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Are you NE5? If you aren't how do the two of you manage to fit up his arse at the same time? Well you made yourself look a bit of a dumbass.. I said there was logic behind his decisions, not that i supported them. If your unclear of the difference just ask and I will clearly define them for ya. Of course you aren't supporting his decisions. Bobby - "With so much riding on that season needed a shake up" - well take a look at where we are now why don't you? Hire Souness - "Squad discipline problems, some one who would sort that" - yeah he was the right man for the job wasn't he? Hire Roeder - "An amazing run-in post Souness, deserved his chance" - Amazing? - hardly the words of a neutral Hire Fat Sam - "Without a lot of money to back him, rely on him his wheeling and dealing whilst pushing the club upwards. Something he had experience of" - because no one else in football has the experience of Fat Sam You can only put the first two down to logic if you swallow the line that Bobby had lost the dressing room. The last two are blatant excuses no doubt about it.

DCMK excused Fat Fred's blunders by posting: Are you NE5? If you aren't how do the two of you manage to fit up his arse at the same time?

ALL of this - plus the nepotism, constant dealings with the likes of McKay etc AND the way he started the club's downfall by failing to either back SBR or bring in a new manager in the summer of 2003(because he didn't want money spent at that time) - is the reason that, after almost half a century, I will be finished with Newcastle United if it falls under his influence again. Whatever happened in past years, we always had hope that something better may be around the corner, but there is no way I would feel like that with him in charge - if NUFC has to depend on FS taking over to survive, then the club isn't worth a light in my view. Will never enter SJP again if this happens - the club will be a total laughing stock and deservedly-so. My sentiments exactly

Did I say that? What I did say was that the players took the piss out of Hughton, that's on the record from several players and Shearer himself, and they will again in my view. Are you saying that Shearer didn't have, and wouldn't have, a positive affect on player's attitudes and professionalism??? If you are, then you're a bigger idiot than I thought were. Those last 8 games were as bad as the 8 before them. That last 45 mins is the most gutless performance I've seen from ANY NUFC side in the last 30+ years. And Shearer would have taken action against the vast majority of that squad by getting rid of the gutless, overpaid pisstakers, but he hasn't been given the chance. You imply in your posts that you don't rate Shearer as a manager and the failure to preserve our Premier League status was ultimately down to him. If that's the case I think it puts you in a minority of 1. The comment you made that I took exception to is this one My point is they were still taking the piss AFTER he arrived. Again, look at that last 45 mins it was utterly pathetic.

Did I say that? What I did say was that the players took the piss out of Hughton, that's on the record from several players and Shearer himself, and they will again in my view. Are you saying that Shearer didn't have, and wouldn't have, a positive affect on player's attitudes and professionalism??? If you are, then you're a bigger idiot than I thought were. Those last 8 games were as bad as the 8 before them. That last 45 mins is the most gutless performance I've seen from ANY NUFC side in the last 30+ years.

^Yeah that's right - they took the piss 'before Shearer arrived. They were mega professional for those last 8 games weren't they?

Embarassing thread tbh

Fat Fred said: No it wasn't, in fact there was no 'clamour' at all. After all weren't we all supposed to be 'pleasantly surprised' when the club unveiled it's big signing that summer?

Utter bollocks. mate, we know you disaprove of the ashley regime, we know its been a disaster, we know you prefer freddy. you dont have to just be negative all the time you know, you're becoming a bit of a pantomime figure now, NE5 did it so much better. I love a bit of panto. Oh no you don't!

Utter bollox in Rafa's case. Robbie Keane was signed behind his back and he didn't walk out.

Isn't it wierd that Liverpool have never approached Keegan to be their manager over the years?

if he was just a player who had got sent off then yes....but it was more than that rerally wasn't it ? a bit like when you gave examples of clough/ferguson........but neither of them had joey barton and everything that goes with him (oh and by the way clough would often be outspoken in the press about his players and would quite probably have been more outspoken ithan shearer in this instance) Different era with clough but Im sure Paul McGrath was a bit of a handful for Fergie, as was Yorke, not in the same class but the examples are there, SBR consistently got the best out of Bellmay even though he was a jumped up prick and a thug as well, his downfall was probably that he may of been too lenient howeverhe didnt drag the club thorugh the mud when things went wrong. Really struggling for inspiration here, gonna cut my losses. i iunderstand your point i just think joey barton is a different level of knacka and defending him in any way wouldn't have done the club any good. Barton is a nutcase. bartons a violent knacka......you are a nutcase. Does the name Cantona ring any bells when it comes to Fergie's handling of nutjob football players? not quite in bartons psycho league i'm afraid. Are you sure? We are talking about a player who lunged two footed into the crowd on live TV. It's also worth noting Cantona fell out with every manager he served under until Fergie. kicked someone in a crowd is hardly stubbing a cigar out in a team mates eye or attacking a team mate and continuing to do it when he;s out cold,then getting imprisoned for was it plain old assault or abh ? theres falling out with people then there is regular violence. I think you need to know a little bit more about Cantona. From wikipedia: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

if he was just a player who had got sent off then yes....but it was more than that rerally wasn't it ? a bit like when you gave examples of clough/ferguson........but neither of them had joey barton and everything that goes with him (oh and by the way clough would often be outspoken in the press about his players and would quite probably have been more outspoken ithan shearer in this instance) Different era with clough but Im sure Paul McGrath was a bit of a handful for Fergie, as was Yorke, not in the same class but the examples are there, SBR consistently got the best out of Bellmay even though he was a jumped up prick and a thug as well, his downfall was probably that he may of been too lenient howeverhe didnt drag the club thorugh the mud when things went wrong. Really struggling for inspiration here, gonna cut my losses. i iunderstand your point i just think joey barton is a different level of knacka and defending him in any way wouldn't have done the club any good. Barton is a nutcase. bartons a violent knacka......you are a nutcase. Does the name Cantona ring any bells when it comes to Fergie's handling of nutjob football players? not quite in bartons psycho league i'm afraid. Are you sure? We are talking about a player who lunged two footed into the crowd on live TV. It's also worth noting Cantona fell out with every manager he served under until Fergie.

if he was just a player who had got sent off then yes....but it was more than that rerally wasn't it ? a bit like when you gave examples of clough/ferguson........but neither of them had joey barton and everything that goes with him (oh and by the way clough would often be outspoken in the press about his players and would quite probably have been more outspoken ithan shearer in this instance) Different era with clough but Im sure Paul McGrath was a bit of a handful for Fergie, as was Yorke, not in the same class but the examples are there, SBR consistently got the best out of Bellmay even though he was a jumped up prick and a thug as well, his downfall was probably that he may of been too lenient howeverhe didnt drag the club thorugh the mud when things went wrong. Really struggling for inspiration here, gonna cut my losses. i iunderstand your point i just think joey barton is a different level of knacka and defending him in any way wouldn't have done the club any good. Barton is a nutcase. bartons a violent knacka......you are a nutcase. Does the name Cantona ring any bells when it comes to Fergie's handling of nutjob football players?

Bontempi A more experienced manager less chummy with certain players would have been a better choice. No argument from me there the rot started at the top. Jesus fucking Christ we get it. 110 pages of the players were shit/it's not shearer's fault we went down that's been evident from the day he was appointed (check the thread why don't you) He was a gimmick as a manager. An untried manager with zero experience who is supposed to come in with 8 games left and rescue the club in true local hero style is not a gimmick? Ask yourself a question mate.

if he was just a player who had got sent off then yes....but it was more than that rerally wasn't it ? a bit like when you gave examples of clough/ferguson........but neither of them had joey barton and everything that goes with him (oh and by the way clough would often be outspoken in the press about his players and would quite probably have been more outspoken ithan shearer in this instance) Didnt Brian Clough clump Roy Keane in the dressing room ? Clough also turned Kenny Burns from a thug into a class footballer.

...he's the perfect person to bring us back up.

Bontempi Let's just say I would have had more confidence in appointing a proven manager rather than a gimmick like Shearer That sounds spookily like the quote I posted made within hours of the news breaking and before Shearer had taken a single training session. In fact here it is agian, it was in the post you replied to.

So you were impressed. Now what benefit did that bring the club? It sent a message out to the players that pathetic, unproffesional crap like that from Barton is unacceptable especially in the situation we were in. It showed theres a line you dont cross, and letting everyone down in that manner is crossing it. You can say all you like about performances, hiding, not showing etc, but that was such a massive 2 fingers up at his team mates, manager and fans. He was our best player that game until he made that stupid tackle, please don't make out he planned this just to be a t*** to everyone. No, what Im saying is he let his temper (for the millionth time) get to him and let that be put ahead of his team mates, fans and manager. His first game back, and his millionth chance, and he still does that. I agree he was our best player, but unfortunately it seems that a Joey Barton performance isnt without stupidy in amongst it, so in the end it was a terrible performance. I know what your saying, if I was manager I'd love to try and get inside his head and channel that aggression in a positive way. I'd say he needs to sort his head out as a person and come back to football. Tim my point is the manager also let his temper get to him.

Yes Or he could have made the difference between a point and nothing at Villa. But again we'll never know.......................................... This is an impossible subject to comment rationally as very few people can look at Shearer without seeing the sun shine out of his arse. I mean look at this from earlier on in this thread: I've removed the posters name so as not to single anyone out in particular but this was made just over 2 hours after the news broke. Before Shearer had taken a single training session or picked a team people were making excuses as to how he would be blameless if we went down. Nothing has been Shearers fault the blame always lies somewhere else. No 3 game bounce when a new manager takes over? - the players are a shower of shit. Michael Owen can't score in a brothel - let Shearer revitalise his career then when he can't - praise big Al for dropping him as he's his friend. And despite the piss poor run of results in the last 8 games you all seem to think he's the right man for the job. In all honesty, why?

I thoroughly agree with the 'might' part.

So you were impressed. Now what benefit did that bring the club? It sent a message out to the players that pathetic, unproffesional crap like that from Barton is unacceptable especially in the situation we were in. It showed theres a line you dont cross, and letting everyone down in that manner is crossing it. You can say all you like about performances, hiding, not showing etc, but that was such a massive 2 fingers up at his team mates, manager and fans. He was our best player that game until he made that stupid tackle, please don't make out he planned this just to be a twat to everyone.

So you were impressed. Now what benefit did that bring the club? It showed we had a manager that would not stand for an out of control player flying into stupid tackles, he was just being honest and I for one like that in a manager. IF it had been something that did not happen in the ppublic eye then things like that should be kept behind colosed doors but when its infront of a massive crowd and TV cameras what else could he should he say? It did the club NO harm at all, what did the harm was us loseing a player for the rest of the season when we had a weak squad anyway and were fighting a relegarion battle. correct - what did the harm was us losing a player for the rest of the season. Now read my posts properly.

Well I'd wait until he was sold before making a bold statement like that. Never is a very definite word. Do you realise what you are defending is the way events really unfolded and our subsequent relegation? Still at least we didn't have Barton hanging around the squad for those last 3 games, that made all the difference didn't it?

So you were impressed. Now what benefit did that bring the club?