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I'm baffled about them always talking about it and it always being in the media. Also what's up with the "Justice for the 96" instead of "R.I.P to the 96"?, particularly around the anniversary. It's because the people of Liverpool have been campaigning for justice, in light of the injustice carried out by South Yorkshire police that day. It's in the media a lot, because 96 fans of the most successful club in English football, from one of the main cultural heartlands of the country died in a terrible crush. A crush which could have happened to any club at any time, and many fans around the time can tell story's of near misses. It has defined and shaped the culture of a major city and perhaps the rest of the country. An entire city no longer buys the largest selling newspaper. It's a campaign that has been backed by celebrities. On top of the large scale of death a light has been shown on to terrible police standards, corruption and collusion between the police, media and possibly even the government of the time. There is a time and place for the justice part, at a time when you should be remembering them at an anniversary shouldn't it be time to reflect on the fact that 96 people lost their lives and not the circumstances around it? How often do you see families of the Valley parade disaster asking for justice? There was just as many mistakes and different authorities to blame there for the people who died then as there is for Hillsbrough. Was there bollocks. Hillsborough and the injustice of it all will be traced right up to Thatcher's door. To think for a good 20 years it was pushed about that the whole disaster was down to Liverpool's supporters because of the Government of the day, South Yorkshire police and that Tory MP whose name I cannot recall is frankly disgusting. There was a cover up, no one can deny that but to say it went all the way up to Thatchers door and the whole of South Yorkshire police were involved, and also that it was the only reason why the disaster happened is wrong. Only a hand few of police officers will know what was happening at the time, other police officers around the ground will not know exactly what went on and will only being going by the accounts of those who were initially close to the Leppings end who were forced by those above them to alter their initial accounts. Anyone outside of these police officers will only know what happened by 'official' (I use the term official loosely) accounts, this includes MP's and Thatcher, what Irvine Patnick said to Thatcher and the press was wrong, no one can deny that. Even though cover up of the police's role in the disaster is disgusting there was other factors that equally contributed to it happening, this often gets forgotten about. My initial post was trying to get the point across that Liverpool fans seem to spent a lot of time focused on why 96 people died and not the actual fact that 96 people died. I used the Valley Parade disaster as comparison because although there was no cover up to explain why the disaster happened like Hillsborough a lot of things in the build up happened that should have happened which led to the disaster. For one the stand had already been condemned as unsafe (Bradford were actually pulling the stand down at the end of the season). There was no fire extinguishers around when there should have been. The rubbish beneath the stand should not have been allowed to build up and there had been reportedly been concerns of it being a fire risk raised previously. Lastly the turnstile exits had been locked shut, meaning fans had to go onto the pitch to escape when in a lot of cases using the exits would have been quicker. You can argue that the Bradford fans have also never found justice (I don't think you can ever really find justice in these types of circumstances) as no one has actually been held acceptable for these failings which lead to the disaster. Thatcher's prints are all over it ffs. EDIT:The South Yorkshire police's failure to regulate the ground properly was covered up by Thatcher as a thank you to South Yorkshire police and their "henchman" role in the Miner's strike. The Sheffield Hallam MP, Sir Irving Patnick "informed" The Sun of lies including looting of dead people's possessions, urinating on dead fans etc to put the Liverpool supporters in a terrible light. Where did his instructions come from? Not hard to work out is it? I would go with this but there's a reason i don't. We had a Labour Government for 13 years and if they knew that (and they would have), they wouldn't have hesitated to reveal it. I'm still trying to work why Labour kept refusing to have a fresh enquiry, nothing makes sense on that. It's a bit weird it's Cameron who started the new enquiry off, seems if what you said was true he would have held off so not to embarrass the Tories. Whatever it is something is definitely not right with it all. Cameron was PM but it was Andy Burnham who prompted the action. Labour actually did hold a fresh inquiry as one of the first acts of Tony Blair entering Downing St. Unfortunately it agreed with the original findings. Widely agreed that was a fudge though, not the proper enquiry this has been. They probably did it too soon into their term. Andy Burnham thinks that their inexperience at dealing with civil servants tainted the enquiry as the Justice Stuart Smith seems to have continued the duplicity shown in Justice Taylor's original enquiry. Labour should certainly have not let it lie there though and credit to Andy Burnham, Steve Rotherham and the rest of the Liverpool MPs for their continued plight to get to where we are now. Aye they have done well tbf. I think my point really is, that say Thatcher did have some thing do with a cover up, Labour would have said so by now. The police involved certainly did cover things up and i hope they get what's coming tothem, and hope that coming is long sentences. Im fairly sure Jack Straw did say it. But the Tory MP for Sheffield Hallam certainly was a major player in the cover-up and Thatcher certainly ruled her minions with a rod of iron so personally I believe she was involved.

Remarkable isnt it. Well said.

I'm baffled about them always talking about it and it always being in the media. Also what's up with the "Justice for the 96" instead of "R.I.P to the 96"?, particularly around the anniversary. It's because the people of Liverpool have been campaigning for justice, in light of the injustice carried out by South Yorkshire police that day. It's in the media a lot, because 96 fans of the most successful club in English football, from one of the main cultural heartlands of the country died in a terrible crush. A crush which could have happened to any club at any time, and many fans around the time can tell story's of near misses. It has defined and shaped the culture of a major city and perhaps the rest of the country. An entire city no longer buys the largest selling newspaper. It's a campaign that has been backed by celebrities. On top of the large scale of death a light has been shown on to terrible police standards, corruption and collusion between the police, media and possibly even the government of the time. There is a time and place for the justice part, at a time when you should be remembering them at an anniversary shouldn't it be time to reflect on the fact that 96 people lost their lives and not the circumstances around it? How often do you see families of the Valley parade disaster asking for justice? There was just as many mistakes and different authorities to blame there for the people who died then as there is for Hillsbrough. Was there bollocks. Hillsborough and the injustice of it all will be traced right up to Thatcher's door. To think for a good 20 years it was pushed about that the whole disaster was down to Liverpool's supporters because of the Government of the day, South Yorkshire police and that Tory MP whose name I cannot recall is frankly disgusting. There was a cover up, no one can deny that but to say it went all the way up to Thatchers door and the whole of South Yorkshire police were involved, and also that it was the only reason why the disaster happened is wrong. Only a hand few of police officers will know what was happening at the time, other police officers around the ground will not know exactly what went on and will only being going by the accounts of those who were initially close to the Leppings end who were forced by those above them to alter their initial accounts. Anyone outside of these police officers will only know what happened by 'official' (I use the term official loosely) accounts, this includes MP's and Thatcher, what Irvine Patnick said to Thatcher and the press was wrong, no one can deny that. Even though cover up of the police's role in the disaster is disgusting there was other factors that equally contributed to it happening, this often gets forgotten about. My initial post was trying to get the point across that Liverpool fans seem to spent a lot of time focused on why 96 people died and not the actual fact that 96 people died. I used the Valley Parade disaster as comparison because although there was no cover up to explain why the disaster happened like Hillsborough a lot of things in the build up happened that should have happened which led to the disaster. For one the stand had already been condemned as unsafe (Bradford were actually pulling the stand down at the end of the season). There was no fire extinguishers around when there should have been. The rubbish beneath the stand should not have been allowed to build up and there had been reportedly been concerns of it being a fire risk raised previously. Lastly the turnstile exits had been locked shut, meaning fans had to go onto the pitch to escape when in a lot of cases using the exits would have been quicker. You can argue that the Bradford fans have also never found justice (I don't think you can ever really find justice in these types of circumstances) as no one has actually been held acceptable for these failings which lead to the disaster. Thatcher's prints are all over it ffs. EDIT:The South Yorkshire police's failure to regulate the ground properly was covered up by Thatcher as a thank you to South Yorkshire police and their "henchman" role in the Miner's strike. The Sheffield Hallam MP, Sir Irving Patnick "informed" The Sun of lies including looting of dead people's possessions, urinating on dead fans etc to put the Liverpool supporters in a terrible light. Where did his instructions come from? Not hard to work out is it? I would go with this but there's a reason i don't. We had a Labour Government for 13 years and if they knew that (and they would have), they wouldn't have hesitated to reveal it. I'm still trying to work why Labour kept refusing to have a fresh enquiry, nothing makes sense on that. It's a bit weird it's Cameron who started the new enquiry off, seems if what you said was true he would have held off so not to embarrass the Tories. Whatever it is something is definitely not right with it all. Cameron was PM but it was Andy Burnham who prompted the action. Labour actually did hold a fresh inquiry as one of the first acts of Tony Blair entering Downing St. Unfortunately it agreed with the original findings. Widely agreed that was a fudge though, not the proper enquiry this has been. They probably did it too soon into their term. Andy Burnham thinks that their inexperience at dealing with civil servants tainted the enquiry as the Justice Stuart Smith seems to have continued the duplicity shown in Justice Taylor's original enquiry. Labour should certainly have not let it lie there though and credit to Andy Burnham, Steve Rotherham and the rest of the Liverpool MPs for their continued plight to get to where we are now.

She isn't being held responsible for the disaster. The cover up afterward and the slanderous claims made, yes.

I'm baffled about them always talking about it and it always being in the media. Also what's up with the "Justice for the 96" instead of "R.I.P to the 96"?, particularly around the anniversary. It's because the people of Liverpool have been campaigning for justice, in light of the injustice carried out by South Yorkshire police that day. It's in the media a lot, because 96 fans of the most successful club in English football, from one of the main cultural heartlands of the country died in a terrible crush. A crush which could have happened to any club at any time, and many fans around the time can tell story's of near misses. It has defined and shaped the culture of a major city and perhaps the rest of the country. An entire city no longer buys the largest selling newspaper. It's a campaign that has been backed by celebrities. On top of the large scale of death a light has been shown on to terrible police standards, corruption and collusion between the police, media and possibly even the government of the time. There is a time and place for the justice part, at a time when you should be remembering them at an anniversary shouldn't it be time to reflect on the fact that 96 people lost their lives and not the circumstances around it? How often do you see families of the Valley parade disaster asking for justice? There was just as many mistakes and different authorities to blame there for the people who died then as there is for Hillsbrough. Was there bollocks. Hillsborough and the injustice of it all will be traced right up to Thatcher's door. To think for a good 20 years it was pushed about that the whole disaster was down to Liverpool's supporters because of the Government of the day, South Yorkshire police and that Tory MP whose name I cannot recall is frankly disgusting. There was a cover up, no one can deny that but to say it went all the way up to Thatchers door and the whole of South Yorkshire police were involved, and also that it was the only reason why the disaster happened is wrong. Only a hand few of police officers will know what was happening at the time, other police officers around the ground will not know exactly what went on and will only being going by the accounts of those who were initially close to the Leppings end who were forced by those above them to alter their initial accounts. Anyone outside of these police officers will only know what happened by 'official' (I use the term official loosely) accounts, this includes MP's and Thatcher, what Irvine Patnick said to Thatcher and the press was wrong, no one can deny that. Even though cover up of the police's role in the disaster is disgusting there was other factors that equally contributed to it happening, this often gets forgotten about. My initial post was trying to get the point across that Liverpool fans seem to spent a lot of time focused on why 96 people died and not the actual fact that 96 people died. I used the Valley Parade disaster as comparison because although there was no cover up to explain why the disaster happened like Hillsborough a lot of things in the build up happened that should have happened which led to the disaster. For one the stand had already been condemned as unsafe (Bradford were actually pulling the stand down at the end of the season). There was no fire extinguishers around when there should have been. The rubbish beneath the stand should not have been allowed to build up and there had been reportedly been concerns of it being a fire risk raised previously. Lastly the turnstile exits had been locked shut, meaning fans had to go onto the pitch to escape when in a lot of cases using the exits would have been quicker. You can argue that the Bradford fans have also never found justice (I don't think you can ever really find justice in these types of circumstances) as no one has actually been held acceptable for these failings which lead to the disaster. Thatcher's prints are all over it ffs. EDIT:The South Yorkshire police's failure to regulate the ground properly was covered up by Thatcher as a thank you to South Yorkshire police and their "henchman" role in the Miner's strike. The Sheffield Hallam MP, Sir Irving Patnick "informed" The Sun of lies including looting of dead people's possessions, urinating on dead fans etc to put the Liverpool supporters in a terrible light. Where did his instructions come from? Not hard to work out is it? I would go with this but there's a reason i don't. We had a Labour Government for 13 years and if they knew that (and they would have), they wouldn't have hesitated to reveal it. I'm still trying to work why Labour kept refusing to have a fresh enquiry, nothing makes sense on that. It's a bit weird it's Cameron who started the new enquiry off, seems if what you said was true he would have held off so not to embarrass the Tories. Whatever it is something is definitely not right with it all. Cameron was PM but it was Andy Burnham who prompted the action. Labour actually did hold a fresh inquiry as one of the first acts of Tony Blair entering Downing St. Unfortunately it agreed with the original findings.

I'm baffled about them always talking about it and it always being in the media. Also what's up with the "Justice for the 96" instead of "R.I.P to the 96"?, particularly around the anniversary. It's because the people of Liverpool have been campaigning for justice, in light of the injustice carried out by South Yorkshire police that day. It's in the media a lot, because 96 fans of the most successful club in English football, from one of the main cultural heartlands of the country died in a terrible crush. A crush which could have happened to any club at any time, and many fans around the time can tell story's of near misses. It has defined and shaped the culture of a major city and perhaps the rest of the country. An entire city no longer buys the largest selling newspaper. It's a campaign that has been backed by celebrities. On top of the large scale of death a light has been shown on to terrible police standards, corruption and collusion between the police, media and possibly even the government of the time. There is a time and place for the justice part, at a time when you should be remembering them at an anniversary shouldn't it be time to reflect on the fact that 96 people lost their lives and not the circumstances around it? How often do you see families of the Valley parade disaster asking for justice? There was just as many mistakes and different authorities to blame there for the people who died then as there is for Hillsbrough. Was there bollocks. Hillsborough and the injustice of it all will be traced right up to Thatcher's door. To think for a good 20 years it was pushed about that the whole disaster was down to Liverpool's supporters because of the Government of the day, South Yorkshire police and that Tory MP whose name I cannot recall is frankly disgusting. There was a cover up, no one can deny that but to say it went all the way up to Thatchers door and the whole of South Yorkshire police were involved, and also that it was the only reason why the disaster happened is wrong. Only a hand few of police officers will know what was happening at the time, other police officers around the ground will not know exactly what went on and will only being going by the accounts of those who were initially close to the Leppings end who were forced by those above them to alter their initial accounts. Anyone outside of these police officers will only know what happened by 'official' (I use the term official loosely) accounts, this includes MP's and Thatcher, what Irvine Patnick said to Thatcher and the press was wrong, no one can deny that. Even though cover up of the police's role in the disaster is disgusting there was other factors that equally contributed to it happening, this often gets forgotten about. My initial post was trying to get the point across that Liverpool fans seem to spent a lot of time focused on why 96 people died and not the actual fact that 96 people died. I used the Valley Parade disaster as comparison because although there was no cover up to explain why the disaster happened like Hillsborough a lot of things in the build up happened that should have happened which led to the disaster. For one the stand had already been condemned as unsafe (Bradford were actually pulling the stand down at the end of the season). There was no fire extinguishers around when there should have been. The rubbish beneath the stand should not have been allowed to build up and there had been reportedly been concerns of it being a fire risk raised previously. Lastly the turnstile exits had been locked shut, meaning fans had to go onto the pitch to escape when in a lot of cases using the exits would have been quicker. You can argue that the Bradford fans have also never found justice (I don't think you can ever really find justice in these types of circumstances) as no one has actually been held acceptable for these failings which lead to the disaster. Thatcher's prints are all over it ffs. EDIT:The South Yorkshire police's failure to regulate the ground properly was covered up by Thatcher as a thank you to South Yorkshire police and their "henchman" role in the Miner's strike. The Sheffield Hallam MP, Sir Irving Patnick "informed" The Sun of lies including looting of dead people's possessions, urinating on dead fans etc to put the Liverpool supporters in a terrible light. Where did his instructions come from? Not hard to work out is it?

How old is Beckford now?

Id certainly take him.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Barca go headhunting on Merseyside this summer.

Not sure about the keeper there like.

Geddin Bale.

Appalling defending but a great header.

I'm baffled about them always talking about it and it always being in the media. Also what's up with the "Justice for the 96" instead of "R.I.P to the 96"?, particularly around the anniversary. It's because the people of Liverpool have been campaigning for justice, in light of the injustice carried out by South Yorkshire police that day. It's in the media a lot, because 96 fans of the most successful club in English football, from one of the main cultural heartlands of the country died in a terrible crush. A crush which could have happened to any club at any time, and many fans around the time can tell story's of near misses. It has defined and shaped the culture of a major city and perhaps the rest of the country. An entire city no longer buys the largest selling newspaper. It's a campaign that has been backed by celebrities. On top of the large scale of death a light has been shown on to terrible police standards, corruption and collusion between the police, media and possibly even the government of the time. There is a time and place for the justice part, at a time when you should be remembering them at an anniversary shouldn't it be time to reflect on the fact that 96 people lost their lives and not the circumstances around it? How often do you see families of the Valley parade disaster asking for justice? There was just as many mistakes and different authorities to blame there for the people who died then as there is for Hillsbrough. Was there bollocks. Hillsborough and the injustice of it all will be traced right up to Thatcher's door. To think for a good 20 years it was pushed about that the whole disaster was down to Liverpool's supporters because of the Government of the day, South Yorkshire police and that Tory MP whose name I cannot recall is frankly disgusting.

She's got a fanny like a wallpaperers bucket.

Rooney, Sturridge and Welbeck or Sterling depending on the opposition, has to be the front three. Back that up with Gerrard, Hendo and AOC/Barkley with Wilshere to come off the bench and a back 4 of Johnson, Cahill, Jagielka and Cole/Baines and I think we look set. Just depends on the positivity that the manager sends them out with. As far as I see we have nowt to lose so let's be ultra positive.

I well remember saying exactly the same about Manchester United before they won the title in 92......the difference was throughout the late 70's and most of the 80's they'd spent more than anyone else.

Whether you plan it to or not, every thread does always end up being about you I wish I could stop that, believe me. Kill yourself. Oh hi Jack. FFS Now he's trying to get people to commit terrorism!!!

They have compared to their direct competition.

Especially on such a weekend 25 years since the biggest tragedy in English football happened to them.

Not in the slightest bit funny. Piss poor form actually. Oh well. Win some, lose some. He's a Liverpool fan. Just a fan of justice which these people look like they're finally going to get just a mere 25 years later.

Not in the slightest bit funny. Piss poor form actually. Oh well. Win some, lose some. He's a Liverpool fan. Soz Romando.

Seriously, Deuce, this is your best post ever. I can just imagine it in my head Nah....it's utter shite actually.

Not in the slightest bit funny. Piss poor form actually.

They play the best football in the League. Take away the whining and self pity and you have to say this season they would be the worthiest of Champions.