Dr Venkman

heard this one has been wrapped up

Seriously, why?! Because no matter how fat or s*** nolan has been for you he could never be as s*** as Butt, colo, Cacapa Trust me, he's no better than Nicky Butt. i dont trust you because he is

hang on a minute, butt still hasnt signed a new contract has he? i'm getting a semi

SSN: 4.5 Million

he's playing under megson though, our manager will.....oh wait, no

yup, thats what we've got to look forward to until guthrie's back, at which point if he doesnt drop butt i'll personally kill JFK

no, but we've slowly and surely become FUCKING RUBBISH

fuck it, make him captain on sunday, who else is there? beye given barton all out and no-one else deserves it/is worth it

having had a minute to think about it, if this gets butt out of the team then i'm ecstatic

cant complain too much, we need players, especially CM's

our hopes are now placed on oba's low but broad shoulders

its time for nile

we're selling our best keeper, our best defender is out for ages, our best midfielder is out for ages, our best striker is out for ages. i'm really worried now

what an absolute fucking disaster

he would of always had failed with that type of football at any decent sized club By appointing such a manager FS without actually saying as such basically admitted we needed to put an end to the wild transfer ways, high wages and any behind the scenes meddling by board directors. which is why we brought in smith barton, viduka and geremi on massive wages? Smith, Barton and Geremi came after FS didn't they? Viduka on big wages is natural as he was a free transfer. Not that Big Sam would have anything to do with the wages anyway, that's down to agents, chairmen and accountants. i was getting at the point that you seemed to suggest that with allardyce came a drop in wages we paid to players. are you suggesting that if shepherd had been there we would have brought in WORSE players than those four? No, that's you using some flawed logic of yours. I don't know who would have arrived, maybe the very same players we did end up buying on the very same wages, or maybe not. 'By appointing such a manager FS without actually saying as such basically admitted we needed to put an end to the wild transfer ways, high wages' if you're going to get your handbag out and call my logic flawed then please explain what exactly i was supposed to take from that, if it isnt that Allardyce would sign players on lower wages than we were used to?

he would of always had failed with that type of football at any decent sized club By appointing such a manager FS without actually saying as such basically admitted we needed to put an end to the wild transfer ways, high wages and any behind the scenes meddling by board directors. which is why we brought in smith barton, viduka and geremi on massive wages? Smith, Barton and Geremi came after FS didn't they? Viduka on big wages is natural as he was a free transfer. Not that Big Sam would have anything to do with the wages anyway, that's down to agents, chairmen and accountants. i was getting at the point that you seemed to suggest that with allardyce came a drop in wages we paid to players. are you suggesting that if shepherd had been there we would have brought in WORSE players than those four?

i love it when people attribute all the different views on the forum to the same mind in order to criticise

he would of always had failed with that type of football at any decent sized club By appointing such a manager FS without actually saying as such basically admitted we needed to put an end to the wild transfer ways, high wages and any behind the scenes meddling by board directors. which is why we brought in smith barton, viduka and geremi on massive wages?

I think I agree with that and I think he will do a good job at Blackburn, for them, like Bolton. You were pleased when we appointed him too. Do you think we should have kept him? mandiarse is your man (or girl). debate really doesnt get any better than this

I'd be more curious to know which clubs run at a loss WITH debt. Half the PL?? How many have owners who guarantee the debt? Just saying you can't have your cake and eat it. Buying and selling players, hiring managers is a lottery. Look at the state Spurs are in and Liverpool will be in if they don't qual CL this season. Thats the point, Liverpool will be in pretty much the same place as we are in now if they dont quaify. If that were to happen, they would go 2 ways, they will gamble like we did and pump more money in (if possilbe) or they'll sell players, id hazard a guess and say they'd sell. What happened in 2004 to us, will be pretty much the saem situation that Liverpool would be in should they fail to qualify. The decisoin to appoint Souness is the key to this whole arguement, the decision toback him heavily compunds that decison as it backfired spectacularly. If a manager with merit was appointed and the gamble was the same, you'd still get your morons ciriticisng the appoinment and backing but the sensible ones will see the merits of the decison. their current manager will certainly demand they buy, and their supporters would back him up Providing he's hasnt been sacked for not qualifying... he's been on the brink for the last 2 years for not winning the league, and I'm sure you'll take notice of that. I dont think him not winning the league has anything to do with him "being on the brink", you're probably right about the fans wanting them to gamble - still wouldnt make the decision a correct one. What do you think the fans would do if they sacked Rafa for failing to qualifiy then replaced him with Souness? I haven't got a clue, maybe they will try replacing him with Roy Evans ? You havent got a clue? I think you do but you dont want to admit it sonny, jimbob. Well, yes, but the real question is if they will suffer the disgrace of "going backwards", or if they have a divine right to stay where they are forever. Do you think any scousers would then trace their demise down to signing Torres, Keane, Kuyt and Masherano, and say it shouldn't have been done ? I dont see anyone saying the demise was down to signing Robert, Bellamy or Shearer, I see the majority of the people saying it was down to appointing Souness, backing him with so much money compunded that decision. you can't criticise the decision, and the buys and sales he made, when you agreed with it all and backed it all right up the end. Not saying you did, I don't know if you did or not [did you say the other day that you did ?] but plenty of people DID, such as mandiarse for one. The bigger picture being that they didn't purposely appoint a manager they knew would fuck up, he was THEIR choice, and they backed their choice. Shame soopa Mike didn't back his own appointment in the same way ? Oops, I forgot. You agreed with soopa mike that we shouldn't spend ie waste, any money, didn't you. You mean to say you cant support a decision even though you disagree with it? Thats eseentially what you're saying, I didnt agree with the decision to sack SBR but i supported the decision becasue as a fan thats what i do. I disagreed with the appointments of Roeder, Souness and even remember arguing with you amongst others about the appointment of Allardyce but at the end of the day i supported each and every appointment. Your're right, i have no intention of trying to prove that Shepherd et al decidied to purposely appoint a bad manager, all i can do is highlight the dmetrimental affect it had on the club, which is what im doing. Someone has to be accountable for the decision to appointmnet a bad manager. so you don't see that a numpty who says something like "souness is doing the right thing getting rid of the cancer like Alex ferguson did", or "mike ashley is doing the right thing by appointing a DOF (to undermine the manager)" and agreeing with these decisions, is different to saying you think it is a mistake but you hope it works out because you support the club ? Of course you have the hindsight queens like mandiarse who has agreed with at least 3 of the last boards appointments on this very message board (and probably 4 but he's too modest to admit it), and their actions while they were the manager, but now denies it Actually i do see your point, if they supported the decsion and agreed with the decision then they should be in no posiiton to cirticise that decision, thats a fair point. if you rely on very basic reasoning, if however you see the benefit of evaluting evidence you can criticise absolutely anything at all. i've already said this but what the hell....shepherd agreed with his decision didnt he? does that mean that he cant now be self critical as that would go against NE5's golden rule?

me too my questions.. 1) Have you already started the search for our next manager? 2) If not, why not? 3) Do you think Joe Kinnear is the right man for the NUFC managers job? 4) If so, given his shocking record, why?

where has the money from all the other clubs came from ie apart from Chelsea and Man City ? My earlier question/point was exactly the same question. The point others are making seems to be that they would be happy to stop competing and support a solvent club that spends years not attempting to make a challenge ? And my view of that is personally, I wouldn't want that because I've seen it, and the real effects of it, and also those that think they want it, wouldn't like it at all if they got it, just like now they don't like Ashley now the automatic improvement they expected with "any" new owner hasn't happened(although getting them to admit it is like pulling teeth) Completely ignored my question and yet again put a set of words in mine and others' mouths. Good stuff, cheers. its never, ever worth it mate

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now i have a non footballing reason to dislike you