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bruce has already taken hull as far as he can…the same hull who blew something like 13m on 2 strikers in january no?

Very harsh appraisal that imo

Staggering these. Tempted to start a "Pardew's Unwanted Records" thread to complement his Official Excuses thread, just so there is somewhere else to point people to who say "Pardew is doing an alright job". Three Pardew threads would sadden me though. One is too many. was gonna suggest this actually, however i’d have an OP with the good things he’s done for a bit of honest balance and see where it goes the win at OT springs to mind, and er….

you’d really imagine ashley would have some type of moneyball thing going on to some degree at the club, can you imagine what shola’s stats would look like refuse to believe this is anything other than his agent trying to drum up a new deal after cisse getting injured…pay as you play deal i could probably stomach, pay as you contribute would probably be better mind

fucks sake, fans start showing discontent - shoal pens another deal jfk will be coming back before we know it

There was some right condescending shit thrown at those of us who knew how awful he was back then mind. Fucking Inochi the worst of the lot. Not to name names.

I agree. Especially since the turn of the year Pardew has obviously not been good enough, and interestingly for the three years he's now been here 50% has seen top 6 form or thereabouts with the odd sighting of decent football (2011/12 and the first half of this season), and the other 50% has been relegation form or thereabouts (2012/13 and second half of this season). Normally you would expect Pardew to be able to keep us up (Ashley's "ambition"), but for the first time it looks like he's clearly lost the dressing room and the players are playing to get him the sack. That could force Ashley's hand, although I personally expect (not hope) he will gve Pardew the first few months of next season to see if the slump continues or not. I also agree that it would be fantastic if the next manager could convince Ashley to get behind his approach and loosen the purse strings, but considering what happened to Keegan (and to a lesser extent Shearer) I'm under no illusion as to what would happen when a manager with the club's interest at heart challenges him on what he aspires Newcastle United to be. Add to that Ashley's track record for appointing managers, and next season could well be another shitfest with probable boardroom turmoil and a potential full blown implosion (relegation) regardless of whether he keeps Pardew on over the summer or not. While I agree with what you're saying I can't bring myself to simultaneously want Pardew gone for all of the reasons we're well aware of and then be so bleak in my outlook that I've already judged what will happen next. I personally have to believe that by luck or intent something is going to change for the better, otherwise what's the point in wanting the change? Managers can develop good football that people want to see without billions of pounds so I see no predetermined conflict of interest. Hopefully any potential real manager might get the chance to remind Ashley that being attractive on the pitch gets you more airtime and fans of other clubs watching you... Once he actually appoints Ron Atkinson then I'll start looking up the Samaritans number. We're looking for an English manager who Ashley personally knows from his pub or casino visits, who wants to play an attractive, attacking type of football, who is willing to be a yes man with no say in transfers (incoming or mid-season sale of best player), who can work on a shoestring (negative transfer budget), who is willing to defend whatever idiocy Ashley & co conjure up and finally who wouldn't cost compensation and who is willing to work on a pittance (in relative terms for a Premiership manager). Sounds good if such a man exists! Touché

aye. This is literally what we should all be going for, I'd take Moyes but I'd prefer someone more inclined to attack as their primary goal.

I agree. Especially since the turn of the year Pardew has obviously not been good enough, and interestingly for the three years he's now been here 50% has seen top 6 form or thereabouts with the odd sighting of decent football (2011/12 and the first half of this season), and the other 50% has been relegation form or thereabouts (2012/13 and second half of this season). Normally you would expect Pardew to be able to keep us up (Ashley's "ambition"), but for the first time it looks like he's clearly lost the dressing room and the players are playing to get him the sack. That could force Ashley's hand, although I personally expect (not hope) he will gve Pardew the first few months of next season to see if the slump continues or not. I also agree that it would be fantastic if the next manager could convince Ashley to get behind his approach and loosen the purse strings, but considering what happened to Keegan (and to a lesser extent Shearer) I'm under no illusion as to what would happen when a manager with the club's interest at heart challenges him on what he aspires Newcastle United to be. Add to that Ashley's track record for appointing managers, and next season could well be another shitfest with probable boardroom turmoil and a potential full blown implosion (relegation) regardless of whether he keeps Pardew on over the summer or not. While I agree with what you're saying I can't bring myself to simultaneously want Pardew gone for all of the reasons we're well aware of and then be so bleak in my outlook that I've already judged what will happen next. I personally have to believe that by luck or intent something is going to change for the better, otherwise what's the point in wanting the change? Managers can develop good football that people want to see without billions of pounds so I see no predetermined conflict of interest. Hopefully any potential real manager might get the chance to remind Ashley that being attractive on the pitch gets you more airtime and fans of other clubs watching you... Once he actually appoints Ron Atkinson then I'll start looking up the Samaritans number.

I'll take my chances on getting Pardew out and seeing where it goes. Hutchison was writing about the poor job Pardew has done as well as Ashley and it was that I was personally referring to. Who knows, perhaps a manager telling Ashley and the public he can get a team to compete in more than 1 game in 7 days, that Europe is good for the club and value of the players, that fans love to see goals and attacking football etc will change some opinions? It's a long shot, but it's a better shot than Pardew pissing all over everyone's cornflakes at every turn surely? You're bang on for the most part about Ashley though, I agree.

Clearly there are plenty who don't get it though dude, so the more it gets written about and/or broadcast the better imho. To be honest I think the vast majority of fans have cottoned onto the idea by that we have no football related ambition under Mike Ashley. And yet the fans ostensibly seem to be happy enough to put up with it. Perhaps they need more 'football people' telling them what they already know.

Clearly there are plenty who don't get it though dude, so the more it gets written about and/or broadcast the better imho.

Ben Arfa plays too deep to be allowed any individuality. He really only wants the "magic" from a centre forward. Even in a 4-3-3, the two wide forwards are only there to hold the full back's hand for them. yeah this, or from cabaye who has the workrate as well

you seem to be suggesting there's little or no logic to the footballing framework laid out by alan scott pardew ian

i reckon moyes could work with what we've got here at the moment as long as he was able to add a few in the summer to fit his style a little more, a big mobile striker for example, couple of hard-working wingers, and a leader at the back to play with mym i think he'd use mym & anita much better right off the bat, especially anita as i think he'd go with a competitive midfield 3 from the off, he'd get tiote doing what he should be doing and nothing else and he'd solidify the defence very quickly main thing is what he'd do with hba i suppose as stated i'd prefer someone else but i'd be happy with him replacing pardew, very fucking happy

they should have done this on friday tbh

aye they'd be a decent fit, villa might be a shout as well mind

so he's been highly consistent over a sustained period then? not consistently brilliant, nor consistently terrible, just consistent he's a massive upgrade on pardew so i'd take him in a heartbeat but i don't think he'd be the right fit for us personally, we only really take to managers whose aim is to go out and win games You make it sound like the media are right; we'd rather lose 4-3 than win 1-0. well we don't win 1-0 anymore so might as well lose 4-3 aye

so he's been highly consistent over a sustained period then? not consistently brilliant, nor consistently terrible, just consistent he's a massive upgrade on pardew so i'd take him in a heartbeat but i don't think he'd be the right fit for us personally, we only really take to managers whose aim is to go out and win games

But Moyes has been highly successful at it over a period of many years at a club of a similar size, budget and stature to us. Given that the alternatives are likely to be stick with Pardew or appoint someone highly uninspiring, Moyes would be a fantastic appointment. Wouldn't be surprised if Villa went for Moyes if he got sacked incidentally. highly successful is really pushing the boundaries of moyes's 10 year stint imho

Even if he lasted his usual 12-18months the difference he could make could change the club for years. Introduce a totally new style of football which will bring out the best in players we've already got and would attract. Once Ashley sees the difference in prices clubs want to pay for our players there will be no going back to the likes of Pardew, he'd want another attacking tactician in. Problem with Ashley is his proven duplicity in dealing with managers. If he was upfront with someone like Laudrup and told him the likes of 'you need to work closely with Carr as I trust him, there won't be a lot of money to spend but we'll get you players where we can, you'll be expected to bring on youth players to make up the squad and develop them' I can't see why a decent manager like Laudrup wouldn't go for it tbh.

fucking hate sherwood like aye, dislike him much more than i did pardew when he sidled up

i still say there's f*** all wrong with mckay if the options are to be purely taken from the rejects bin might as well get clarky instead of sherwood ffs Clarke is awful tbh i don't know that sherwood is up to much personally, i think he's got a very good squad of players and that's about it...

i still say there's fuck all wrong with mckay if the options are to be purely taken from the rejects bin might as well get clarky instead of sherwood ffs