mrmojorisin75

this is literally the same argument NE5 used when people wanted shepherd out, "be careful what you wish for", unfortunately he was partially right i'm afraid i side with the idea of taking our chances with a new appointment, at the moment with this joker running things in football terms we're just subsisting, and that's not an enjoyable state of affairs for any of us...the best case is he lucks out and appoints someone who can form a team, we play better football and ashley starts enjoying himself as an owner again 'cause i for one also subscribe to the idea that he's not leaving anytime soon due to the advertising

4 points from 9 at home so far as well, we struggled at home last year...the one victory was unconvincing vs. a side that barely turned up In fairness, last year, it took us over half the season to register an away win. We've bettered that by quite some distance this year, and convincingly. in the interests of fairness we beat aston villa who had racked up 9 wins in 40 home games (including the defeat to us)

4 points from 9 at home so far as well, we struggled at home last year...the one victory was unconvincing vs. a side that barely turned up

same shit last season gimp, you're not allowed to see patterns or likely outcomes based on existing evidence...you simply have to have blind faith in a positive future

i thought we needed double figures before getting to liverpool for it to be a decent start, i'd be highly surprised if we achieved that now

you were lamenting the reaction to defeats vs. victories, i was attempting to offer a reason as to why that may be nothing else

I was at them all too and I wouldn't. Some were. We started that Swansea game with Simpson, Williamson, Sammy Ameobi and Shane Ferguson STARTING!! A bench including Tavernier, Amalfitano, Abeid and Bigirimina. It's embarrassing the quality Ashley provided. Aye, so then it was fucking embarrassing then, wasn't it? :lol:

just the nature of football isn't it, are we alone in this? as you may have seen i'm one of the ones trying to be level-headed about saturday, i just think pardew was done as much as anything and don't see it as any worse than any of the other defeats we've had under him, it's just a shame that we looked like we could get some momentum going after villa one thing is for sure, he's been found out at SJP now and he doesn't have an answer...west ham was a poor game all round and fulham didn't come to win or they might well have imo...for some reason pardew has no clue how to break teams down and eventually losing home games badly will catch up with you Again, based on taking only this season into context (as it's all that matters for now), that's yet to be seen. well i don't know how you can discount how bad we were at home last season as 16 of the teams we'll face played in the league last year but anyway yeah sure, guess we'll have to wait you ignored the point about the home defeats though, we've been losing badly for a long time and the 0-6 and 0-3 are unlikely to be forgotten very soon, perhaps this is why there are such reactions to defeats like hull? they're not isolated events

just the nature of football isn't it, are we alone in this? as you may have seen i'm one of the ones trying to be level-headed about saturday, i just think pardew was done as much as anything and don't see it as any worse than any of the other defeats we've had under him, it's just a shame that we looked like we could get some momentum going after villa one thing is for sure, he's been found out at SJP now and he doesn't have an answer...west ham was a poor game all round and fulham didn't come to win or they might well have imo...for some reason pardew has no clue how to break teams down and eventually losing home games badly will catch up with you

Fingers crossed we lose as many games as possible then, eh? What happens after that, by the way? the fuck, i didn't say i wanted us to lose games...i'm just answering gimps question as did many others

i think it'd take a repeat of our position and state of affairs last january, long run of no wins etc. with pardew losing his mind, making terrible decisions and spouting shite to all and sundry he acted last january by spending xx millions, this time he'll act by sacking pardew imho, should circumstances be repeated

not a chance, maybe another liverpool or mackems humbling at home and even then i'm doubful

"For the opening ten minutes we were all over Hull and although the first goal carried something of good fortune about it, our superiority looked obvious as our passing completely out-manouvered Hull and we looked set fair for a decent afternoon. Then Steve Bruce made some tactical changes and from that moment onwards, Pardew had no response, unable to re-think his strategy and thus was completely out-thought by a very, very average manager and a group of players who will likely be in the mix for relegation at the end of the se season. That’s Hull I’m talking about." EXACTLY what i've been saying about the game and it's exactly the reason Pardew should have been sacked last season. Just about every other manager in this division will get the better of him given the same resources at their disposal. Pardew relies on having much better players than the opposition to get results, and even then it's sometimes not enough. Like on Saturday. there was that awful craic after the villa match about playing players in the right positions being all he needed to do...games like hull make you wonder if that's literally all he's capable of

howay man, seriously?

"For the opening ten minutes we were all over Hull and although the first goal carried something of good fortune about it, our superiority looked obvious as our passing completely out-manouvered Hull and we looked set fair for a decent afternoon. Then Steve Bruce made some tactical changes and from that moment onwards, Pardew had no response, unable to re-think his strategy and thus was completely out-thought by a very, very average manager and a group of players who will likely be in the mix for relegation at the end of the se season. That’s Hull I’m talking about." EXACTLY what i've been saying about the game

In my view it's people saying things like we regularly lose at home when winning or even that embarrassing home defeats are frequent occurrences or that we haven't beasted anyone, who is trying to reassure themselves that Pardew is doing a much worse job than in reality. The truth is much more prosaic, we're a dull mid-table team that has peaks and troughs and a couple of players that can give us a smile. Things could get a whole lot worse if we bring another manager as bad or worse than Pardew. But I don't think things can ever get any better as long as Ashley is here. just out of interest do you class going to game 37 of the season in danger of being relegated a trough? Aye. Exactly. Like going into the last game with a chance of champions league being a peak. i always took peaks and troughs to refer to periods within a season, not an entire season myself I thought you meant going into those games themselves. Strange question to ask in that case. you said we're a mid-table team who will have peaks and troughs, then said we should be careful 'cause we might get a worse manager than pardew (the bits i highlighted) the point was that he took us on an entire seasons trough which we only escaped from due to blind luck

It's it not common sense that when you've got 11 players who just can't/won't head the ball you put someone in there that can? no totally agree actually, i like mapou but he's more of a "sweeper" style CB who'll look to read the game and pick the ball off into space using his pace rather than attack the man...at home we should be pressing the forwards with our CB's when under pressure looking to win the ball early and turn possession back to us could have done with that on saturday

In my view it's people saying things like we regularly lose at home when winning or even that embarrassing home defeats are frequent occurrences or that we haven't beasted anyone, who is trying to reassure themselves that Pardew is doing a much worse job than in reality. The truth is much more prosaic, we're a dull mid-table team that has peaks and troughs and a couple of players that can give us a smile. Things could get a whole lot worse if we bring another manager as bad or worse than Pardew. But I don't think things can ever get any better as long as Ashley is here. just out of interest do you class going to game 37 of the season in danger of being relegated a trough? Aye. Exactly. Like going into the last game with a chance of champions league being a peak. i always took peaks and troughs to refer to periods within a season, not an entire season myself

In my view it's people saying things like we regularly lose at home when winning or even that embarrassing home defeats are frequent occurrences or that we haven't beasted anyone, who is trying to reassure themselves that Pardew is doing a much worse job than in reality. The truth is much more prosaic, we're a dull mid-table team that has peaks and troughs and a couple of players that can give us a smile. Things could get a whole lot worse if we bring another manager as bad or worse than Pardew. But I don't think things can ever get any better as long as Ashley is here. just out of interest do you class going to game 37 of the season in danger of being relegated a trough?

what's with the ronaldo and neesy love in?

so the upshot of all this is that almost everyone still thinks he's shit then? some people are just valuing his latest capitulation more than others (such as me)

fucks sake wullie man, you're a quality poster but i honestly don't get how you can't see bruce changed shit up after the first goal...he closed down the areas we were getting joy and his players exploited the massive holes in our formation you make it sound like pardew just ordered them back into formation as soon as the first goal went in, that's not how it happened at all We were considerably less positive with the ball after our goal than before it. Our players stopped trying to beat their man, preferring to turn round and ping it back to players in safer positions, and we stopped getting numbers in the box. I didn't expect anything else, that's how Pardew wants his team to play. you see that as a preference whereas on saturday i saw that hull had closed down the space and we couldn't adapt to that what doesn't make sense to me is that if it was "our gameplan" to shut up shup after going ahead as you've said why didn't remy and hatem drop in instead of basically playing up with cisse? i know pardew is tactically inept but is he bad enough to think in the PL you can defend with 3-4 players not pulling their weight?

we're about to find out like

Absolutely, it comes back to the footballing ethos, that's instilled in a group of players over time. Again (and I keep repeating myself) too much is made of analysing games in isolation, look at the way his team has played over the years he's been here. Lack of movement, rigidity, surrender initiative when in front. They're all old problems. Yep, all stemming from a culture of fear. That's why we never stuff sides. We're full of inhibition. i've always been a massive critic of pardew and would prefer him gone, i just didn't see this on saturday at all...he just got done by an away performance exploiting the holes in his gameplan i'm starting to find it very hard to believe he puts out a team to play the way we did for the first 10-15 minutes and then his "ethos" is to shut down and try to defend...i did last year when rigidity and long balls were our gameplan but to do it now makes no sense whatsoever i just think he's a poor manager trying to manage good players, inevitably he'll get it wrong more than he gets it right, i don't think it's some overarching adherence to being defensive