has also been a lot of fiction there. People also have to remember that Kenyon head hunted Mourinho and that brings with it certain ties. Comolli is Jol's immediate superior in the hierachy, he recommends people for the underling's job, not tries to take them for himself! The Spurs board will back the DoF ahead of the Head Coach every time. The coach may be sacked but with the strategy being dictated by the DoF, the continuity will remain. It should also be remembered that Spurs' 2 5th place finishes have been with Comolli as the DoF, Arnesen never achieved that in his time at Spurs. Comolli also turned down Wenger when he was tapped up to be Dein's replacement so I don't see the system being the problem as much as the Head Coach (appointed by Arnesen) not being in sync with Comolli's strategy. Even if a deal with Ramos cannot be finalised, I don't see Jol staying very long and his departure wouldn't have anything to do with the results of the first 2 matches of the season either. Can't be much of a system if two grown men can't communicate within it and sort out the football side of things. MJ clarify for us how you give so much credit for the two 5th places to Comolli and not Jol. And who is at fault for the Spurs left side? http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2152361,00.html Jol hears 'whispers' that his sacking is close as Spurs court Sevilla's Ramos David Hytner Monday August 20, 2007 The Guardian Martin Jol fears Tottenham are about to sack him and wants clarity from Daniel Levy, the chairman, about his future. The manager watched his team beat Derby County 4-0 at White Hart Lane on Saturday to win their first points of the season but has been alarmed to hear "whispers" that his days are numbered. Jol was also distressed to learn that Tottenham directors had met Juande Ramos, the Sevilla manager, in Spain on Friday. John Alexander, the club secretary, was pictured with Ramos, and Paul Kemsley, the vice-chairman, was also present. The system will work fine and only really breaks down when one (Jol) wants to take some of the job delegated to his immediate boss (Comolli). From what I understand on the continent, some DoF's don't even discuss the players with the coach, just sign them and say 'here's another one for the squad for you to work with'. At Spurs Jol says what position he would like filled and what level (starter, squad, one for the future), Comolli comes up with a list of names and the order of preference is decided between the pair of them. Comolli then starts to work down the list. The problems arise when Jol thinks a player should be bought at the price quoted by the selling club and Comolli refuses to recommend the bid to Levy at that price, SWP at £17m, Downing at £14m and Kuyt at £18m are just 3 I know of, I'm sure there are others. The problem with the left side is complex, Jol has said before he wants a LW and we've tried at various times for Downing, MGP, Robben, Nani, Petrov etc, even though Jol says he probably wouldn't use the LW in tandem with Lennon. So they've asked about LM's instead, Barry, Taylor, Drenthe etc but Jol comes back saying he'd prefer Robben or SWP............. and so it goes around. My personal view is that Jol knows there is a shortcoming on that side but doesn't know the best way of dealing with it with retaining some stability to the balance. It isn't helped by Jol having Keane having one of his untouchables who can't be dropped, hence Keane playing in MF against Everton with Bent and Berbatov up front. Who gets the credit for 5th place? Well, Jol obviously gets some, but there is the belief (and I share it) that with the squad that Comolli put together, any reasonable manager should have been capable of getting a European place. So, on that basis, I would put the bulk with Comolli, some to Jol. Incidentally, one credible ITK is saying Jol could be gone today. Not surprising, I am getting nothing from my sister-in-law so I'm as much in the dark as the next man. Thanks MJ good read. On another level the wage structure imo has held Spurs back and I think without it there is no doubt in my mind you would have had top 4 in one of the last two seasons. But clearly that would have had consequences on the long term project. Of interest reg Comolli things.. COMOLLI'S SIGNINGS Comolli has delievered in bringing a number of players to White Hart Lane in his two years at the club... THE HITS: Dimitar Berbatov - £10.9m from Bayer Leverkusen, Pascal Chambonda - £5.25m from Wigan THE MISSES: Benoit Assou-Ekottu - £3.5m from Lens, Didier Zokora - £8.2m from St Etienne, Ricardo Rocha - £3.3m from Benfica, Dorian Dervitte - undisclosed from Lille, Hossam Ghaly - £3.25m from Feyenoord

Referee's are getting manipulated by the top sides. Good article. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/08/21/sfnwin121.xml "Jose Mourinho made JT a better player, a better organiser and a real good leader. Jose is very successful at bringing that siege mentality in - manipulate [officials], intimidate, influence - pick your word. Analyse videos of Chelsea games when incidents go against them, and one player is always in that melée, trying to confront the referee. Some would argue that JT is in there because he is the captain, representing his team. The Laws of the game will tell you the captain has no privileges. His job is to do the toss-up.'' Poll believes the constant surrounding of referees is pre-meditated. "Yes. It works. Let's look at patterns. When Fergie first came to United they had not won the championship for a long time, and he put together a combative team, who were snarling, who intimidated referees and opponents, won the title a few times, and changed into a silky smooth team that has some lovely fluidity. With Arsenal, Arsene Wenger came in, and there was that attrition. The record of his number of red cards was incredible."

They haven't spent a penny have they? They've spent money and had the most successful 3 years in their history. Your point being? It's Kenyon's point that matters. Yeah, but what was your point? Or did you not have one? Kenyon's thinly veiled critique of Mourinho. I was suggesting Chelsea wasn't a very good example to bring up of a club having a DoF and it not working in the Premier League though. They aren't and neither are Spurs. Going purely off the relative recent records of the clubs. Which is all that really matters. The rest is largely conjecture about wranglings behind the scenes. So who are we blaming for the Spurs left side? So, that was the point you were making when you brought up Kenyon? Spurs' left side. Not even worth replying to that one Parky. Nice try, see if you can hook someone else. I though YOU were talking about Spurs AND Chelsea? Let's put it another way ManU might have won the league last year cause Mourinho didn't get the players HE wanted. I was talking about Chelsea and (to a lesser extent) Spurs. Fairly obvious (I'd have thought) I was making a general point about the relative recent success of those two teams and how that would tend to suggest a DoF can work. Dein at Arsenal has also been mentioned and is a case in point due to the role he had. Btw, I think Man Utd. won the league by playing stunning football last season. As to why Chelsea didn't, it's a lot of ifs and buts, as with everything in football. They're still probably in the middle of their most successful spell ever though. Ok I stand corrected. Somebody frame that Seems you were right about Jol though, all over the radio this morning that he's a goner and Ramos is replacing him. Lippi was also mentioned as a replacement and so was (wait for it) Harry Redknapp. I shit you not. It transpires that his remit for this season was top 4 and nothing less. The delusion has spread from the support to the boardroom it seems.

Yes Dave but according to you Roeder would still be here. Wasn't that you? I thought it was you? Nah. I even bollocked someone for FACTING he would be staying. It was you, you pulled those towers. YOu fuck I have it on good authority it was you. Let me look at those fingers. Where's your authority now, Parkman? By the power of greyskull?

They haven't spent a penny have they? They've spent money and had the most successful 3 years in their history. Your point being? It's Kenyon's point that matters. Yeah, but what was your point? Or did you not have one? Kenyon's thinly veiled critique of Mourinho. I was suggesting Chelsea wasn't a very good example to bring up of a club having a DoF and it not working in the Premier League though. They aren't and neither are Spurs. Going purely off the relative recent records of the clubs. Which is all that really matters. The rest is largely conjecture about wranglings behind the scenes. So who are we blaming for the Spurs left side? So, that was the point you were making when you brought up Kenyon? Spurs' left side. Not even worth replying to that one Parky. Nice try, see if you can hook someone else. I though YOU were talking about Spurs AND Chelsea? Let's put it another way ManU might have won the league last year cause Mourinho didn't get the players HE wanted. I was talking about Chelsea and (to a lesser extent) Spurs. Fairly obvious (I'd have thought) I was making a general point about the relative recent success of those two teams and how that would tend to suggest a DoF can work. Dein at Arsenal has also been mentioned and is a case in point due to the role he had. Btw, I think Man Utd. won the league by playing stunning football last season. As to why Chelsea didn't, it's a lot of ifs and buts, as with everything in football. They're still probably in the middle of their most successful spell ever though. Ok I stand corrected.

I'd rather have Anelka, please. Me too, rather have Anelka over Martins ability wise. ...personally I'd swap any of our strikers for Anelka.

Pretty much, David Dein acted as a DOF to Wenger which is why he's on the look out for a replacement. Dein was excellent in the role actually. But the Arsenal scouting set up in general and Arsene's contacts in Euro also played a big part. Dein wasn't a real specialist mind he was just one from the 'old board' who shared Wenger's vision and understood his needs. Wenger was still Optimus Prime. Where it has gone wrong at Spurs is that Comolli almost seems after Jol's job. Not quite as bad at Chelsea but there has also been a lot of fiction there. People also have to remember that Kenyon head hunted Mourinho and that brings with it certain ties. Comolli is Jol's immediate superior in the hierachy, he recommends people for the underling's job, not tries to take them for himself! The Spurs board will back the DoF ahead of the Head Coach every time. The coach may be sacked but with the strategy being dictated by the DoF, the continuity will remain. It should also be remembered that Spurs' 2 5th place finishes have been with Comolli as the DoF, Arnesen never achieved that in his time at Spurs. Comolli also turned down Wenger when he was tapped up to be Dein's replacement so I don't see the system being the problem as much as the Head Coach (appointed by Arnesen) not being in sync with Comolli's strategy. Even if a deal with Ramos cannot be finalised, I don't see Jol staying very long and his departure wouldn't have anything to do with the results of the first 2 matches of the season either. Can't be much of a system if two grown men can't communicate within it and sort out the football side of things. MJ clarify for us how you give so much credit for the two 5th places to Comolli and not Jol. And who is at fault for the Spurs left side? http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2152361,00.html Jol hears 'whispers' that his sacking is close as Spurs court Sevilla's Ramos David Hytner Monday August 20, 2007 The Guardian Martin Jol fears Tottenham are about to sack him and wants clarity from Daniel Levy, the chairman, about his future. The manager watched his team beat Derby County 4-0 at White Hart Lane on Saturday to win their first points of the season but has been alarmed to hear "whispers" that his days are numbered. Jol was also distressed to learn that Tottenham directors had met Juande Ramos, the Sevilla manager, in Spain on Friday. John Alexander, the club secretary, was pictured with Ramos, and Paul Kemsley, the vice-chairman, was also present.

Pretty much, David Dein acted as a DOF to Wenger which is why he's on the look out for a replacement. Dein was excellent in the role actually. But the Arsenal scouting set up in general and Arsene's contacts in Euro also played a big part. Dein wasn't a real specialist mind he was just one from the 'old board' who shared Wenger's vision and understood his needs. Wenger was still Optimus Prime. Where it has gone wrong at Spurs is that Comolli almost seems after Jol's job. Not quite as bad at Chelsea but there has also been a lot of fiction there. People also have to remember that Kenyon head hunted Mourinho and that brings with it certain ties.

Not against planning. Just don't think the two tier sys is all it's cracked up to be. Continentals love it cause no one in Euro likes to make a descision on his own. blueyes.gif

How are we counting Barton?

Possibly, can't say I know what you mean. Sweeper who has license to come forward and act as a deep lying playmaker. Isn't that a Libero? Catenaccio is the formation in which he would play. That's right baby. In games like the one on Saturday a defender out of the two could play that role to a degree, anyway. I'm desperate to see Rozehnal in particular given a bit of an "Albert" licence to bring the ball out of defence, not to the extent of Philippe, but it would help us out massively going forward IMO, because yesterday there was no pressure on he/Taylor at all. Definitely a good shout and something I hope we look at when teams come and park 11 players behind the ball. Viduka versus two centre-halves is not going to cut the mustard. As for the question in the OP, talking from a SJP perspective against teams like Villa: Given Milner Rozehnal Cacapa Enrique Geremi Barton Emre Owen Viduka Martins Not jinxing the Belletti move by including him, same goes for Faye. Damien Duff is out for yonks, but would be pushing on top-form. My vendetta against Carr sees him ousted in favour of the undroppable Milner to raid from the RB position, my desire to see footballing centre-halves at some sees Taylor omitted in favour of the Brazilian/Czech combination and Enrique comes in on the left to add some more height/power to the team ahead of N'Zogbia. Charlie would get a place on the bench, alongside Harper, Duff, Smith and Ameobi, which looks full of promise to me, fuck defenders. Aye, not sure how that front-three would work exactly, but I think they have enough about them to perform well together, especially with that midfield behind them and two full-backs who can push forward effectively to provide them with some bullets. Would be exciting, if nowt else. There is a reason you're my top football poster. blueyes.gif ....I agree Rozy has the wherewithall to compress the midfield by bringing the ball forward. Suddenly we have the extra man and they find it harder to 'hold the line' and are without wanting to defending deep. Played correctly one (the quickest) full back covers. This would as you clearly realise takes some of the inflexibility out of what atm seems like a 'clunky' formation.

Possibly, can't say I know what you mean. Sweeper who has license to come forward and act as a deep lying playmaker. Isn't that a Libero? Catenaccio is the formation in which he would play. That's right baby.

Possibly, can't say I know what you mean. Sweeper who has license to come forward and act as a deep lying playmaker.

THeir interest is a bit late, the whale has left.

Have you considered the catannacio Shakky?