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1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

This is not some big swipe at beloved Dan Burn.

 

Just simply. As of summer 22 we aren't looking to sign players for the short-term in age and ability with low resale value. Because it chips away at FFP.

 

Also, however you look at it. I am right, Dan Burn was a Plan B at best. We went back for Plan A and got him.

 

We now have tremendous depth and ability at CB... and little depth and ability in attacking positions. With cost/FFP being part of the reason we don't have players in place already.

 

We haven't signed any players so far who haven't gone straight into the XI (after some bedding in). We wouldn't have signed beloved Dan if Botman came earlier.

 

@KaKa is another one who loves to comment and contradict my posts. He's being slow and i've work to do. THINK KAKA - THINK.

 

My goodness 

10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

He's always got something to say about my posts and i'm pretty sure he's outright insulted me in the past. He's a big lad, it's only a little sass.

 

If we signed Botman in January, do you think we would've signed Burn in January?

Obviously not because Clarke was still around.

He was a sound purchase having not got Botman at the time that could slide into Clarke's backup spot in the summer.

18 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

A club might have 1-3 primary targets for a position. Once you go further - it is no longer primary.

 

Hugo was plan A. Evidently we didn't have much of a plan B because we still don't have an attacker in - a month after that deal fell through. I think our other primary targets were that Winger from the German division (too expensive), Isak (too expensive), Harrison (bid rumoured - too expensive). We moved on to the likes of Maddison, who at this point was clearly not a primary target (bid - too expensive).  Again suggesting we had not done that much research into what they might cost (Harrison and JM at least).

 

Of course it applies. Every relevant league in Europe will have started by the weekend. It is late in the window. You either sign players who clubs were hoping to sell anyway or pay a premium.

I can't take you seriously man 

'Didn't have much of a plan ...', 'had not done that much research ...'

All based on the few names we have been privy to in the press and based on how you imagine bids and negotiations should go.

Unbelievable stuff.

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Plan B for Botman was Dan Burn. THINK HANS THINK. 

 

Signing a second attacker in January wasn't a priority. Otherwise we would've signed someone - even if it was on loan. So we waited. It's a priority now though. And we'll sign someone, even on loan.

No he was not.

He was a temporary fix that would then ultimately replace Clarke once Botman was brought in.

8 minutes ago, B-more Mag said:

I’d love him here. 

I think he's brilliant. 

In Belgium he sometimes played behind a front two as an attacking midfielder, for the national team he has played from wide positions while Larin is the lead striker, and at Lille he has previously played in a front two partnership, and now looks like he will play from the right this season.

All different roles and yet the goals continue to flow. Just hope once he does move it will be to a decent situation. Seen him linked with Man Utd, which could be terrible with the state they're in.

1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Think it's a fair point tbf. Perfect for where we were 8 months ago and having a few in the side like him and Targett is ok, if you add too many more we'll be a mid-table side. I don't see many positions we need with that sort of profile now, next step is clear upgrades l.

The question is why anyone would think we'd just be bringing in players of that profile and not upgrades?

I've honestly lost count of how many times Howe has said he is looking for quality and not quantity, and targeting players that will improve the team for those positions in forward areas.

January was a completely different set of circumstances where it is particularly difficult to get in top payers mid way through the season and so we went with some tried and tested Prem players to keep us up, two of whom played at a level higher than expected and have now cemented themselves as key players.

Clearly if it's taking this long it is because they think it will be beneficial for some of the targets they have in mind. Some really good teams are going to have players that want to move on or that the clubs are ready to let move on. The club will have better information than all of us via player's agents.

I'm pretty certain they are not just out here with their hands on their heads waiting to see what falls out of the sky. No chance.

8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

An attacker has been priority 1 all summer. It’s 12/8 they’ve been working on this for at least 3 months. Safe to say we haven’t landed our primary targets.  If you believe the reports FFP is front and centre of our thoughts, as is value for money, we have a limited amount we are willing to pay total and upfront. 
 

Similar to City’s backup left back search.  Whoever they sign isn’t first choice Cucurella was their man. That was their ideal candidate. They’ve got a limited budget and they’ll see what’s available for that price on the market that fits their team well enough. For a backup left back - that’s fine.  You take Haaland or Phillips - these were likely primary targets for crucial roles. Both are fair to great prices but in the past (Grealish, Walker etc.) they’ve proven they’ll do everything in their power to get their man. Rather than move down the list. 
 

 

 

Late in the window you either sign players teams are aREALLY want to sell or loan (Tielemans) or you pay over the odds for players teams really don’t want to seek (Fofana). Because there’s little time to get in a replacement  and teams have planned and prepared for the season with those players in mind. 
 

 

So take Ramos. Reports are Benfica are more than willing to sell him. He’s available. We won’t pay a premium to bring him in because we think he’s the perfect fit for the team.  Of course his profile will also need to fit well enough. 

I have no idea why you think every club has one primary target and outside of that they then wait to see what's available. That's not how transfers work. There are typically multiple options some of which are all around the same calibre, and some of which are a little bit under that and then some lower down.

Also, your late in the window assertions don't apply when there are three weeks remaining and not a couple of days.

I'm not sure what you were saying about Ramos and us not wanting to pay a premium. The Portuguese reporter that seemed most clued up said we'd be bidding right around the price Benfica were looking to sell, and so it would then depend on structure and add-ons, which is probably what is being discussed and agreed on at the minute.

5 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Do you really want to know how he’s come to any conclusion?

Fair point!

7 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Me too, although I still think he’s a couple of years away from being ready for the Premier League though.

I think he comes in straight away scoring goals. His record is fantastic since coming to Europe, especially for his age.

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Anyone know if Howe was asked or made any mention about replacing Shelvey ?

https://newcastle-online.org/topic/36984-eddie-howe-signs-new-long-term-contract/page/737/#comments

Just now, LV said:

Ummm… why? He was an integral part of the reason we stayed up. 

And is still playing well in the first team and will eventually be a great back up in multiple positions. And for just £13 million.

But you know ... never mind all that.

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

 

It looks like we will do business very late and look to see what's available rather than identifying particular players which iss not the best approach.

 

Can you please explain how you've come to this conclusion?

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Do the remaining 4 games not count at the end of the season?

 

I'm sure Eddie Howe would prefer to have all of the key transfers done in time for the players to join pre-season tour, begin to get to grips with environment, tactics etc. 

 

From the information available... we are monitoring the market e.g. no formal bids have been made.

 

It is worrying and sub-optimal.

 

It looks like we will do business very late and look to see what's available rather than identifying particular players which iss not the best approach.

Oh Lawd ... not this again.

One name I really hope we are keeping an eye on for that wide forward role is Jonathan David.

Our good fried Paulo Fonseca (!) made a great start in Ligue 1 with Lille last weekend, and is using Jonathan David on the right hand side as a wide forward, and he had a double last week and an assist. He looked good there.

49 minutes ago, toon25 said:

How can you be 'pretty sure' of that?

 

People have their own reasons for disliking clubs, ffs. 

Probably because as soon as someone posts a tweet mentioning them signing a player, here come all the Forest doomers! 

51 minutes ago, Segun Oluwaniyi said:

I am not hyping a single Naija player until after the World cup (maybe even until after the election). They seriously vexed me and my family with the rubbish they pulled against Ghana. Along with many vexations about that place in general. I wish the boys well, but that is as far as we go now.  

 

 

 

Man ... that country sef. I totally understand 

Just now, McCormick said:

They’ll underachieve with Gerard but it’ll click for them eventually imo despite him. Their squad has talent even though they’re being wasted currently; seems a few players have regressed under his management.

Bailey, in particular, is a player who is being chronically misused. I’d take him if he’s going cheap. 

Yeah, probably right about Villa. I just think if they have a bad start it could ramp up the pressure big time. Gerrard was already snapping at a reporter last week and has issues with Mings too.

Yeah, Bailey was great in Germany but his fitness issues have been disgraceful, same as their other left footed right side player Traore. Both really talented but just can't stay on the pitch.

5 minutes ago, Segun Oluwaniyi said:

Forest should be careful not to sign too many Nigerians, it has been a recipe for relegation.  Fulham in 2021 and Watford in 2022 both fell prey to this strategy. Honestly, I could see all three they've signed/been linked to being decent for them: Awoniyi is a strong, quick player to knock the ball up to (Do not see him being as prolific as in Germany, where no one defends), Dennis has attitude issues but is very dangerous, and Moses has great pace and dribbling (Even though he is often going nowhere useful, he can win his team the match sometimes and was good for Nantes).

Chill out man 

5 minutes ago, McCormick said:

You see them as legitimate relegation candidates? I can see them underachieving, sure, but that’s a bold take  .

I wouldn't say relegation candidates per se, but they won't want to find themselves anywhere near that end of the table, because I think it will be a nightmare down there this season, and it will be very easy to get dragged into the mess.

1 minute ago, McCormick said:

Being outspent by a newly promoted team is probably giving a few people Ashley-era flashbacks tbf.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it's all about, which is pretty pitiful.

Our spend since January is over £100 million for goodness sake, and we're still active.

5 minutes ago, 54 said:

I don't think it's necessarily anything to do with being a Forest hater, more the fact that we obliterated them on Saturday and they offered absolutely nothing.

Okay ... I think they've made some really interesting signings. I think it's going to be a horrible year to be near the bottom, as all the clubs that came up are going to put up a decent fight.

Southampton, Villa and Everton should be very worried.

1 hour ago, The Butcher said:

The amount of shite that will leave Forest on loan next summer when they're down, man

Another Forest hater

I'm guessing this is an envy thing because their making a lot of signings?

20 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Imagine if he went to PSG and we ended up loaning Ekitike on deadline day after all this.

12 minutes ago, toon25 said:

They've signed 3 left backs for a start.

Richards, Toffolo and who?

14 minutes ago, toon25 said:

Funny listening to Forest fans talk about doing 'thorough research' on players and 'getting the right personalities' through the door as if any sort of coordinated strategy has gone in to their transfer window.

How do you know they haven't? 

Really don't understand the Forest bashing. So strange.