mrmojorisin75

That he uses the same excuses time and time again when we lose and doesn't fix any of the problems (note the problems are a recurring part of the quotes). He's a negative man who never once takes the blame for any thing. did he take the blame last year when spurs routed us? i seem to remember it being a mix of him getting it wrong and the fans demanding a change or something the only time i recall him admitting his part in things

100% this. It has no bearing on our tactics. Just a nice convenient excuse for Him and seemingly other fans as well let's assume it's true, let's assume they're all fucked from europe going into the derby...what is the one thing you need to do when your players are knackered? that's right keep possession and make the other team work...equates to another pardew fail however you look at it

Quite a lot I would imagine, why wouldn't there be? i mean to be so heavily focused on the other team all the time, can't think of anyone myself fat sam concentrates on how to negate the opposition but even he comes up with an offensive plan of his own to exploit the other teams weaknesses

is there another manager out there like pardiola, with the same outlook on how to approach games? just wondering

B by a fucking mile

i dunno man, i'm one of his biggest critics and i'm not venturing into having a go about the EL like...benfica might well win the thing ffs

don't waste your time

because i say everything went for him and your response is we took some heavy defeats, of course everything didn't go for him or we'd have won the league as i said Right. So you said it, but actually meant what I said in response? what? give it up man It always descends into this with you, like. All I've done is pull you up on something you've said in a post, but now you're acting as if it's obviously not what you meant. then tell me what you're on about, i said in effect he had a lot of luck one season and no luck the next i don't see what you're getting worked up about

i do genuinely wonder if privately the players aren't just just fucking sick of it, as an explanation for how we've become so disorganised...it's not like we have players who naturally fit in the type of game that pardew likes to play, now things are on the up maybe they're just not putting in the effort because they want to actually play football for a living

because i say everything went for him and your response is we took some heavy defeats, of course everything didn't go for him or we'd have won the league as i said Right. So you said it, but actually meant what I said in response? what? give it up man

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised? It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye. Why might it have become unorganised? Buck stops with the manager for that, obviously. The lack of consistency, due injuries etc, in our back five has been a contributing factor though. it wasn't just the back 5 that kept us in it while everyone else powered forward though, we were a very rigid team and well drilled in how to play the system and protect ourselves...could be that in wanting to open up pardew has lost the one thing he was any good at and injuries have stopped him getting back to it, maybe

because i say everything went for him and your response is we took some heavy defeats, of course everything didn't go for him or we'd have won the league as i said

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised? It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye. of course it is, when you don't score a lot of goals you can't afford to concede many simples

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. was being facetious, forgot you're not allowed to be anything but literal on here so yeah, i agree with you in a sense, as i stated myself last season was built on 17 clean sheets (iirc) and we didn't win many games by a large margin, for much of last season we weren't crafting openings and scoring good goals inochi i'm sorry we just weren't, we were solid and tight and well drilled...ba is a striker who thrives as a lone forward, and cisse came in and was amazing at just the right time in short, as has been said again and again, pardew plays a percentage game based on tight margins....last season everything went for him, everything, this season the only thing that's gone for him was the board backing him with players in january, and he's managed to fuck that up too so i dunno man, unless he totally changes his entire managerial style to this point i honestly think i have a pretty good feeling for next season yeah I'd have accepted it as a facetious comment if it didn't carry the tone and message of most of your posts on this subject. No reason to expect that to be any different. Again, I don't agree that we weren't creating many chances. I'd argue that it would be a near impossibility for your strikers to score 30+ goals with a shortage of chances being made for them. Yes, there were some wonder strikes. They happen in every season. But, for the most part, strikers need some form of chance to score goals. The argument that it's a negative for your attacking, creative players to be responsible for your attacking, creative play is one I really struggle with. The bit in bold, again, not for me. We had massive luck with injuries, that can't be argued. However, we suffered a couple of absolute howkings last year, yet we always bounced back and maintained a relative amount of form for the entirety of the campaign. Post match threads would be filled with those happy that 'Pardiola' had learned from his mistakes in the previous games. What I'm getting at is that this season he's had an absolute shitter. At times, it's verged on criminally bad. But, in my opinion, he has shown what he's capable of over the course of a season previously. For that reason alone, there should be some doubt in a prediction that next season will repeat this. While not quite 50/50, I'd say that there is at least a chance that next season could be an improvement. i don't get you at all man, if everything had went for him last year we'd have won the fucking league wouldn't we?

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. was being facetious, forgot you're not allowed to be anything but literal on here so yeah, i agree with you in a sense, as i stated myself last season was built on 17 clean sheets (iirc) and we didn't win many games by a large margin, for much of last season we weren't crafting openings and scoring good goals inochi i'm sorry we just weren't, we were solid and tight and well drilled...ba is a striker who thrives as a lone forward, and cisse came in and was amazing at just the right time in short, as has been said again and again, pardew plays a percentage game based on tight margins....last season everything went for him, everything, this season the only thing that's gone for him was the board backing him with players in january, and he's managed to fuck that up too so i dunno man, unless he totally changes his entire managerial style to this point i honestly think i have a pretty good feeling for next season yeah

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure

We can only assume that the contract was given to him because Ashley has no intention of sacking him except in disastrous circumstances. It's always hard to predict what Ashley will do, but sacking Pardew if we stay up just doesn't fit into the way the club is being run now. i don't see that sacking pardew would deter new managers, you fail you get sacked, that's how it works Nah I don't either, I just think all signs are he won't get sacked. agree, his fail probably hasn't been big enough yet to penetrate dekkas and mikes thick skins....so frustrating to know how next season is going to pan out before a ball is kicked man

We can only assume that the contract was given to him because Ashley has no intention of sacking him except in disastrous circumstances. It's always hard to predict what Ashley will do, but sacking Pardew if we stay up just doesn't fit into the way the club is being run now. i don't see that sacking pardew would deter new managers, you fail you get sacked, that's how it works

not sure turgid is the right word, agree with oldtype that they were well drilled and due to the ba factor, then cisse, then hba it worked on the whole was it not 17 clean sheets last year too? you can't discount that but honestly planning an entire season and gameplan on keeping that amount of clean sheets is fucking madness because rarely do anyone but the very top teams achieve something like that...even now they don't bother trying for the most part i think most people on here thought that it would be a development thing, last season was based on keeping it very tight and nicking goals...as we'd go along we'd pickup better players and the football would develop from there EDIT: i'd have to say i was one of them for a while too, i thought the football was poor for parts last season but when they opened up after the mackems game, west brom (a) etc. i thought that would be the platform going forward as it was so blatantly obvious then that we had good footballers in the team and goals aplenty if we just followed that pattern and built on it :yao:

so be a better football manager then, in summary

firefox using proxy servers...it was weird that it was only that thread though, everything else worked ok

It is possible that they will look for someone better if they bin Pardew, it will depend on how serious they are at wanting to take the club forward. i had that discussion yesterday with someone, do they really need pardew covering for them any more? we're back up, had a very good season, they've implemented a decent enough transfer policy and we have a good squad...as this season and last has proved they can fuck about with wonga and plastering the ground with shit all they want, it doesn't really stop anyone going to the games and pardew's bullshit certainly isn't the major factor in people staying...but very soon he'll be the major factor in people leaving 'cause football is what it's all about we've huffed and puffed in games for a massive part of 2 years and now been humiliated by fucking Sunderland on our turf, enough is enough surely they could just employ a real manager and a new PR person

this. he's the only nufc player who's had me close to tears on numerous occasions, i just cant watch him anymore man to this and LRD's quotes

did they give him a new fucking contract, or was that a rumour?