Dr Venkman

Despite Williamson being 6'4, he's pretty weak in the air. no he isnt

learning from the mistakes of others is a good start

imo it's only good news if we play our best centre half pairing when fit, and that doesnt involve taylor

and he'd have been wrong as well to be fair, mistakes cost us this. it just really bothers me when people change things for the sake of making a decision, souness anyone?

nah, i'm sorry. recently we've looked good in a 4-4-2 with barton on the right and williamson at the back, pardew got this wrong.

i fucking hate pardew already

cutting your losses is called cutting your losses because you take less than you want in order to stop losing money.

What are your proposals then? Not to support the team, obviously. coming from someone that advocates booing based on results and not effort or performances. the mind boggles. Don't remember ever saying that like. oh come on, your comments in the Fulham match thread were very much in that vain. you can't be a soopafan who supports through thick and thin AND try and justify your booing a draw of a newly promoted team sitting in 7th. well you can if you want but you don't have much credibility. It wasn't result based, it was performance based. We weren't good enough, and West Ham's performance against Fulham yesterday highlighted exactly that - it shattered the idea on this forum that Fulham were this great team that we handled well - they were there for the taking and we didn't want it enough. As far the whole booing thing, that's after the match. Before or after the match, you can say/do/protest whatever you want, but from the 1st minute to the last, support the team rather than these pathetic Ashley chants. so you'd boo if we played badly and got a decent result then? booing a draw against anyone is drastically missing the bigger picture when we've just been promoted and we're 7th in the league, but this is just re-hashing an old argument that we'll never see eye to eye on i reckon. i agree the ashley chants wont achieve anything, but the ultimate pathetic act is giving the bloke your money in the first place. No I wouldn't boo after a decent result/poor performance, but that's the point - I don't think it was a decent enough result. They were there for the taking and we failed to grab it with both hands, and West Ham showed yesterday just how poor Fulham are when pushed. But aye, it's an old argument and completely irrelevant to this thread, so there's no point in carrying it on. That's the point I was trying to make with the original post that you quoted - we're stuck in a hard place here. People buying tickets for the match, buying replica shirts etc. aren't necessarily doing so to put money in Ashley's pockets. It's our aim to support the team and the club (otherwise we wouldn't be supporters), if we go out of our way to stop putting money in Ashley's pocket, we'll start harming the team be it through support in the stands, or money into the coffers. Ashley is stubborn, and will probably hold on a lot longer than the club could cling on for. If we put our hands in our pockets, we hand it to Ashley. If we don't, we starve the club. It's a tough one. it'd be interesting to hear someone with decent knowledge of finances comment on how starving the club of cash would affect it, and ashley in turn. i happen to think that if the club was losing money weekly, on massive scale that he'd cut his losses. Unfortunately if that was the case, he'd have jump shipped after relegation. not when he can still rely on 40k plus turning up every week? But I imagine we were making massive losses considering the revenue difference between Championship and Premier League - surely more loss than losing a couple of seats and burger sales every week? oh definitely. that's why the tactic i propose only works on a massive scale, but if we stayed away, and we stayed away for as long as it took, i dont think it would take long. that said, my principals simply wont let me hand over money to ashley whilst he grins through fucking us over time after time.

What are your proposals then? Not to support the team, obviously. coming from someone that advocates booing based on results and not effort or performances. the mind boggles. Don't remember ever saying that like. oh come on, your comments in the Fulham match thread were very much in that vain. you can't be a soopafan who supports through thick and thin AND try and justify your booing a draw of a newly promoted team sitting in 7th. well you can if you want but you don't have much credibility. It wasn't result based, it was performance based. We weren't good enough, and West Ham's performance against Fulham yesterday highlighted exactly that - it shattered the idea on this forum that Fulham were this great team that we handled well - they were there for the taking and we didn't want it enough. As far the whole booing thing, that's after the match. Before or after the match, you can say/do/protest whatever you want, but from the 1st minute to the last, support the team rather than these pathetic Ashley chants. so you'd boo if we played badly and got a decent result then? booing a draw against anyone is drastically missing the bigger picture when we've just been promoted and we're 7th in the league, but this is just re-hashing an old argument that we'll never see eye to eye on i reckon. i agree the ashley chants wont achieve anything, but the ultimate pathetic act is giving the bloke your money in the first place. No I wouldn't boo after a decent result/poor performance, but that's the point - I don't think it was a decent enough result. They were there for the taking and we failed to grab it with both hands, and West Ham showed yesterday just how poor Fulham are when pushed. But aye, it's an old argument and completely irrelevant to this thread, so there's no point in carrying it on. That's the point I was trying to make with the original post that you quoted - we're stuck in a hard place here. People buying tickets for the match, buying replica shirts etc. aren't necessarily doing so to put money in Ashley's pockets. It's our aim to support the team and the club (otherwise we wouldn't be supporters), if we go out of our way to stop putting money in Ashley's pocket, we'll start harming the team be it through support in the stands, or money into the coffers. Ashley is stubborn, and will probably hold on a lot longer than the club could cling on for. If we put our hands in our pockets, we hand it to Ashley. If we don't, we starve the club. It's a tough one. it'd be interesting to hear someone with decent knowledge of finances comment on how starving the club of cash would affect it, and ashley in turn. i happen to think that if the club was losing money weekly, on massive scale that he'd cut his losses. Unfortunately if that was the case, he'd have jump shipped after relegation. not when he can still rely on 40k plus turning up every week?

exactly, i can't see any way he's signed it under that pretence though. it's very very worrying because collocini for one is half the player with the wrong type of player next to him. williamson and collocini complement each other well, taylor's just so un-convincing. average in the air, average at reading the game, usually the defensive equivalent of smith, getting caught out of position and spending most of his time sliding around on his arse.

What are your proposals then? Not to support the team, obviously. coming from someone that advocates booing based on results and not effort or performances. the mind boggles. Don't remember ever saying that like. oh come on, your comments in the Fulham match thread were very much in that vain. you can't be a soopafan who supports through thick and thin AND try and justify your booing a draw of a newly promoted team sitting in 7th. well you can if you want but you don't have much credibility. It wasn't result based, it was performance based. We weren't good enough, and West Ham's performance against Fulham yesterday highlighted exactly that - it shattered the idea on this forum that Fulham were this great team that we handled well - they were there for the taking and we didn't want it enough. As far the whole booing thing, that's after the match. Before or after the match, you can say/do/protest whatever you want, but from the 1st minute to the last, support the team rather than these pathetic Ashley chants. so you'd boo if we played badly and got a decent result then? booing a draw against anyone is drastically missing the bigger picture when we've just been promoted and we're 7th in the league, but this is just re-hashing an old argument that we'll never see eye to eye on i reckon. i agree the ashley chants wont achieve anything, but the ultimate pathetic act is giving the bloke your money in the first place. No I wouldn't boo after a decent result/poor performance, but that's the point - I don't think it was a decent enough result. They were there for the taking and we failed to grab it with both hands, and West Ham showed yesterday just how poor Fulham are when pushed. But aye, it's an old argument and completely irrelevant to this thread, so there's no point in carrying it on. That's the point I was trying to make with the original post that you quoted - we're stuck in a hard place here. People buying tickets for the match, buying replica shirts etc. aren't necessarily doing so to put money in Ashley's pockets. It's our aim to support the team and the club (otherwise we wouldn't be supporters), if we go out of our way to stop putting money in Ashley's pocket, we'll start harming the team be it through support in the stands, or money into the coffers. Ashley is stubborn, and will probably hold on a lot longer than the club could cling on for. If we put our hands in our pockets, we hand it to Ashley. If we don't, we starve the club. It's a tough one. it'd be interesting to hear someone with decent knowledge of finances comment on how starving the club of cash would affect it, and ashley in turn. i happen to think that if the club was losing money weekly, on massive scale that he'd cut his losses.

he'll go in the summer when we can get more for him, pardew will tell us it's for the good of the club and squad building.

we'll get hammered. the games against wigan and west ham will take on even more importance as the table's already looking a little bit precarious

What are your proposals then? Not to support the team, obviously. coming from someone that advocates booing based on results and not effort or performances. the mind boggles. Don't remember ever saying that like. oh come on, your comments in the Fulham match thread were very much in that vain. you can't be a soopafan who supports through thick and thin AND try and justify your booing a draw of a newly promoted team sitting in 7th. well you can if you want but you don't have much credibility. It wasn't result based, it was performance based. We weren't good enough, and West Ham's performance against Fulham yesterday highlighted exactly that - it shattered the idea on this forum that Fulham were this great team that we handled well - they were there for the taking and we didn't want it enough. As far the whole booing thing, that's after the match. Before or after the match, you can say/do/protest whatever you want, but from the 1st minute to the last, support the team rather than these pathetic Ashley chants. so you'd boo if we played badly and got a decent result then? booing a draw against anyone is drastically missing the bigger picture when we've just been promoted and we're 7th in the league, but this is just re-hashing an old argument that we'll never see eye to eye on i reckon. i agree the ashley chants wont achieve anything, but the ultimate pathetic act is giving the bloke your money in the first place.

enrique needs to renew does he not?

mixed feelings, happy that he's signed because we need the cover, but i'm afraid that he'll be first choice. whatever the differences of opinion on him and williamson, i fail to see how anyone can argue we look a better team with taylor in the side.

What are your proposals then? Not to support the team, obviously. coming from someone that advocates booing based on results and not effort or performances. the mind boggles. Don't remember ever saying that like. oh come on, your comments in the Fulham match thread were very much in that vain. you can't be a soopafan who supports through thick and thin AND try and justify your booing a draw of a newly promoted team sitting in 7th. well you can if you want but you don't have much credibility.

What are your proposals then? Not to support the team, obviously. coming from someone that advocates booing based on results and not effort or performances. the mind boggles.

I heard it 3 times in level 7. And he's still here. Fuck me what do we have to do to get rid of him? stop giving him your money

because williamson's a better defender than taylor. of all the things to change, our previously settled, well performing CB pairing was a stupid change. if taylor's signing that new contract on the understanding that he's in the starting 11 pardew's an idiot, he's been out for months ffs what does he expect?

lock, ban

we should have started with this team ffs, it wasnt exactly a leap of faith

fucking pathetic team selection today, changed everything that was good about us with no reason, wanker. Taylor for Williamson, otherwise that's the same team Hughton played many a time. so i've just been imagining us playing 4-4-2 recently with barton on the right and being much better for it? stop trying to be clever

fucking pathetic team selection today, changed everything that was good about us with no reason, wanker.

taylor, 4-5-1. routledge, barton in the middle. right