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Because it potentially weakened this club. Can I ask who did Shearer impress by agreeing with the ref and what benefit that brought this club? So he should have moaned on like that c*** Kinnear would have, even though it was a blatant sending off? If a decision is clearly right, then it is clearly right and moaning on about it would have just gotten us more negative press considering it was Barton of all people. When you have about 4 games left to save your club and one of your players does what Barton did there are more important things to worry about than making yourself look like a prat by moaning on about something which was actually justified. To repeat,(because you haven't answered) who did he impress and what benefit did it bring this club?

Because it potentially weakened this club. Can I ask who did Shearer impress by agreeing with the ref and what benefit that brought this club? This is the crux of your argument. You believe it would never have been rescinded, I believe there was a slim chance it could have been. As we are now relegated I would have taken that slim chance with both hands if it meant the difference between staying up and being relegated. As it is we'll never know...............................................

Ok I'll now compare my 6 year old nephew to Pele. Wor Isaac has played about 8 games while Pele had a career stretching decades. So obviously they can be compared can't they? FFS what is wrong with people?

Oh yeah without a shadow of doubt. West Brom away isn't it?

No no no no. No my entire argument is that it was a stupid move to immediately endorse the ref's decision. As i mentioned those are the actions of a MOTD pundit NOT those of a manager of NUFC putting the team first. See above So the comparison is with Souness. As you said: Only you can't compare them as Fergie would never do anything as amateurish as that. Shearer is nowhere near the calibre of manager Fergie is so how could I compare them?

It must have been the quickest argument in history as Shearer was on TV within 2 mins of the final whistle. I suggest you read Fredbob's post on page 105 (which you quoted) and you'd see there are more names than Fergies being mentioned. In fact if you read that post again you'll see Shearer is specifically NOT being compared to Fergie. No it backs up my argument that he should have shut his trap and quietly appealed. We had nothing to lose by doing that but what benefit did Shearer speaking his mind actually give us? We were desperate after the Liverpool game, I would have said an appeal (no matter how slim its chances were of success) should have been an option for us. But to repeat again Shearers comments ended any thought of that. The post says: and So yeah there are other names; they are Premier League and Champions League winners. Reads like a comparison to me like. Shearer = Keane/Ince/Souness. Shearer ≠ Rafa/Wenger/Mourinho/Fergie/Guardiola. Therefore Shearer = s***. And not being compared to Fergie.

Not as ridiculous as someone who thinks that's Shearers only mistake as manager. Sticking with his inept old pal as first choice striker in the early games wasn't such a good move either was it? But I forgot - "Big Al shows balls to drop his best mate like that"

No one is saying that. He never said 'probably' at all his exact words were "It WAS a stupid tackle AND he deserved to be sent off. From the moment he uttered those words there was no chance of getting this decision appealed, none whatsoever. That's what you aren't getting. The rest of your posts discusses events after this interview so its pointless addressing them. So your issue is that basically you didn't think it was a red card? Well I did. Even if the decision was debatable there was no chance on earth of it being rescinded. Absolutely no chance whatsoever, and it's clear that Shearer knew this. What about the argument they had in front of the rest of the players? Is it pointless addressing that? The argument they had in front of the players AFTER that interview Dave? When Shearer remembered he wasn't still a pundit on MOTD? TBH I wouldn't like to comment on it but Shearer is obviously unhappy with Barton in the post match interview and I don't know if Barton saw him give his comments live on TV. Everything else would be speculation but to be publicly condemned and hung out to dry by your own manager would not have helped the situation. To repeat Fredbobs comments - when does Fergie ever act like this? As for the decision I see its now 'absolutely no chance whatsoever' of it being rescinded whereas before shearer said it was 'probably' deserved. Hmmmmmmmmmm All I'll say is if we bothered to appeal Bassong's red we really should have had the chance to appeal Barton's. Only there was no chance of that after that interview was there? perhaps shearer was just irate that barton has not only undergerformed in his time here but has behaved on the pitch like a complete t*** too many times ? Perhaps an irate manager was not what we needed. fairly sure i've even heard wenger and mourinho be honest on a couple with some sendings off. if we had a manager like ferguson who lied through his teeth all the time (as opposed to wengeres most the time) i'd have little respect for him. i really don't think man utd would be anyworse a team if ferguson was honest if one of his players got sent off.....do you ? i remember robson being honest on this sort of thing...who do you respect more as a man...robson or ferguson ? It's a bit wierd that. The last sentence doesn'yt appear in your post but it's there when I quoted you Anyway the answer to that is always SBR. And while I have heard Wenger and Mourinho occasionally (very occasionally) condemn their players publicly 99% of the time they either 'didn't see the incident" (Wenger) or they say nothing at all. That was what we needed after the Liverpool game, Shearer letting his emotions rule his head did this club no good whatsoever. No good as in what though? Did we play worse in the last three games because Barton wasn't allowed to train? OK lets join the dots Dave. Why wasn't Barton allowed to train? - Because Shearer suspended him Why? - because they had a bust up in the dressing room (shock horror what a rarity in football) - and because he was looking at a 3 match ban for the sending off. Could we appeal that sending off? - no Why? - because the manager confirmed the decision as correct in a knee jerk fashion. What I'm saying is that a calmer manager would have handled the situation differently and might (just might) have got our best midfielder back for the last 2 games of the season. That would have benefitted this club, what happened did not.

Oh FFS Dave It must have been the quickest argument in history as Shearer was on TV within 2 mins of the final whistle. I suggest you read Fredbob's post on page 105 (which you quoted) and you'd see there are more names than Fergies being mentioned. In fact if you read that post again you'll see Shearer is specifically NOT being compared to Fergie. No it backs up my argument that he should have shut his trap and quietly appealed. We had nothing to lose by doing that but what benefit did Shearer speaking his mind actually give us? We were desperate after the Liverpool game, I would have said an appeal (no matter how slim its chances were of success) should have been an option for us. But to repeat again Shearers comments ended any thought of that.

No one is saying that. He never said 'probably' at all his exact words were "It WAS a stupid tackle AND he deserved to be sent off. From the moment he uttered those words there was no chance of getting this decision appealed, none whatsoever. That's what you aren't getting. The rest of your posts discusses events after this interview so its pointless addressing them. So your issue is that basically you didn't think it was a red card? Well I did. Even if the decision was debatable there was no chance on earth of it being rescinded. Absolutely no chance whatsoever, and it's clear that Shearer knew this. What about the argument they had in front of the rest of the players? Is it pointless addressing that? The argument they had in front of the players AFTER that interview Dave? When Shearer remembered he wasn't still a pundit on MOTD? TBH I wouldn't like to comment on it but Shearer is obviously unhappy with Barton in the post match interview and I don't know if Barton saw him give his comments live on TV. Everything else would be speculation but to be publicly condemned and hung out to dry by your own manager would not have helped the situation. To repeat Fredbobs comments - when does Fergie ever act like this? As for the decision I see its now 'absolutely no chance whatsoever' of it being rescinded whereas before shearer said it was 'probably' deserved. Hmmmmmmmmmm All I'll say is if we bothered to appeal Bassong's red we really should have had the chance to appeal Barton's. Only there was no chance of that after that interview was there? perhaps shearer was just irate that barton has not only undergerformed in his time here but has behaved on the pitch like a complete t*** too many times ? Perhaps an irate manager was not what we needed. fairly sure i've even heard wenger and mourinho be honest on a couple with some sendings off. if we had a manager like ferguson who lied through his teeth all the time (as opposed to wengeres most the time) i'd have little respect for him. i really don't think man utd would be anyworse a team if ferguson was honest if one of his players got sent off.....do you ? i remember robson being honest on this sort of thing...who do you respect more as a man...robson or ferguson ? No one is saying that. He never said 'probably' at all his exact words were "It WAS a stupid tackle AND he deserved to be sent off. From the moment he uttered those words there was no chance of getting this decision appealed, none whatsoever. That's what you aren't getting. The rest of your posts discusses events after this interview so its pointless addressing them. So your issue is that basically you didn't think it was a red card? Well I did. Even if the decision was debatable there was no chance on earth of it being rescinded. Absolutely no chance whatsoever, and it's clear that Shearer knew this. What about the argument they had in front of the rest of the players? Is it pointless addressing that? The argument they had in front of the players AFTER that interview Dave? When Shearer remembered he wasn't still a pundit on MOTD? TBH I wouldn't like to comment on it but Shearer is obviously unhappy with Barton in the post match interview and I don't know if Barton saw him give his comments live on TV. Everything else would be speculation but to be publicly condemned and hung out to dry by your own manager would not have helped the situation. To repeat Fredbobs comments - when does Fergie ever act like this? As for the decision I see its now 'absolutely no chance whatsoever' of it being rescinded whereas before shearer said it was 'probably' deserved. Hmmmmmmmmmm All I'll say is if we bothered to appeal Bassong's red we really should have had the chance to appeal Barton's. Only there was no chance of that after that interview was there? perhaps shearer was just irate that barton has not only undergerformed in his time here but has behaved on the pitch like a complete t*** too many times ? Perhaps an irate manager was not what we needed. fairly sure i've even heard wenger and mourinho be honest on a couple with some sendings off. if we had a manager like ferguson who lied through his teeth all the time (as opposed to wengeres most the time) i'd have little respect for him. i really don't think man utd would be anyworse a team if ferguson was honest if one of his players got sent off.....do you ? i remember robson being honest on this sort of thing...who do you respect more as a man...robson or ferguson ? It's a bit wierd that. The last sentence doesn'yt appear in your post but it's there when I quoted you Anyway the answer to that is always SBR. And while I have heard Wenger and Mourinho occasionally (very occasionally) condemn their players publicly 99% of the time they either 'didn't see the incident" (Wenger) or they say nothing at all. That was what we needed after the Liverpool game, Shearer letting his emotions rule his head did this club no good whatsoever.

No one is saying that. He never said 'probably' at all his exact words were "It WAS a stupid tackle AND he deserved to be sent off. From the moment he uttered those words there was no chance of getting this decision appealed, none whatsoever. That's what you aren't getting. The rest of your posts discusses events after this interview so its pointless addressing them. So your issue is that basically you didn't think it was a red card? Well I did. Even if the decision was debatable there was no chance on earth of it being rescinded. Absolutely no chance whatsoever, and it's clear that Shearer knew this. What about the argument they had in front of the rest of the players? Is it pointless addressing that? The argument they had in front of the players AFTER that interview Dave? When Shearer remembered he wasn't still a pundit on MOTD? TBH I wouldn't like to comment on it but Shearer is obviously unhappy with Barton in the post match interview and I don't know if Barton saw him give his comments live on TV. Everything else would be speculation but to be publicly condemned and hung out to dry by your own manager would not have helped the situation. To repeat Fredbobs comments - when does Fergie ever act like this? As for the decision I see its now 'absolutely no chance whatsoever' of it being rescinded whereas before shearer said it was 'probably' deserved. Hmmmmmmmmmm All I'll say is if we bothered to appeal Bassong's red we really should have had the chance to appeal Barton's. Only there was no chance of that after that interview was there? perhaps shearer was just irate that barton has not only undergerformed in his time here but has behaved on the pitch like a complete t*** too many times ? Perhaps an irate manager was not what we needed.

No one is saying that. He never said 'probably' at all his exact words were "It WAS a stupid tackle AND he deserved to be sent off. From the moment he uttered those words there was no chance of getting this decision appealed, none whatsoever. That's what you aren't getting. The rest of your posts discusses events after this interview so its pointless addressing them. So your issue is that basically you didn't think it was a red card? Well I did. Even if the decision was debatable there was no chance on earth of it being rescinded. Absolutely no chance whatsoever, and it's clear that Shearer knew this. What about the argument they had in front of the rest of the players? Is it pointless addressing that? The argument they had in front of the players AFTER that interview Dave? When Shearer remembered he wasn't still a pundit on MOTD? TBH I wouldn't like to comment on it but Shearer is obviously unhappy with Barton in the post match interview and I don't know if Barton saw him give his comments live on TV. Everything else would be speculation but to be publicly condemned and hung out to dry by your own manager would not have helped the situation. To repeat Fredbobs comments - when does Fergie ever act like this? As for the decision I see its now 'absolutely no chance whatsoever' of it being rescinded whereas before shearer said it was 'probably' deserved. Hmmmmmmmmmm All I'll say is if we bothered to appeal Bassong's red we really should have had the chance to appeal Barton's. Only there was no chance of that after that interview was there?

Dave No one is saying that. He never said 'probably' at all his exact words were "It WAS a stupid tackle AND he deserved to be sent off. From the moment he uttered those words there was no chance of getting this decision appealed, none whatsoever. That's what you aren't getting. The rest of your posts discusses events after this interview so its pointless addressing them.

:lol: Yep, Fergie is well known for his softly-softly approach. Come on Dave. Imagine Man United have a player sent off in a crucial match during the season. Does Fergie : A - say f*** all about the incident in front of the cameras after the game (the quietly launch an appeal against the decision when the furore has died down) or B - immediatly come out and condemn the player confirming the ref's decision was the correct one? I think we both know the answer to that one. How did Shearer condemn the player? It WAS a stupid tackle and it WAS probably deserving of a red card. What else do you expect him to say? As if you're defending Joey f***ing Barton - after everything he's done here - to criticise Shearer. Where have I defended Barton? More to the point we appealed against Bassongs red card which was far more clear cut than Bartons IMO. Again to agree with Fredbob Shearer's reaction immediately after the game was not in the best interest of NUFC. What was the argument for Barton ? The argument for Bassong was he wasn't really last man. He was but anything was worth a try. You answered that one yourself.

:lol: Yep, Fergie is well known for his softly-softly approach. Come on Dave. Imagine Man United have a player sent off in a crucial match during the season. Does Fergie : A - say f*** all about the incident in front of the cameras after the game (the quietly launch an appeal against the decision when the furore has died down) or B - immediatly come out and condemn the player confirming the ref's decision was the correct one? I think we both know the answer to that one. How did Shearer condemn the player? It WAS a stupid tackle and it WAS probably deserving of a red card. What else do you expect him to say? As if you're defending Joey f***ing Barton - after everything he's done here - to criticise Shearer. Where have I defended Barton? More to the point we appealed against Bassongs red card which was far more clear cut than Bartons IMO. Again to agree with Fredbob Shearer's reaction immediately after the game was not in the best interest of NUFC.

:lol: Yep, Fergie is well known for his softly-softly approach. Come on Dave. Imagine Man United have a player sent off in a crucial match during the season. Does Fergie : A - say fuck all about the incident in front of the cameras after the game (the quietly launch an appeal against the decision when the furore has died down) or B - immediatly come out and condemn the player confirming the ref's decision was the correct one? I think we both know the answer to that one.

It was done publicly because Shearer still thought he was a pundit on MOTD when interviewed after the Liverpool game, and not the manager of Newcastle United. I agree with Fredbob the situation could have been handled a lot better.

A few people apparently. Whichever way you look at it Newcastle has bags of potential and so would be a good investment. So people keep saying. I've seen less bias in the Daily Mail. So you're saying looking at the situation objectively it doesn't seem like an attractive proposition? We used to get the third biggest crowds in the country man. Fyp

What makes you think they were 110% certain? Even during Shearers reign we were getting sound-bites Kinnear will definitely be back.. Look how pissed off Llambias is at Shearer's press conference it didn't look like he supported him there. That statement at the end of the season could be seen as merely masking the disappointment of relegation and trying to appease the fans. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/26/alan-shearer-mike-ashley-newcastle

^It could take another month before any takeover is complete. We need a manager now before we lose any more time on our competitors next season. By all accounts both interested parties want Shearer as manager anyway so why not appoint him to get on with the job? Ashley and Llambias were 110% certain they wanted Shearer even when they knew the intention to sell so what's the hold up? As for Allardyce being our manager when the takeover happened I see that as standard practice. Most companies that are taken over have the management structure altered sooner or later.

What exactly has Shearer done except get assurances about the owners intentions - which was to sell. As he is selling what is the point in appointing a manager?? how can you possibly blame Shearer when.. essentially.. you know f*** all about it, you just for some weird reason WANT to blame Shearer He bought the club with a manager it seems the least he could do would be to QUICKLY appoint one before any more time is lost. Also can you think of a club that was sold without a manager being in place?

^Yes - in both cases years after they had ceased to add anything to the club.

Or Alan Shearer

It won't change my mind about Shepherd - I still think he's the last person I'd want to see back. Shearer on the other hand would appear to be stringing the lot of us along with his 'negotiations' with Ashley. Cue another 100 page thread where no blame whatsoever gets apportioned to shearer Stringing us along? I don't follow. Look at the mega thread about it. 90% of the posters blame Ashley for not sorting this mess out after the season has finished. Shearer gets no blame at all (or very little) Meanwhile time passes by and we still don't have a manager in place. A pathetic situation I'm sure you'll agree. If FFS and Shearer end up as chairman and manager I would be mighty suspicious. IMO they both should have left the club years ago