Ronaldo

snap Elano up, just what we need

squad player, we need them

In KK's last 4 league games, Taylor was clearly to blame for 5 goals and conceded a saved penalty if that's a representation of his 'best' form, jesus cunting christ

Colo is class and still learning his trade over here. Still have a lot of faith in him but it's certainly Bassong out of the two who's looked the £10m defender

I had this argument with NE5 a while back, it's pointless. Nobody can name any of Taylor's positive attributes, they just fob you off with shite like 'potential, game reading, determination, U21 captain etc etc'

are you in your teens ? (no i'm not grooming,it's just there's an alarming trend among recently pubesced males that if things aren't brilliant they are s***) No, been a long time since I was in my teens! I just think he is s***, simple as. (Got nothing to do with the fact that my wife fancies him) do you think he is prem standard or what level do you think he'd survive comfortably.........as a player,not by way of looks. Certainly don't think he is Premiership standard, unless the likes of WBA are to be considered. Cant think of many other PL teams that he would get a place in....can you? i'd have taylor before dawson,nosworthy,collins,andy o'brien (as would your wife) just off the top of my head without thinking too hard for more than 20 secs. i'm not a great taylor fan but think he is nowhere near as bad as some make out O'brien is physically s**** and technically s**** but uses his head when he plays, which gives him a distinct advantage over Taylor when i get time i'm gonna create the myth team....keepers have to be tall...wingers must be quick and cross loads.....you must have at least one big centre forward etc o'briens nowhere near as good as taylor as good? madness

are you in your teens ? (no i'm not grooming,it's just there's an alarming trend among recently pubesced males that if things aren't brilliant they are s***) No, been a long time since I was in my teens! I just think he is s***, simple as. (Got nothing to do with the fact that my wife fancies him) do you think he is prem standard or what level do you think he'd survive comfortably.........as a player,not by way of looks. Certainly don't think he is Premiership standard, unless the likes of WBA are to be considered. Cant think of many other PL teams that he would get a place in....can you? i'd have taylor before dawson,nosworthy,collins,andy o'brien (as would your wife) just off the top of my head without thinking too hard for more than 20 secs. i'm not a great taylor fan but think he is nowhere near as bad as some make out O'brien is physically shite and technically shite but uses his head when he plays, which gives him a distinct advantage over Taylor

are you in your teens ? (no i'm not grooming,it's just there's an alarming trend among recently pubesced males that if things aren't brilliant they are s***) No, been a long time since I was in my teens! I just think he is s***, simple as. (Got nothing to do with the fact that my wife fancies him) do you think he is prem standard or what level do you think he'd survive comfortably.........as a player,not by way of looks. Certainly don't think he is Premiership standard, unless the likes of WBA are to be considered. Cant think of many other PL teams that he would get a place in....can you? agree with this

He's not world class. You reckon? I think Paddy Kenny is second only to Buffon. He's a world class shot stopper. But his distribution and commanding of his box aren't. Which are both extremely important elements to be a world class goal keeper IMO. Given is World Class in the very same way that Michael Owen is, well in my opinion anyway. so neither world class at all then basically

I'm not really going to write someone off as a fundamentally bad signing because Kinnear doesn't rate them. It's clearly personal with Kinnear and Xisco tbh. Openly said that he teared into him after the Blackburn game despite there being many more underperforming players on the pitch. And the fact that he rates Ameobi and Andy f***ing Carroll more than him give me a f***ing break you fat irish c***

Keegan made a point about needing defenders who could go forward at some point. Given his praise of Beye, it could only have been aimed at Enrique. He clearly didn't rate him like

No, it's called supporting the team. 2-1 at half-time, if we nicked a goal after the break who knows what might have happened. We were the worst I've seen us in a very long time in the first half but we were still in it, just undeservedly so. so you think those same people would have cheered had Edgar not scored?

wasn't exactly a one on one as gerrard played between their midfield and attack....hate to say it but a masterclass in MOVEMENT from gerrard today Wasn't actually a one on one as Butt didn't get near him all afternoon. neither'd guthrie,coloccini,taylor,n'zogbia,geremi,gutierrez..........why make it butt only ? Because I f***ing hate him And he was exactly the same at Wigan on Friday. I'm a tad more objective. i thought guthrie was woeful on and off the ball aswell, had lots of chances to break forward but held back forcing either butt forward or isolating the forwards. duff was more dynamic than n'zogbia,enrique has no confidence,owen was anonymous,given could have held two of them saves.....i could go on I'd agree with all of that, but Butt is a week in week out problem now. He had to go some to be worse than he was on Friday at Wigan, but he managed to achieve it. He is only ever a good defensive midfielder when we're playing well, when we need him to be holding the midfield together when under pressure he's one of the first to disappear out of the game. The only time you then notice him is when he's repeatedly giving the ball back to the opposition playing simple 5 yard passes. maybe he'd be a better defensive midfielder if he was allowed to do just that as opposed to doing guthries (gooad games against pompey and spurs aside) work trying to get a little bit further forward ? Butt struggles to play the simplest of passes though. Not sure how many passes he completed today but I can't remember many. His legs have gone too and he tires badly too imo. Guthrie isn't the answer either but he shows a bit of drive from time to time. The sooner Barton's back the better and I never thought I'd say that often. butts pasing was equal to most for us today...it was that bad. he shouldn't need the legs,guthrie shouldn't be forcing him forward. 2 new centre mids may be too much to ask but bartona and 1 other please. if only to get to the end of the season. If you're starting a Premiership game in CM then you need legs. Possession changes hands that often and the tempo is so high that getting about the park is paramount in CM. His legs have gone which means he can't get up and down or tackle cleanly anymore. When the ball breaks to him he invariably gives it straight back. He can't track runners from midfield and provides nothing going forward. He's a f***ing liability and the sooner the ginger c*** is out of the door the better. There, I've said it. i agree to a point......why dont you say the same about guthrie who has been equally as bad....worse if you think he should have more legs. I don't think Guthrie has been as bad though. He hasn't been great but I think he keeps possession better and offers more going forward than Butt does. I'm not trying to make him out as being another Vieira but Butt is going to get slower and less mobile as time goes on. Ideally the club will bring in someone to partner Barton in there as you say, but until that happens then Guthrie deserves is spot over Butt every day of the week. Imo obviously. i don't see much of a difference between butt and guthrie. in fact the only difference is that butt takes more blame,he's the whipping boy and guthrie is riding anonymously by Fair enough. I think Butt's been, by and large, shocking this season. Guthrie has time on his side and is worth having in the squad. He should improve. Butt will only get (even) worse/slower. i agree about butt,but i think guthrie has been equally as bad and has shown little to make me think he'll get better. least of all any sort of leadership when he makes the likes of butt go forward cos he wont We disagree chap. At this moment in time I think Guthrie, for all his faults, is a better option than Butt in the middle of the park. Guthrie should, in theory, get better whereas Butt has been on the way down for years now. I'd concede that Guthrie at his peak probably won't be as good as Butt was at his peak. i see no reason to think this isn't guthrie at his peak Ok. Given the choice: Barton & Butt or Barton & Guthrie who do you go with? barton and butt. allowing barton to get forward,till summer and getting someone else in. How does Butt get away with it?

1. Thought he was from Gosforth ? 2. Bit harsh to say the least. Wheres the bolt ? 3. Even harsher. He's not Ramage FFS ! He's had some good games, and is still young. Other managers in the prem think they could make a top defender out of him, and I think its in him. Sometimes I genuinely believe he tries too hard. 4 years as a first teamer and he still hasn't improved, but yeah lets just give him another 4 at the expense of geniunely good defenders, get a grip man

I'd replace excellent with adequate. given come on htt man. beye-colo-bassong-enrique went 345 minutes with out conceding a goal. and have only conceded once together since wigan, and 3 times in total. HTT longs for Taylor to be the main CB once again

incredible that we were cheered off at half time, simply because Edgar got a goal back. Sums up the mentality of a hell of a lot of nufc fans

if all that happens well probably be pushing for top 6, in the championship

this

Ashley wont sell the club unless he gets a ridiculous, ridiculous offer. Everything from appointing a mouthpiece as manager to asking Mort to come back suggests he's in it for the long haul and never really had any intention of selling.

Wigan look a pretty solid unit now, lots of credit to Bruce. Certainly got Heskey and Bramble playing when other had written them off

Seriously hope Upson comes in now. If one of Bassong/Coloccini/Beye gets injured, we're well and truly f***ed

in every partnership there are strengths and weaknesses, it only becomes a problem when said weaknesses are shared. Bassong compensates for Colo's physical faults it seems. Taylor just amplifies them tenfold.

£6m net I reckon

Down to the bare bones and he basically tries to get himself sent off and banned for 3 games. Honestly, what a clueless, talentless c***. How the likes of Nixon can call him a good defender is completely beyond me and most of the 50,000 it now seems

Fantastic in the first half today