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I'm only going to respond to one point of this typical Ashleyite garbage as I really can't be arsed repeating what I and a number of people who have managed to remove theitr heads from the sand have said thousands of times before. But this one is just not sinking in is it ? FFS he didn't "Loose" any money paying off "our" debts. It's his debts, debts he should have been aware of when he purchased the club if he'd done his due dilligence. If he hasn't budgeted enough money to pay for a club who were in debt, that's his stupid fault but I don't think he's that stupid. All the evidence points to trying to make a quick profit on the club, a little investment in the first team would change that perception, with only 20 days to go till the start of the season, we are still waiting. Debts yes he was aware of, and aware enough to know that he'd get money down the line (in this case TV money) to replace the money he spent paying off the debt. Why the hell should he be expected to come into a club, throw loads of money at a debt he's aware of and just write it off? He bought the club because he managed to get it at a lesser value - because of certain debts. We're only speculating but I'd say a clever man would only buy a club if he had the opportunity to make that money back somewhere down the line. If he doesn't go on a mass spending spree and keeps the TV money or whatever, then he's done that. I couldn't care less if I'm called an 'Ashleyite', I just want someone at the club who is spending within the realms of what it can financially afford - and that was something that wasn't happening under the previous regime. We all know nobody should invest in football if they're looking to make a profit, unless it's a quick sell. To be honest, if Ashley does want to make a quick sale, I really wouldn't be that bothered. He's invested in our youth team, changed a vast majority of the infrastucture at the club and generally made us a much more sound business and football propersition. Some people seem to have both very limited patience, and very very short memories. We have a squad already which is capable of performing to a decent level, it's just under Big Sam we never used our players to their potential. Yes I'm aware the squad is small, and that certain positions are lacking back-up, but that's why we're investing in youth, so we don't have to spend millions on backups and stars when we have them coming through and learning from the players around them. I know it's probably pointless for me to even post this, you'll disagree and you'll be bitching and whining until we go out and sign some superstar on crazy wages - but we have to back Keegan and his players, we have to back the way the club is run at the moment because it has been so much worse in the past and we really don't know what direction we're heading in. There just isn't any point having a go at the board when they're taking their time and trying to do things right in terms of getting stability. And I don't often do this, but ffs if you're going to make a massive point about a word by highlighting it, please at least spell it right 'Loose' is not the same as 'lose'. I'll agree , I don't know what's up with my spelling and typing this morning, I'm even worse than I usually am this morning. Anyway how many times do I have to repeat the same thing before you take it in ? HIS debt, not ours, HIS debt. When he agreed a price for the club factoring in the debt should have been in his equation. I don't give a flying fuck if he has had to write off debt. Yes there is a balancing act between paying off the debt and investing in the team. The problem is we are seeing no attempt at balancing this out, investment has been pathetic so far when revenue generated by sales is taken into account. TBH I would rather he invested some of the cash he's apparently used to pay off the debt on a few more signings. A club going places with a manageable amount of debt is far more preferable to a club who is debt free but sinking into nothingness. At the end of the day what we should expect is for him to invest wisely in the club, if by his investing he makes a nice profit then as long as there is success on the pitch, few could complain. Not too many of us are asking for him to spend bucket loads here, we accept that the club needed a restructure. All we are asking is for him to start spending enough for us not to have to accept yet another season of mediocrity. We have a paper thin squad and the time for action is now, if you can't see that he needs to get a move on then I'm sorry but you've got your head so far up Ashley's arse you can see Dave's feet.

Well Tyne & Wear hasn't been in existence since the 80's I believe. Altough the 5 district councils still work togehter on certain things, the MBC was disolved by thatcher long ago. That's just the council though, not the county. Newcastle upon Tyne isn't in a county anymore as I said Tyne & Wear doesn't exist. It's not like Blyth Valley council where they are still part of Northumberland County Council. There is no overarching "County" Newcastle council reports to. It's the same with Noth Tyneside, South Tyneside, Gateshaead and Sunderland. Damn I'm boring the pants off even myself here

Aye, boring every fucker to death with relentless moaning will definitely help us to get the players we need. Yep, like your continual petty girl fight with NE5, is soooo edge of your seat stuff. MrM's posts are always well written and he makes sound arguments, even if you don't agree with everything he says, you've got to respect that. I don't find his posts boring at all.

I'm not sure you are getting the point here Dave. The guys saying this are suggesting that the extra money is not being invested in the playing squad and we should really at minimum expect this. TBH the facts back them up 100%, our net spend on trasnfers has been pretty has been paultry. I really don't see the relevance in you pointing out that Wigan Athletic got the same amount of money as us ?? And yes there has been plenty of business so far, from teams who need a hell of a lot more work than us. Inflation of player prices. That's the relevance. Increase the supply of money and the prices go up. Unfortunately the quality of the footballers isn't intrinsically linked to their transfer value. That still does not explain the relevance that Fulham have been given 50m and we have been given 50m, so that excuses Ashley from spending the money this money accrued by the club through TV deals ?? That argument leapfrogs over a lot of stuff, doesn't it? Have all the clubs been given 50m for TV rights up front? How much do you want to bet that it's conditional on them staying in the Premier League? While there'll be a general trend in prices increasing due to the injection of money from TV rights I don't expect any single club to blow it all on a player or two that wasn't going to be funded elsewhere anyway. I have no idea if it's 50m tbh, I just used that figure as an example, but I can bet you all you want that we have indead been given a bundle of cash up front and it's not conditional on whether we get relegated at the end of the season. Still people will not answer the question of, why the TV money is not being invested. It appears to be going towards paying of Ashleys costs in purchasing the club rather than spending on the playing staff. Call me selfish but I would rather we had success on the pitch than an owner who is in line to make a huge profit on ihis investment, if he can find a buyer. And that's the thing, if this is Ashley's intention, then he's got to move fast because his asset will soon deminish in value if we continue to neglect the first team.

I'm only going to respond to one point of this typical Ashleyite garbage as I really can't be arsed repeating what I and a number of people who have managed to remove theitr heads from the sand have said thousands of times before. But this one is just not sinking in is it ? FFS he didn't "Loose" any money paying off "our" debts. It's his debts, debts he should have been aware of when he purchased the club if he'd done his due dilligence. If he hasn't budgeted enough money to pay for a club who were in debt, that's his stupid fault but I don't think he's that stupid. All the evidence points to trying to make a quick profit on the club, a little investment in the first team would change that perception, with only 20 days to go till the start of the season, we are still waiting.

Well Tyne & Wear hasn't been in existence since the 80's I believe. Altough the 5 district councils still work togehter on certain things, the MBC was disolved by thatcher long ago.

I'm not sure you are getting the point here Dave. The guys saying this are suggesting that the extra money is not being invested in the playing squad and we should really at minimum expect this. TBH the facts back them up 100%, our net spend on trasnfers has been pretty has been paultry. I really don't see the relevance in you pointing out that Wigan Athletic got the same amount of money as us ?? And yes there has been plenty of business so far, from teams who need a hell of a lot more work than us. Inflation of player prices. That's the relevance. Increase the supply of money and the prices go up. Unfortunately the quality of the footballers isn't intrinsically linked to their transfer value. That still does not explain the relevance that Fulham have been given 50m and we have been given 50m, so that excuses Ashley from spending the money this money accrued by the club through TV deals ??

Can you point me in the direction of the accounts that back up your statement please ? Even if that is true, then Ashley should have been aware of it when he bought the club out. When he bought it he took on the debt, his debt. The club accroding to those that support Ashley is debt free now, apparently. So how is this previous debt relevant to him not spending the money the club has generated itself ? Ashley would never have bought the club had the wages to turnover rate been as unmanigable as you suggest, he's too smart of a businessman to make that mistake. Edit: For clarification, I was responding to nessy's post BTW

I'm not sure you are getting the point here Dave. The guys saying this are suggesting that the extra money is not being invested in the playing squad and we should really at minimum expect this. TBH the facts back them up 100%, our net spend on trasnfers has been pretty has been paultry. I really don't see the relevance in you pointing out that Wigan Athletic got the same amount of money as us ?? And yes there has been plenty of business so far, from teams who need a hell of a lot more work than us.

The hairstyles of players we may or may not be interested in were much better under the old board. LOL, I don't think Role Model is intelligent enough to pick up what you are getting at here. Although he/she/it does have a point I would value both your opinions on other stuff outside the old board/new board debate and as long as you avoid kids like role model's threads you can find them. The problem you guys face though is that because of your previous, even these threads will turn out to be old board/new board debates espiecally when Ozzie and Mick turn on their NE5 post detectors. Or when you start stirring it. Who me, never ;P

The hairstyles of players we may or may not be interested in were much better under the old board. LOL, I don't think Role Model is intelligent enough to pick up what you are getting at here. Although he/she/it does have a point I would value both your opinions on other stuff outside the old board/new board debate and as long as you avoid kids like role model's threads you can find them. The problem you guys face though is that because of your previous, even these threads will turn out to be old board/new board debates espiecally when Ozzie and Mick turn on their NE5 post detectors.

haven't read past this yet but i have to clarify that you're saying the time to ask questions and point fingers is when nothing whatsoever can be done about it? is that what you're saying? that if we start the season with another severly depleted squad in terms of personnel & talent - THAT is the time to ask questions? you can see that makes no sense right i'm not saying that people like me offering opinions on this website could influence events or anything but people like you weren't willing to ask questions prior to the euros, now it's prior to the close of the window...how much grace does this guy get for buying "evil freddie" out? do we wait january out too if he still doesn't fancy paying the asking price for good players? [i'm convinced this is what is going on by the way, behind the scenes, and no i have no 'evidence'] happy i'm not on death row and you lot were representing me, you'd wait til the lethal injection kicked in before opening the file to see if i was guilty Well there you go, then. We haven't got the first clue what's going on, and me making an 'asking questions' thread isn't going to make a blind bit of difference as to whether or not they change their (unknown) policies. If you've got your mind made up, purely through the agenda of certain newspapers and a generally slow transfer window, then you go for it. That's where you and i differ, and that's why our thought processes about it are different. You might think you're in a position to judge, but you're bloody well not; which is why i say wait and see what's gone wrong (if anything) at a more appropriate date than this. rant time: what the f*** are you doing on a football discussion forum? what do they exist for if having an opinion about something is considered bad? please help me out on that one...what are we supposed to do? according to the high and mighty crowd you're in we can't believe a word the papers say (nothing to discuss there then), we can't criticise the club for a lack of transfer activity (nothing to discuss) & we cant have a view about ashley after one year in charge (nothing to discuss) what's this leave us? the next upcoming friendly? design of the shirt? other clubs shirts? what? get a f***ing grip - if you've ever actually read any of my posts you'll know i don't have a fixed view on the club at the moment but anyone with common sense should be worried right now; i'm more than willing to worship at the church of ashley but he's got some convincing to do nothing, i repeat nothing, would give me greater pleasure than to see us sign collocini, then follow that up with another three quality players so i could shut the f*** up, but until that happens i'll continue with my criticisms as i would of FS someone said it in another thread the bullshit being spouted on here is the same bullshit spouted every year and no-one ever learns - you say i believe i'm in a position to judge but i say you're equally as gullible to the press/media drivel that's spouted...i trust you're a "deals aren't that easy" merchant? why not? why do you believe they're hard? because quotes in the papers tell you they are unless you have some inside knowledge? do fill me in... from my position as football fan i see that deals where the buying club is going to match the price/wage become very easy, deals where someone is looking for a bargain appear very hard...i was no rocket scientist so you do the math we've got money (TV if nothing else), we need players more than most clubs...what's the big deal? asked the question before but 30-40m TV money we get from sky, you think it's that hard to spend it on players do you? reeeeeeeeeeally? Two top, top posts in a row there. Man you're on form this morning MrM Naturally I completely agree.

It already ruined mine, but thank god you can get all the porn you want nowadays ;P

The jury should be still out on Ashley because so far he hasn't delivered but he is making changes and if they work then we'll be stronger for that. Absolutely, you won't get an argument from me on that.

After that terrible, threatening PM I now agree that you are a top man. Did I get that right? That's what I like to see, let the love pour down.

Agree it's a very eloquently put post, which is the norm for Bob. He makes a very compelling argument as ever. There are a couple of things though I do take issue with. When Ashley bought the club, he took on the debt, it's not our debt, never has been it's his debt. Clearing a large chunk of it makes financial sense if you have the capital to do so. I don't know how he can say he is totally in agreement about the way the new board is going about things, when we so far, even the most ITK of us, has no idea how we are going about anything !! For me the Jury is very much still out on Ashley, the cautious approach may yield great rewards but it's just as likely to lead to disaster as the spare no expense route. There's a middle ground to be found here and Ashley needs to find it fast IMO.

Who Jon.. ? He's a canny lad.

Even if Spurs accepted the Villa bid Barry would knock it on the head. Looks like Albelda will be the DM in a couple of days time ....... for £2m apparently. same applies, although it is a lightweight midfield and 3 could take time to adapt, potentially a lot of goals again at WHL next season in both nets Spurs wouldn't be Spurs if it didn't have a leaky defence! I know we've come to apprecite it, don't ever change

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you're s***. cheers. s*** man supporting s*** club in NUFC....how appropriate You with the sad eyes Don't be discouraged Oh I realize It's hard to take courage In a world full of people You can lose sight of it all And the darkness there inside you Makes you feel so small But I see your true colours Shining through I see your true colours That's why I love you So don't be afraid to let them show Your true colours True colours are beautiful, Like a rainbow Show me a smile then, And don't be unhappy, can't remember when I last saw you laughing If this world makes you crazy And you've taken all you can bear You call me up Because you know I'll be there And I see your true colours Shining through I see your true colours That's why I love you So don't be afraid to let them show Your true colours True colours are beautiful, Like a rainbow Ohhhh I can't remember When I last saw you laugh If this world makes you crazy And you've taken all you can bear You call me up Because you know I'll be there And I see your true colours Shining through See your true colours That's why I love you So don't be afraid to let them show Your true colours, true colours Are beautiful like a rainbow I see your True colours shining through See your true colours That's why I love you So don't be afraid to let them show Your true colours Your true colours are beautiful, Like a rainbow Ohhhhhhh Cyndi Lauper was hot in her day, serenading Shiteam to one of her masterpieces just doesn't seem quite right

I swear every single one of your posts is made up. what part is made up Well "bided" is not a word for a start ! I'd have bided my time and thought that one over first, actually. Aha good spot !!

When I'm not a work it's easier for me to resist the temptation but I do have a problem. Although I can't help thinking, if we had signed some quality early on and we just had some crossing the i's and dotting the t's to do then I would be much more relaxed about it.

Kaboul is an interesting case study TBH, here's a young player that came with a big reputation to the PL and quite frankly failed miserably in his first season. However spuds paid what 6-8 mill for him and are likely to get 7.5mill back ! Does this case show that you really aren't taking a huge gamble on bringing foreigners into the PL, as long as they are young enough and have big enough reputations ?

Take it you're referring to Sunderland there. If so, would just like to say: That would be an improvement for Sunderland. Shiteam is actually a Spuds fan not a mackem.