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And it's not idiotic to say a manager is ***** after 8 games? You're the kind of idiot who gives Newcastle fans a bad name. No clue about football. Sometimes it's obvious that some people will never be an effective manager as long as they have a hole in their arse and it points downwards. The list of ex-players who thought they'd make brilliant managers but were spectacular flops is as long as your arm. Some of them didn't even last 8 games............................................. 8 games with that side & following that season is no basis to be making predictions about how good a managers going to be. A tough start to a managerial career is an understatement, he inherited a pile of crap low on confidence and probably wasnt experienced enough to be able to turn it around as quickly as needed. That in no way determines that he'd be a crap manager in the long run. Even then it took a piece of bad luck for us to get relegated. It's the managers job to instill confidence in a squad. You don't do that by sticking with your old buddies. BTW have you noticed that some of those same players now show genuine committment to the club during matches? The 'pile of crap' excuse is no excuse at all given what's happened since then

And it's not idiotic to say a manager is ***** after 8 games? You're the kind of idiot who gives Newcastle fans a bad name. No clue about football. Sometimes it's obvious that some people will never be an effective manager as long as they have a hole in their arse and it points downwards. The list of ex-players who thought they'd make brilliant managers but were spectacular flops is as long as your arm. Some of them didn't even last 8 games............................................. EDIT nice dodging of the question. I might aswell answer it myself, Fergies 8 game winless streak cameafter he'd been in the job 3 years. What an idiotic comparison to make - I'm sure if he started off with Shearers record he wouldn't have lasted past his first Xmas.

The simple question for the simple poster is was this winless streak AT THE START OF HIS CAREER AS MAN UTD BOSS, YES OR NO? If it wasn't at the start it's an idiotic point to bring up

Fergie lost his first 8 games at Man Utd? Wow you learn something new every day

There's something in that. If we have to have Shearer, better sooner rather than later. We've had Shearer as a manager. In case you didn't notice he was shyte

He said 'eternal shame'. He was correct. How so? Sir Bob had lost the dressing room and was losing it on the pitch. No man is invincible, even one as great as Bobby. What he did for us was amazing, but it was time to move on. We didn't start going downhill because we sacked him, we went downhill because we never found an adequate replacement. Sorry mate I can't be arsed to argue with a club parrot trotting out bankrupt excuses. Not today anyway.

Missed that. What was it? "You sacked Bobby Robson", I believe. Meh. Thought thats what they were chanting "You never sack Bobby Robson" IIRC, clowns. The Ipswich fans were being accurate. Our fans singing 'get out of our club you fat cockney b******' was far more disrespectful. There's a time and a place for everything these bellends should realise that.

He said 'eternal shame'. He was correct.

Shearer will offer some kind words of comfort to cheer Keane up after this.

I t.hought you liked that chant. I've always said this place needs a "Sarcasm" smiley for the hard of humour. Like yourself. At least you managed to find the 'celebrate' smiley to endorse your utter lack of class Bit much, coming from you. What a stunning retort. If that's the best you can do I'll very kindly consider myself well and truly put in my place. I'll avoid tangling with a titanic intellect of your calibre in future if your capable of such profound dialogue Oh look I found that sarcasm smiley you were unable to locate.

Leadbetters tackle was on a par with Barton's last season

I t.hought you liked that chant. I've always said this place needs a "Sarcasm" smiley for the hard of humour. Like yourself. At least you managed to find the 'celebrate' smiley to endorse your utter lack of class

I t.hought you liked that chant.

Very classy singing from our fans. Dickheads

That opera singer is beautiful

Greggs sarnies piss all over Subways anyday. Halve the cost and twice the taste plus much fresher ingredients.

Remind me again of how many clubs he's been manager of that he HASN'T walked out on ? (None ?) Don't most managers walk out of clubs? There's only three bloody eventualities: sacked, walked, end of contract (rare). No most managers get the sack. Walking out is as rare as seeing out one's contract but there is a 4th option - the manager gets transferred with their old club compensated by their new one (Souness anybody?)

If this was simply about the money why didn't he just see his contract out until it ended or he got sacked? His natural proven reaction is to walk away...he walked and still wants paying for it. You do know the man in your avatar and signature 'fleeced' the club when he left? No he didn't. His contract was a rolling12 months, if he was SACKED he was owed 12 months worth of money, simple as. What's the difference between that and Keegan being forced out of his job with three years still left on his contract and wanting that money? That's assuming that the tribunal rules in Keegan's favour. Massive assumption, and you really have to go on track record, which doesn't favour KK. He didn't get a world class player....Waaaaa He got enforced financial restraints on him (like most jobs).....Waaaaaa His budget changed (like what happens in business)....Waaaaa It wasn't quite what was on the brochure....double fuking waaaaaaaa....s*** happens, people oversell the dream, KK just as guilty of that a few times himself...more waaaaa. He should have told the fans WTF was going on and that he'd stick by us, as apparently he loves the club more than anyone and understands it even more...but instead through in the towel at the 1st sign of resistance. Massive assumption? Possibly, but if someone gets accused of stealing and has been done 2-3 times already for that crime, what would you think? I think very few of the factors you've listed came into his decision. His ability to talk to players and convince them to come was one of his main strengths and that rug was pulled from under him only a few weeks into the job when Wise came in - a decision i'm not entirely sure he knew about or was happy about. Add to the fact he wasn't even able to pick the players the club brought in or sold (something Mike Ashley lied about to us, the fans, in the club magazine a week before Keegan walked out) and the players that were bought were way below par and you've got a situation any manager would have real difficulty working in. On a more personal level I get the feeling from the stories leaked from both sides that NUFC was a boys club for Ashley and his mates. Keegan wasn't one of his mates, he was marginalised and he felt they were making a fool of him. I've heard people who worked alongside Keegan at the club at the time say the same thing. Like you say though, massive assumptions. I have faith the tribunal will find in favour of whoever was in the right. If that was Ashley i'll admit KK was being a petty cock, if that was Keegan I hope you'll stand up and admit he was justified. I doubt it though. You have faith in the legal system? Even if its in Ashley's favour it means pretty much nothing to who was right, the only person(s) who loses out is the club and true associates ie the fans. They've got more chance of coming to a sensible decision than a bunch of fans on a messageboard. How do the fans lose out, by the way? We're already buying nee c*** and selling anything that's not nailed down. Why is this s*** being speiled over and over again by know nowts? How do the fans lose out? Does that really need answering? Rightly or wrongly this sorry saga has probably cost us getting a new owner, its dragged our already shitty name through the swamp/mud we call the British press, its got the fans divided has stalled our season, without a doubt. You're wrong in the head if you think this is the sole reason we've yet to find a buyer, I don't particularly care about the press, a lot of our fans are idiots as shown by yourself and if our season is stalled then God knows what would've happened had this episode been put to bed already. We might've already been promoted! As I said thunderspaz, the effect this case has on the club is minimal. If you are going to be a c*** about this then conversation ends here. You had that base covered pages ago mate The funny thing is had you bothered to read a couple of pages back you would not have repeated the discredited shite you have pedalled

The club was happy to continue to pay Robson, honouring his contract, until he got a new job elsewhere. That wasn't enough for him though, he wanted to be able to get another job (possibly for a rival) and carry on leeching supporter's money off us as well as getting paid for managing another club. So he dragged the club through an expensive court case. It was futile in end for him anyway, as noone wanted him after the out of control dressing room he left at SJP which even the best manager in the world would have found difficult to turn around, and ultimately led to our relegation last season. Ok first of all he didn't get a new job until after his contract with Newcastle would have ended despite being offered jobs in that time. Secondly if someone with a contract is sacked he has to be paid in full for the remaining time of that contract. Getting another job has absolutely no baring on that what so ever. Was he? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_leave So just to clarify this, you are criticising Sir Bobby for claiming for his full contract of a year to be paid after he was sacked yet you're defending Keegan for claiming for the longer terms of his contract to be paid after he walked out?

The club was happy to continue to pay Robson, honouring his contract, until he got a new job elsewhere. That wasn't enough for him though, he wanted to be able to get another job (possibly for a rival) and carry on leeching supporter's money off us as well as getting paid for managing another club. So he dragged the club through an expensive court case. It was futile in end for him anyway, as noone wanted him after the out of control dressing room he left at SJP which even the best manager in the world would have found difficult to turn around, and ultimately led to our relegation last season. Not only do you contradict yourself there but the reality doesn't bear you out either. Bobby was sacked in the August and turned down the Hearts job in the following June and only joined Ireland the following January after that - almost 18 months later.

I just find it disgraceful he wasn't there with all the other Ex England managers, still maybe they forgot Kevin Keegan managed England which would be quite easy to forget considering how out of depth he was in international management. Wooooaaaaahhhh, controversial! I aspect you're right. Yeah you may have a point, IF (and that's a big if I never saw him) Hoddle was there then every living England manager attended except Keegan.

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Well said Fergie

And what was the total cost of Shearer's time here? How about Owen, how much did he cost us again? Shay Given saved more goals than these two scored. Here's another quote from that article you might have missed

Yeah we had a manager who truly loved the club then. It hasn't happened since.